ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 In the summer of 2012, the Nashville predators were left with a choice, Do they match? The Philadelphia Flyers signed RFA Shae Weber to a ridiculous offer worth 100 million over 14 years. The predators had 7 days to decide whether they accept the offer or to opt out and receive compensation. If the Predators decided to not to match, they would have received a package of four first-round draft picks from the Flyers. In the end the predators decided to match the offer and retain their captain. Now 3 years later we can start to look back and discuss, so far that was the right choice. Remember at the time the Predators just finished 4 in the western conference and seemed to be headed in the right direction. It was well known that during that summer the Predators were going to lose either Suter or Weber as they couldn’t afford to sign both. Also you can't really compare looking at the where the flyer ended up drafted as the Flyers likely would have been a better team had Weber been on their roster. But for argument sake let’s just look at a few key names that the Predators could have got as part of the compensation. Nashville also could have used the extra 1st round picks as an additional trade pieces in other deals. Lots to consider. 2013 Flyers ended up drafting Morin 11th Overall Other options Domi, Morrissey, Lazar, Zadorov, Rychel, Mantha, Shinkaruk 2014 Flyers ended up drafting Sanheim 17th overall Other options Fabbri, Kapanen, Pastrnak, McCann, Ho-Sang, Kempe 2015 Flyers are set to draft 7th overall Options Provorov, Barzal, Zacha, Crouse 2016 ??? ??? Did Nashville make the right choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 and with Weber philly would be doing much better. Much lower picks Either way, the right matching was the right call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Yah from a business standpoint they couldn`t let Weber walk, he was/is the face of the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Preds definitely made the correct decision to match no question in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 and with Weber philly would be doing much better. Much lower picks Either way, the right matching was the right call this weber puts people in the seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Uhmm Shea Weber would have made Flyers into a beast. Those picks would be in the 20+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Yes they did. No player deserves the money they were forced to pay, but franchise d-men don't grow on trees. Besides all the obvious attributes he brings to the table (ooooh that shot!), the not so obvious was the message his signing sent to the rest of the players in the organization, the fans, to the rest of the league and to future free agents. The message being that the we are all in and serious about competing for a Cup. Absolutely the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 They made the right choice, but at a massive cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Another question we'd have to ask is would Philly be better or worse with Weber, and what kind of cap would they be at. Too many variables, but it's say to say they'd be better and those picks likely wouldn't be great. Matching was probably the correct call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Ha, the answer is yes. now they have possibly the BEST D core in the entire league and uber stud Seth frigging Jones. Added that they STILL have a stable of studs on the blue line ready to walk in to the big club in the near future So if you think about it. Having Weber makes them more competitive, allows them to sell off D men who always command a premium and within a season or two will be able to trade Seth Jones for...well, hell anyone in the league not named McDavid, MacKinnon, Crosby Stamkos or Tavares and a 1st round pick. Ya Nashville made the right choice. It just cost them cash to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Id take Weber over 4 of those scrubs any day of the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Like all the good feedback. My opinion on the matter is It’s easy to say they did right or wrong using the hindsight we know know in an ideal world NSH would have used that cap to resign Suter, they would have been able to afford to let Weber walk, still have a back end of Suter, Josi, Jones, Ellis and an additional 4 first round pick on top. Too many variables still come into play to really make a call on it. Ok same question for the AV’s, did they make the right choice by resigning O’Reilly? If you remember flames still wouldn’t have ended up getting O’Reilly since he would have had to clear waivers, so the flames draft picks (Bennett) and 3rd round pick (Hickey), would have been the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 In the summer of 2012, the Nashville predators were left with a choice, Do they match? The Philadelphia Flyers signed RFA Shae Weber to a ridiculous offer worth 100 million over 14 years. The predators had 7 days to decide whether they accept the offer or to opt out and receive compensation. If the Predators decided to not to match, they would have received a package of four first-round draft picks from the Flyers. In the end the predators decided to match the offer and retain their captain. Now 3 years later we can start to look back and discuss, so far that was the right choice. Remember at the time the Predators just finished 4 in the western conference and seemed to be headed in the right direction. It was well known that during that summer the Predators were going to lose either Suter or Weber as they couldn’t afford to sign both. Also you can really compare looking at the where the flyer ended up drafted as the Flyers likely would have been a better team had Weber been on their roster. But for argument sake let’s just look at a few key names that the Predators could have got as part of the compensation. Nashville also could have used the extra 1st round picks as an additional trade pieces in other deals. Lots to consider. 2013 Flyers ended up drafting Morin 11th Overall Other options Domi, Morrissey, Lazar, Zadorov, Rychel, Mantha, Shinkaruk 2014 Flyers ended up drafting Sanheim 17th overall Other options Fabbri, Kapanen, Pastrnak, McCann, Ho-Sang, Kempe 2015 Flyers are set to draft 7th overall Options Provorov, Barzal, Zacha, Crouse 2016 ??? ??? Did Nashville make the right choice? No you are wrong Nashville would not have received 4 first round picks. The contract was structured so that it would only cost the Philly 2 first round picks and a 2nd and 3rd whatever it was. You're also leaving out the fact that with Weber Philly is a playoff team so you can bet those first round picks would be even more worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Matching was the correct choice. The BIG mistake they made was letting Suter walk as UFA. Had they moved him at the beginning of the year for a skilled young forward that they could retain longer than the year, they would have been much better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 In hindsight, no, Weber should've been sold off, thereby POTENTIALLY being able to keep Suter. Yes, he was the "face of the franchise"; yet at the same time, you have FOUR first round picks, even at 20+. There are/were some beasts of players that have been picked (i.e. Mantha). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magician Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Like all the good feedback. My opinion on the matter is It’s easy to say they did right or wrong using the hindsight we know know in an ideal world NSH would have used that cap to resign Suter, they would have been able to afford to let Weber walk, still have a back end of Suter, Josi, Jones, Ellis and an additional 4 first round pick on top. Too many variables still come into play to really make a call on it. Ok same question for the AV’s, did they make the right choice by resigning O’Reilly? If you remember flames still wouldn’t have ended up getting O’Reilly since he would have had to clear waivers, so the flames draft picks (Bennett) and 3rd round pick (Hickey), would have been the same. In hindsight, no, Weber should've been sold off, thereby POTENTIALLY being able to keep Suter. Yes, he was the "face of the franchise"; yet at the same time, you have FOUR first round picks, even at 20+. There are/were some beasts of players that have been picked (i.e. Mantha). If they would have been able to keep Suter then keeping Weber was the wrong choice imo. Definitely all the draft picks + cap + Suter > Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2xtreme Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Like all the good feedback. My opinion on the matter is It’s easy to say they did right or wrong using the hindsight we know know in an ideal world NSH would have used that cap to resign Suter, they would have been able to afford to let Weber walk, still have a back end of Suter, Josi, Jones, Ellis and an additional 4 first round pick on top. Too many variables still come into play to really make a call on it. Ok same question for the AV’s, did they make the right choice by resigning O’Reilly? If you remember flames still wouldn’t have ended up getting O’Reilly since he would have had to clear waivers, so the flames draft picks (Bennett) and 3rd round pick (Hickey), would have been the same. This is incorrect. Shea Weber's offer sheet came on July 19th of 2012, 2 weeks after Suter had already left. Ryan Suter signed in Minnesota because that's where he wanted to be, not because Nashville couldn't afford him. The Predators put forward a very lucrative offer. Nashville made the right call. Not just for the team on the ice, but for their market. Losing both their star defencemen in a 2 week span when they didn't have much else to market would have been catastrophic for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Had Poile muffed up subsequent moves, you'd have an engaging question here. I even pondered the wisdom of Rinne at 7 mill x7(at the time). But then he picked McPhee's pocket for Forsberg. Also signed Josi & Ellis to great deals. Then factor in Jones falling down to their spot. Now they should deal a D, to shore up their lack of O. Biggest issue is their budget. If they're willing to spend near the cap, they could be a perennial PO competitor. Overall, Poile's been pretty solid as a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Yes. %100 yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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