My employer is requiring employees to arrive early...without pay [SOLVED]

[Mike Vanderhoek]

I am sorry but there are far more people I see on a daily basis who don't appreciate that they have a full time job and yes this tends to be younger people. I am talking about complaining about scheduling, hours ( have too many ), have to work a weekend, and so on.

Fact is it is a struggle for a lot of people to obtain/earn and maintain solid full time employment and yet so many ARE entitled and feel their employers and managers should accomodate their schedules, personal lives and so on.

Being asked to be at work 15 minutes earlier than your shift start time is not the worst thing that could happen I believe OP said someone quit over this ? I mean really ?

Take pride in your work, push the envelope of what's asked, showing you are motivated and eager to learn and move on or increase responsibility, it seems in my experience asking one to do this means wait! they should get that pay increase first lol.

[Hugor Hill]

I am sorry but there are far more people I see on a daily basis who don't appreciate that they have a full time job and yes this tends to be younger people. I am talking about complaining about scheduling, hours ( have too many ), have to work a weekend, and so on.

Fact is it is a struggle for a lot of people to obtain/earn and maintain solid full time employment and yet so many ARE entitled and feel their employers and managers should accomodate their schedules, personal lives and so on.

Being asked to be at work 15 minutes earlier than your shift start time is not the worst thing that could happen I believe OP said someone quit over this ? I mean really ?

Take pride in your work, push the envelope of what's asked, showing you are motivated and eager to learn and move on or increase responsibility, it seems in my experience asking one to do this means wait! they should get that pay increase first lol.

These jobs also tend to be crappy, low end, dead end, part time, minimum wage jobs. Jobs that really no one could put too much pride in.

Give the OP a decent $45,000 full time job and I'm sure he will show up 15 mins early.

[Buddhas Hand]

you are not a special snowflake..........almost all generations go through this. talk to your grandfather (or great grandfather) about living through the depression and then lay your sob story on him and see how he feels about that. Your generation is no worse off than mine........the only ones who had it pretty easy are the boomers.

Yeah , loved growing up thinking our species was gonna blow itselves to pieces. Just before my time but the bay of pigs was a highlight.

Still believe it is a minor miralce we have not blown ourselve up but we seem content to be the victim of our own design in a more painful , slower manner.

Gotta agree with the rest of your post.

[Heretic]

Don't kid ourselves. Every generation is a 'Me' generation.

The previous generations just didn't have to fight for it as much,

No, previous generations had to "work" for it.

I agree there's a little "me" in every generation - but this one has a sense of entitlement to go along with it.

Then again, maybe this narcissism and individualism is a good thing for society.

[Hugor Hill]

No, previous generations had to "work" for it.

I agree there's a little "me" in every generation - but this one has a sense of entitlement to go along with it.

Then again, maybe this narcissism and individualism is a good thing for society.

Compare youth unemployment rates then and now and you might think differently. Contrast those figures against education attainments then and now and I'm sure even you will agree which generation had it harder.

Post WW2, any university degree will get you a management job, for life.

Not any more. I know MBA's who can't get a worthy job.

Things have changed.

And no I'm not talking about education as indicator of income level. I'm simply stating a simple economic reality: lack of jobs.

[Heretic]

Compare youth unemployment rates then and now and you might think differently. Contrast those figures against education attainments then and now and I'm sure even you will agree which generation had it harder.

Post WW2, any university degree will get you a management job, for life.

Not any more. I know MBA's who can't get a worthy job.

Things have changed.

And no I'm not talking about education as indicator of income level. I'm simply stating a simple economic reality: lack of jobs.

C'mon man.

When I was young I used to have to get up an hour before I went to sleep and do my chores.

In all seriousness, it's really the parents fault for coddling/protecting too much.

My generation: We had chores to do every day - and if we didn't do a good job we risked punishment - and not "no computer for you for an hour" kind. If we failed at anything it was "try harder next time"

Today's: What's a chore? Mom - my laundry basket's full. Aww dad, do I have to cut the grass today? Why do I have to clean my room - your friends don't go in it. If they fail, it's the teacher's fault or someone else - can't possibly be the kids fault.

[Hugor Hill]

C'mon man.

When I was young I used to have to get up an hour before I went to sleep and do my chores.

In all seriousness, it's really the parents fault for coddling/protecting too much.

My generation: We had chores to do every day - and if we didn't do a good job we risked punishment - and not "no computer for you for an hour" kind. If we failed at anything it was "try harder next time"

Today's: What's a chore? Mom - my laundry basket's full. Aww dad, do I have to cut the grass today? Why do I have to clean my room - your friends don't go in it. If they fail, it's the teacher's fault or someone else - can't possibly be the kids fault.

All anecdotal. And has nothing to do with the job market.

How DID you change the subject so dramatically?

[Lockout Casualty]

C'mon man.

When I was young I used to have to get up an hour before I went to sleep and do my chores.

In all seriousness, it's really the parents fault for coddling/protecting too much.

My generation: We had chores to do every day - and if we didn't do a good job we risked punishment - and not "no computer for you for an hour" kind. If we failed at anything it was "try harder next time"

Today's: What's a chore? Mom - my laundry basket's full. Aww dad, do I have to cut the grass today? Why do I have to clean my room - your friends don't go in it. If they fail, it's the teacher's fault or someone else - can't possibly be the kids fault.

You watch too much TV.

[Heretic]

All anecdotal. And has nothing to do with the job market.

When I said "work" I didn't mean just employment.

I was talking about chores, school and to some degree, jobs.

[Hugor Hill]

When I said "work" I didn't mean just employment.

I was talking about chores, school and to some degree, jobs.

We are talking about jobs. Not household chores. Attitude of one is not indicative of attitude towards the other.

And yes you watch too much TV.

[inane]

You keep bringing up courtesy. How is that relevant at all?

[Buddhas Hand]

No, previous generations had to "work" for it.

I agree there's a little "me" in every generation - but this one has a sense of entitlement to go along with it.

Then again, maybe this narcissism and individualism is a good thing for society.

https://youtu.be/QvpzonowQ58?t=31

Long hairs and skinheads have ruined me game

remember the day when we all looked the same

that fella called ringo and his mates are the blame

but i guess I am wasting my breath on you sonny

young people these days don't have the pride

Grooming and manners have taken a slide

Well the world to the old man had grown a bit strange

so i bought a few tally-ho and tipped him the change

[Hugor Hill]

https://youtu.be/QvpzonowQ58?t=31

Long hairs and skinheads have ruined me game

remember the day when we all looked the same

that fella called ringo and his mates are the blame

but i guess I am wasting my breath on you sonny

young people these days don't have the pride

Grooming and manners have taken a slide

Well the world to the old man had grown a bit strange

so i bought a few tally-ho and tipped him the change

LOL!! The Woodstock generation was a hard working bunch huh?

LOL!!!

[Baka]

Imma just jump in late...

What is so bad about valuing your own life and time?

Why should anyone be obligated to do mandatory favors for a boss and/or business without compensation?

If anything this sounds like the company and boss is all about "me me me." If people really need to be in 15 minutes before open then move the opening of the business back 15 minutes or offer all or some employees a few extra dollars to come in early.

The only time I would see the business being validated in this is if it is a really good job that is paying the employees so well this is a minor favor to ask but given people are quitting over this I doubt this is a doctors job where they are asking the doctor to please show up 15 minutes early before performing a C section.

This just sounds like a low end job trying to milk all it can from the workers.

[Buddhas Hand]

LOL!! The Woodstock generation was a hard working bunch huh?

LOL!!!

Cannot wait for my sons teen-age angst

[Industrious1]

As long as you are within the rules you can pretty much do whatever you want, although you won't win many favors with the higher ups if you scrimp and scrape for every minute (especially if you do tend to be late).

The facts of the matter are that the bosses will tend to notice an employee who busts his ass and shows up on time (or early) over the guy that complains about having to do a bit extra to help the crew. Guess who gets that raise? Guess who gets that paid time off when they need it?

15 minutes early has been pretty much the standard for any job I've ever had where I actually need to show up at a particular place to work. I've done stuff at home where I can work whenever I want...but I even then I tend to try and get a leg up on things as early as possible.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

[Jägermeister]

I show up 10 minutes early to work everyday by my own volition.

When my shift is at 9, I arrive at 850.

If my employer told me I must there starting at 850 (for whatever reason), I would arrive at 840, but you best believe I would be making them pay me starting at 850.

[Heretic]

You keep bringing up courtesy. How is that relevant at all?

If you don't know, then you're not part of the solution.

[Heretic]

Imma just jump in late...

What is so bad about valuing your own life and time?

Why should anyone be obligated to do mandatory favors for a boss and/or business without compensation?

If anything this sounds like the company and boss is all about "me me me." If people really need to be in 15 minutes before open then move the opening of the business back 15 minutes or offer all or some employees a few extra dollars to come in early.

The only time I would see the business being validated in this is if it is a really good job that is paying the employees so well this is a minor favor to ask but given people are quitting over this I doubt this is a doctors job where they are asking the doctor to please show up 15 minutes early before performing a C section.

This just sounds like a low end job trying to milk all it can from the workers.

There's nothing wrong with valuing your own time.

It's the "what's in it for me" attitude that I'm on about or "I'll do this if I get that".

You know, the old "strings attached" syndrome.

[inane]

If you don't know, then you're not part of the solution.

Lol what kind of non answer is that?

I'm asking for you to clarify rather than making a bunch of assumptions and ad hominem attacks, if you actually want to discuss this why not do me the courtesy of answering?