lmm Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Again, not sure how to say this more simply. The Sedins do not kill penalties. There are 24 other games this year where they have had 16-17 mins of ice time. This is the new normal for the twins. However, the new normal is actually the old normal as the Sedins won a couple of scoring races playing less and scoring more. not quite sure why you sound so mad about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I wouldn't mind resting Bieksa,Hamhuis,Dorsett and The sedins once we are for sure in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I wouldn't mind resting Bieksa,Hamhuis,Dorsett and The sedins once we are for sure in I think Hamhuis really needs a rest - probably more than anyone. He played huge minutes throughout that stretch when the team was so short on the back end that he had more experience than the rest of the blueline combined. He played some great hockey through that stretch to keep the team in the race - which is what pisses me off about all the hating he is taking at this point. Not only does he look a little gassed, but he also got his bell rung pretty good in that bout with Vorachek. To me, he hasn't quite looked himself of late, but I suspect he's pushing through warrior-style because this team cannot afford a single lapse at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_Canuck Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I think Hamhuis really needs a rest - probably more than anyone. He played huge minutes throughout that stretch when the team was so short on the back end that he had more experience than the rest of the blueline combined. He played some great hockey through that stretch to keep the team in the race - which is what pisses me off about all the hating he is taking at this point. Not only does he look a little gassed, but he also got his bell rung pretty good in that bout with Vorachek. To me, he hasn't quite looked himself of late, but I suspect he's pushing through warrior-style because this team cannot afford a single lapse at this point. Yeah, I wouldn't mind letting Stanton replace hamhuis for a game or two. Move Sbisa with weber and Stanton with Bieksa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsey Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Again, not sure how to say this more simply. The Sedins do not kill penalties. There are 24 other games this year where they have had 16-17 mins of ice time. This is the new normal for the twins. Not to mention we have 4 lines that can actually play. When you have that there will be less time for the star players. Sedins had to play 20-25+ mins last year, because that's all we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soshified Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I think Hamhuis really needs a rest - probably more than anyone. He played huge minutes throughout that stretch when the team was so short on the back end that he had more experience than the rest of the blueline combined. He played some great hockey through that stretch to keep the team in the race - which is what pisses me off about all the hating he is taking at this point. Not only does he look a little gassed, but he also got his bell rung pretty good in that bout with Vorachek. To me, he hasn't quite looked himself of late, but I suspect he's pushing through warrior-style because this team cannot afford a single lapse at this point. Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if he has surgery in the off season. Seems to me his groin is still hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 WD is using Bo's line more and more to shut down other team's top lines. This will result in the Sedins having less ice time though they obviously do get head to head time with those lines as well.WD is using his resources very masterfully. Hot lines get more ice time on any given night...rolls all four as much as possible...willing to put bottom 6 guys out in key situations and late in games. He is building a team where everyone contributes and feels important in their role. YOu can see how the guys are starting to really back each other and pull hard for each other.Sedins, I am sure, are absolutely fine with being a key part of a cohesive team versus the guys expected to carry the entire load every night while other guys kill the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I agree, he has pulled their ice time. He see's they have slowed somewhat in the last few games.They don't have the drive to the pucks and they are the only ones that have played all games this year. It also seems Henrik is playing hurt right now and just trying to play through it as he always does. Good player read by one of the Jack Adams candidates with his 4 rolling lines. Go Canucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 The fact Hank had his first injury in 10 years under torts pretty much summed up last season. Probably just coincidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Probably just coincidence Lol, says the guy who's pic, sig and name are all about Torts (even though you're probably correct). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 It was plain to see from day one that WD was balancing icetime on all 4 lines far better than Torts. It was clear to after 20 games that Torts was gonna ride the Sedins until they gave out. Under the guise that he wasn't comfortable playing the other 3 lines as a new coach he was "learning their tendencies". The entire team is far better off under WD not saying he's the best coach we have ever had but he is certainly a huge improvement on Torts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Lol, says the guy who's pic, sig and name are all about Torts (even though you're probably correct). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I've never thought of reducing a player's ice time by a minute or so as really resting him. I see letting a regular roster player spend an entire game in the press box as a healthy scratch as resting him. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Again, not sure how to say this more simply. The Sedins do not kill penalties. There are 24 other games this year where they have had 16-17 mins of ice time. This is the new normal for the twins. Yes, they do. The drop in their ice time this year is only about 10 seconds per game due to penalty kill, the rest of the drop being a drop in even strength and power play time. They don't kill penalties a lot, averaging less than a minute per game, but they have had penalty kill time throughout the season. After 75 games Henrik had 60:08 of pk time and Daniel 54:07. Bonino leads Canuck forwards in pk time with 117:25 followed by Higgins 115:10, Hansen 92:27, Matthias 87:25, Richardson 82:32, McMillan 79:01,, Burrows 77:02. It will be noted the difference in pk time between Bonino and Henrik is 47:17 after 75 games, or about 47 seconds a game. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201415&sit=4v5&type=individual&teamid=29&pos=skaters&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC Last year Henrik totalled 67:57 in 70 games, Daniel 67:45 in 73 games, so there's been a small drop in pk time. For Henrik he's gone from 58 seconds per game last season to 48 seconds, a drop of 10 seconds a game. Henrik's 5 on 5 ice time averaged 14:50 per game last season, 13:33 this season. The twins total time on the power play is also less per game this year. So, the drop in total ice time is related almost not at all to penalty kill time, which accounts for about 10 seconds per game lower ice time this season. It is mostly attributable to even strength ice time. As for the main part of the thread, WD rolling 4 lines works out to be about the same thing as resting the top players more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 I think Hamhuis really needs a rest - probably more than anyone. He played huge minutes throughout that stretch when the team was so short on the back end that he had more experience than the rest of the blueline combined. He played some great hockey through that stretch to keep the team in the race - which is what pisses me off about all the hating he is taking at this point. Not only does he look a little gassed, but he also got his bell rung pretty good in that bout with Vorachek. To me, he hasn't quite looked himself of late, but I suspect he's pushing through warrior-style because this team cannot afford a single lapse at this point. Totally agree... if there is any way to give him a game off before the playoffs, should be done. His play is suffering, he was scating much better during the period when Bieksa, Edler and Tanev were hurt, but it was just too much ice time for him, I think he is burned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I wonder what Willie will do once/if we've clinched? Twins will probably not sit out games, but I could see him just giving them 10 easy minutes of ice time to keep them fresh and involved. A good chunk of that would probably be on the PP, almost as in-game practice for the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyHatnDart Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'm really hoping that come the LA game we've already clinched, and that we can definitely sit some vets for that game. If we're in and they're out, that's the kind of team that would run our guys for the sheer joy of it. Also, trying to find the latest on Miller? Checked the ice chips thread and couldn't find the latest... Ideally, having him start 2-3 of the final games would be perfect to get him into shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panelguy Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 With 4 good lines why play any line too much . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Duck Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure that if the third and fourth lines are more trustworthy (than last year) and getting more icetime because of it, the minutes have to come from somewhere. (Though, for the amount of times we've sent out 6 or 7 skaters at once this year, that's got to be at least another 30 seconds ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Just goes to show depth is just as important as your first line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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