*Buzzsaw* Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 There's no more a GM can do in the current season, his lineup is where it is, its what the Canucks will either make the playoffs with, or fail. Do you think Jim Bennings deals pre-season, and during the season have improved the Canucks? And how much? How would you score his acquisitions and trades? ---- From my perspective, everything he has done this season has been a positive. - Perhaps the biggest decision was the Willie Desjardins signing as coach... how much of this was Linden and how much was Benning is difficult to say, but certainly I would have to say this was a successful move. WD has taken a team which was in a state of shock and complete lack of confidence at the end of last season, and re-instilled their sense of confidence, brought back their team spirit, and created a locker room which has bonded the veterans and the newcomers. I'm rating the WD hiring at a 90% score - Kesler Trade is a win by my books. Bonino hasn't produced like Kesler, but he has been a decent 2nd line center... and he wasn't the only piece acquired, Sbisa has been an overall plus, adding toughness to our defense and improving as the season went on. And we have McCann in our prospects pool. I'm rating the Kesler trade at 85% score - Miller signing is also a win. Miller has a 28-15-1 record, he stabilized the Canucks early with some big wins, allowed them to regain their swagger, gave them back their confidence. He has also allowed Eddie Lack to progress in a normal learning curve, instead of being thrown to the wolves like last year. Yes he is injured now, but that is no reflection on Benning. I'm rating the Miller acquisition at 85% score - Vrbata signing is the single best free agent forward signing of the year. Dollar for dollar, Vrbata has delivered, he has given this team a bonifide star to balance the loss of Kesler... in fact, I'd say he is a better overall player than Kesler. Vrbata makes the rest of the league worry about something other than shutting down the Sedins, and gives the Canucks a much needed 2nd line threat. At this point, he is the team's MVP by my estimation. I'm rating the Vrbata signing at 100% score - I am going to group the remaining of Benning's smaller deals together, by that I mean give him a combined rating for Dorsett, Vey, McMillan, etc. I would say all these less expensive acquisitions have been a general success... especially Dorsett. He gave the Canucks a much needed edge, especially in the early part of the season, and allowed the Sedins and other finesse players some more room. Vey is a overall positive addition, he has his weak nights, but for a rookie, he is putting up decent numbers. McMillan is a inexpensive fill-in who has done what was expected. None of these players have fallen on their faces. I even give Benning a nod for bringing Kenins at the start of the season from Europe over to Utica, and giving him a chance to prove what his ability is. Benning was not responsible for the original signing, that was Gillis's work. I'm rating Benning's smaller signings at a 75% score - What Benning has not done. I am also going to give him a rating for the players who had bad seasons last year, but who he has chosen to not move, and instead to hold onto. I'm talking about Edler, Burrows, Hansen, Lack, Kassian, etc. I think Benning made the correct decision for all these players. He could have panicked as some members of this board have, and unloaded these players at bargain basement prices. Instead he held onto them, and allowed WD to rebuild their confidence, and let them know they were valued within the organization. I'm rating Benning's 'no trade' decisions at an 85% score I could put up a rating for his draft choices...but we really don't know at this point...will need to wait till the future to tell us how his picks work out. ----- So I am taking the 6 catagories, adding the total score, and dividing by 6... my score for Benning's year as GM is 86.6%.... I am rounding it to 85%. What's your score for Benning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermanbieksa Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 He's made a couple good deals and some great signings. As you said it's difficult to say who had the most influent when choosing WD but i guess he had some say in it, and he's been great as well. The only move that is questionable at this point is 2nd for Vey, but it wouldn't surprise me if he comes back next season and pots 15g + and 45 points. And other moves like 2nd for Baertschi(SP?), Forsling for Clendening is impossible to judge at the moment but they could turn out great as well. Overall I'm very happy with the work he's done. rated him 85% but if we make the playoffs it would increase to 90%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 It's hard to say. I think a big part of the reason we played so poorly last year was because of Torts. If we could compare last years team with a competent coach vs this years team it would show how much we've improved that much more clearly. But then again the Sedins have improved, Edler has improved, Lack has improved, Horvat is playing etc etc but none of that is directly on Benning. He's brought in some terrific pieces (Dorsett, Bonino, Sbisa, McCann, Baertschi etc) and didn't drag out the Kesler trade (he'd probably still be a distraction on the Canucks if MG was at the helm). He's made this team competitive again without selling the farm and he's made us younger. I think it's too early to tell though. Give it a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorvat Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 WD hiring: 100% best coach available IMHO Kesler Trade: 90% Kesler is the reason he is not getting 100%(only giving a 1 team list), also feel we should have gotten their top 1st rounder instead. (I wonder if we still would have picked McCann? Lol) Miller signing: 90% It would be 100% if not for the Cap hit. I feel we could have got him cheaper. Especially with him wanting to be close to his wife. Its more about respecting Miller IMO. Giving him what seems fair, not trying to talk him down as much as possible. While using his personal life situation as a bargaining chip. Which i respect. But thats the reason I am only giving a 90% Vrbata signing: 100% At the time i would give it a 90% due to faliure of getting Iginla. But Vrbata has proven me wrong. Elite scoring and playmaking ability. Smaller signings/trades/etc: 85% McMillan- dont like the claim Vey- great prospect, but cant see him around in 2-3 years Dorsett- great player, brings a lot of energy to the team Clendenning- great move, really helped us when we were facing a ton of injuries. No trade decicions: 100% All of: Lack Kassian Edler Hansen Burrows Are playing great this year. Everyone of them bounced back. No reason to deduct anything from this because we do not know what we would have gotten in return. And none of these players are playing poorly, hence my 100% score. Benning grade: 95%? (Never did the math) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Its too early to tell right now but if Miller's garbage contract causes us to lose Lack, then Benning deserves an F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Its too early to tell right now but if Miller's garbage contract causes us to lose Lack, then Benning deserves an F. Lack hadn't proven that he was a capable starter prior to this season. If Lack fell right on his face like last season, you woulda been screaming for Benning's head for not giving the team a proper goaltender. Hindsight is 20/20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorvat Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Mike gillis report card Good transactions: Torres 1yr 1M: 90% Ehroff trade: 100% Kesler contract: 100% Tanev contract: 95% Hamhuis signing: 80% (Hamhuis just wanted to play in BC) Glass 1yr 625k: 90% Schneider trade: 95% (now) Higgins trade: 95% Lappiere trade: 90% Weiss claim: 80% Bad transactions: Traded away Bernier, Grabner, 2010 1st for Ballard and Oreskovich: 0% Luongo contract 12yr 64M: 60% Bieksa NTC: 65% Ehroff trade: 20% Booth trade: 50% Hodgson trade: 45% Garrison signing: 70% Burrows NTC: 45% (NTC+big cap hit) Derek roy trade: 45% AV firing (not tortorella hiring): 0% Schnieder trade: 50% (at the time of the trade) Luongo trade: 0% Good draft picks: Hodgson Schroeder Jensen Corrado Gaunce Hutton Horvat Shinkaruk Cassels Subban When you consider what other teams have gotten through the drafts this is a poor set of prospect. Horvat is the only one proving to be a great player, Hodgson would have, head he not been traded to Buffalo. Since then he had one good season and has since played below average. Draft score: 65% (his last draft year 85-90%) Overall grade: someone want to do the math? Jim Benning report card Good transactions: Kesler trade: 90% WD signing: 100% Dorsett signing: 95% Garrison for vey: 80% Clendenning trade: 85% Miller signing: 90% Vrbata signing: 100% Baertschi trade: 95% Bad transactions: McMillan claim: 65% Good draft picks: Virtanen McCann Demko Meybe's: Tryamkin Forsling Draft score: 95% Overall grade: want to do the math? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Mike Gillis report card Good transactions: Torres 1yr 1M: 90% Ehroff trade: 100% Kesler contract: 100% Tanev contract: 95% Hamhuis signing: 80% (Hamhuis just wanted to play in BC) Glass 1yr 625k: 90% Schneider trade: 95% (now) Higgins trade: 95% Lappiere trade: 90% Weiss claim: 80% Bad transactions: Traded away Bernier, Grabner, 2010 1st for Ballard and Oreskovich: 0% Luongo contract 12yr 64M: 60% Bieksa NTC: 65% Ehroff trade: 20% Booth trade: 50% Hodgson trade: 45% Garrison signing: 70% Burrows NTC: 45% (NTC+big cap hit) Derek roy trade: 45% AV firing (not tortorella hiring): 0% Schnieder trade: 50% (at the time of the trade) Luongo trade: 0% Good draft picks: Hodgson Schroeder Jensen Corrado Gaunce Hutton Horvat Shinkaruk Cassels Subban When you consider what other teams have gotten through the drafts this is a poor set of prospect. Horvat is the only one proving to be a great player, Hodgson would have, head he not been traded to Buffalo. Since then he had one good season and has since played below average. Draft score: 65% (his last draft year 85-90%) Overall grade: someone want to do the math? Kind of hard to slam him for Hoff when Hoff wanted more money. Considering Hoff also is horrible in his own zone but makes up for it on the PP, that would make you be concerned about him. CDC over estimates Hoff in a huge way. His problem is he let Hoff go without getting a proper replacement. Hindsight is 20/20, but we should have drafted Karlsson instead of Hodgson, and Johansson in 2009. We would have had a solid centre and pmd and not had to trade for Ballard, and given up a first. We would have had two low maintenance players making our roster better. But thats the benefit of hindsight. I give Benning an A to be honest. Most of his moves have been either excellent, or at least good. We have the deepest prospect pool I have ever known of the Canucks. We don't have plugs to fill in holes but actually decent players. In fact the only mis-steps are MacMillan (I really don't see why we plucked him off waivers, but then again he cost us nothing), and Vey. I'm willing to cut Vey some slack. If he packs on some muscle in the offseason, and continues learning, he might be a good top 9 player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamth Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 So all in ALL if we mixed Gillis and Bennings - Canucks would be 100% LOL LINE 1- SEDINS + KAS line 2 - Higgins , Shawn , Verbata line 3 - Horvat , Kesler , Richardson/ Fox line 4- Dorsett, Hensen , Kenins Def- Christian, Beiska Def - Edler , Tanev Def - Beiga/ Clendening + Weber ...... DREAM TEAM lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 95%, because I can't really think of much he's done wrong. Bonino hasn't quite lived up to expectations, but aside from that, everything has been as expected or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 So all in ALL if we mixed Gillis and Bennings - Canucks would be 100% LOL LINE 1- SEDINS + KAS line 2 - Higgins , Shawn , Verbata line 3 - Horvat , Kesler , Richardson/ Fox line 4- Dorsett, Hensen , Kenins Def- Christian, Beiska Def - Edler , Tanev Def - Beiga/ Clendening + Weber ...... DREAM TEAM lolfox? Like dane fox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Good draft picks: Hodgson Schroeder Jensen Corrado Gaunce Hutton Horvat Shinkaruk Cassels SubbanWhen you consider what other teams have gotten through the drafts this is a poor set of prospect. Horvat is the only one proving to be a great player, Hodgson would have, head he not been traded to Buffalo. Since then he had one good season and has since played below average. Draft score: 65% (his last draft year 85-90%) What other teams? The ones picking in the top 10 every year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Jane Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Really though Benning has Linden. Gillis was on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorvat Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 What other teams? The ones picking in the top 10 every year? Look at the drafts. All the players we missed out on, the last 2 drafts have been our strongest in a while. Before that we were not that great at drafting. Other than Horvat and Hodgson their 1st rounders havent been strong. Gaunce, Shinkaruk, and Jensen will most likely play in the NHL, but not a top end talent you seek for in the 1st round. Outside of the 1st round we have only hit a few that will hopefully make the NHL. Cassels (could be a 5th round steal), Hutton, Subban, maybe a couple more. Point is none have really high ceilings. IMO we have drafted very poorly under Gillis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Mike gillis report card Good transactions: Torres 1yr 1M: 90% Ehroff trade: 100% Kesler contract: 100% Tanev contract: 95% Hamhuis signing: 80% (Hamhuis just wanted to play in BC) Glass 1yr 625k: 90% Schneider trade: 95% (now) Higgins trade: 95% Lappiere trade: 90% Weiss claim: 80% Bad transactions: Traded away Bernier, Grabner, 2010 1st for Ballard and Oreskovich: 0% Luongo contract 12yr 64M: 60% Bieksa NTC: 65% Ehroff trade: 20% Booth trade: 50% Hodgson trade: 45% Garrison signing: 70% Burrows NTC: 45% (NTC+big cap hit) Derek roy trade: 45% AV firing (not tortorella hiring): 0% Schnieder trade: 50% (at the time of the trade) Luongo trade: 0% Good draft picks: Hodgson Schroeder Jensen Corrado Gaunce Hutton Horvat Shinkaruk Cassels Subban When you consider what other teams have gotten through the drafts this is a poor set of prospect. Horvat is the only one proving to be a great player, Hodgson would have, head he not been traded to Buffalo. Since then he had one good season and has since played below average. Draft score: 65% (his last draft year 85-90%) Overall grade: someone want to do the math? Jim Benning report card Good transactions: Kesler trade: 90% WD signing: 100% Dorsett signing: 95% Garrison for vey: 80% Clendenning trade: 85% Miller signing: 90% Vrbata signing: 100% Baertschi trade: 95% Bad transactions: McMillan claim: 65% Good draft picks: Virtanen McCann Demko Meybe's: Tryamkin Forsling Draft score: 95% Overall grade: want to do the math? Maybe just a bit early to compare MG and JB, bearing in mind Gillis is over a six year period, and Benning is only 10 months. However JB found us a goal scorer (tick), Got a veteran goal keeper, until lack showed he can be a no.1 (tick), Got something for Kesler, Which could turn into gold, although his hands were tied...(Tick) Got a coach, who got most of the old guards going again (tick) Has started the youth movement (tick) Drafted decent (an eye towards size in the backend) (tick) And mostly having the balls not to join the mass hysteria shown on CDC, to clear all decks of everyone bar the ticket office personal (actually including the ticket office personal). He may yet get rid of some of the old guard in the summer, but the value will definitely be more favourable now than during last summer (tick) All in all good start to his tenure. Long may it continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassetgreg Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Trading away Garrison for a 2nd still kind of ticks me off McMillan...meh I am looking forward to see how the Utica signings/trades turn out for example is Kenins the next Hansen? Is Baertschi the next Vrbata? and what about that big D man Pedan? It seems like Jensen is a bust...is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 only haven't liked the Vey deal, but at the time we had no depth so I see what he was trying to do. He was PPG in the AHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Would've been a lot easier just giving letter grading options. Practically gave every number % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Hmmm tough to put a percentage on it but I voted 85% Won the lui and Bonino trade Great signings in Miller and Vrbata Good trades for Pedan, Vey and Sven Hired a great coach along with Trevor. Won 2015 Stanley Cup Bad move letting Santorelli walk Bad move not acquiring anyone at the deadline as this team is clearly a cup contender I'm very happy with him so far. He should stop saying real good and real well though. It's getting out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 It's too early to condemn him which means it's also too early to praise him. He's done a decent job with what he has but nothing that blows you away on trades though the Vrbata signing was solid gold. The team underachieved last year and isn't much better this year. Also could lose some UFA's for nothing and that is an odd move for a team that's not a contender If we make the playoffs then that'll be the test. Either the team he started with doing something or what he does in the offseason if they lay an egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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