Brock Boeser | #6 | RW

[aGENT]

7 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

At 22% ozone starts I’m hoping Sutter’s deployment is at least a fair bit better. Poor guy probably got off the bench before his name was even called when he seen defensive faceoffs coming up. Lol

Yeah, like I said, those Dzone starts get spread more to Beagle but if anything I think it just means a minute or two less for Sutter and slightly increased neutral/ozone starts. He's still going to be one of the key guys for dzone/natch up/pk duty. Just less of it is going to fall on only his shoulders.

 

Most of the offensive opportunity is going to go to Pettersson and Horvat.

Edited August 14, 2018 by aGENT

[SamJamIam]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Yeah, like I said, those Dzone starts get spread more to Beagle but if anything I think it just means a minute or two less for Sutter and slightly increased neutral/ozone starts. He's still going to be one of the key guys for dzone/natch up/pk duty. Just less of it is going to fall on only his shoulders.

 

Most of the offensive opportunity is going to go to Pettersson and Horvat.

You could say

 

[Kanukfanatic]

14 hours ago, N7Nucks said:

I am thinking whatever line Pettersson is on (assuming he makes it) will get the bulk of the Sedins deployment. And Sutter will get some more offensive starts as well with the acquisition of Beagle. So overall I don't see Bo and Boeser's deployment being much better. Especially since Boeser was already getting 63% ozone starts.

Good God I hope you are wrong.

 

Why the heck would the coach give Sutter more O Zone starts because we have Beagle?  Why the heck would the coach NOT give more O zone starts to Horvat / Boeser...their best offensive players?

 

Silly.

 

Edit: Sutter and Beagle should be the ones taking all the D zone coverage imo....sigh.

Edited August 15, 2018 by Kanukfanatic

[Gaudette Celly]

Bo's line gets the most, then Gaudette, then Sutter, then Beagle's the least.

[coastal.view]

2 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Good God I hope you are wrong.

 

Why the heck would the coach give Sutter more O Zone starts because we have Beagle?  Why the heck would the coach NOT give more O zone starts to Horvat / Boeser...their best offensive players?

 

Silly.

 

Edit: Sutter and Beagle should be the ones taking all the D zone coverage imo....sigh.

if sutter centers the 2nd offensive line

as suggested would happen by jb and green i believe

exactly how does that happen given your view of his dzone starts ??

[Crabcakes]

40 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

if sutter centers the 2nd offensive line

as suggested would happen by jb and green i believe

exactly how does that happen given your view of his dzone starts ??

I think that the narrative has been that since Beagle had 80% d-zone starts last year, Sutter couldn't help but have fewer.  

 

We don't know how Green is going to deploy the centres or even what their names are.  Ok we know 3 of them.   

 

What I do know is that we now have 2 defensive specialists.  Sutter and Beagle.  I don't see why this would change.  I suspect that neither will have the same d-zone starts as last year because the role will be shared.  Horvat will surely benefit and perhaps the 4th centre as well (who ever that will be)

 

                    Ice Time    Face Offs    D-zone Starts

 

Horvat            19:21         53.8%         51.53%

Sedin             15:33         46.5%          26%

Sutter            17:19          51.7%         77.4%

Beagle          12:27           58.5%         80.1%

[JeremyCuddles]

12 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Good God I hope you are wrong.

 

Why the heck would the coach give Sutter more O Zone starts because we have Beagle?  Why the heck would the coach NOT give more O zone starts to Horvat / Boeser...their best offensive players?

 

Silly.

 

Edit: Sutter and Beagle should be the ones taking all the D zone coverage imo....sigh.

I mean, Boeser is already getting 63% ozone starts. Give him more he’ll start losing ice time cause you’re not always gonna be in the ozone. It won’t hurt giving Sutter more ozone starts. I know he’s a lot of people’s whipping boy cause of the trade and Benning’s comment about being a foundational player. Sutter is a pretty much 35+ point player over a full season, while being stapled in his own zone practically all game.

 

Boeser and Bo can handle themselves defensively, they shouldn’t need to be baby’d with deployment. And they are talented enough that with 50-60% ozone starts they’ll get their numbers. Lessening Sutter’s defensive responsibilities may help with his injury situations. He has played 20 games, 82 games, and 61 games in his 3 seasons here. Prior to that he hadn’t missed more than 2 games in a season since his sophomore year. 

 

Ideally his 5 on 5 deployment should be around 35-40%. Not 20%. If our top lines can’t handle 40% dzone starts we really should be looking to get better players. Only line that should be sheltered next season is whatever line has Pettersson for rookie reasons. 

Edited August 15, 2018 by N7Nucks

[Kanukfanatic]

43 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

I mean, Boeser is already getting 63% ozone starts. Give him more he’ll start losing ice time cause you’re not always gonna be in the ozone. It won’t hurt giving Sutter more ozone starts. I know he’s a lot of people’s whipping boy cause of the trade and Benning’s comment about being a foundational player. Sutter is a pretty much 35+ point player over a full season, while being stapled in his own zone practically all game.

 

Boeser and Bo can handle themselves defensively, they shouldn’t need to be baby’d with deployment. And they are talented enough that with 50-60% ozone starts they’ll get their numbers. Lessening Sutter’s defensive responsibilities may help with his injury situations. He has played 20 games, 82 games, and 61 games in his 3 seasons here. Prior to that he hadn’t missed more than 2 games since his rookie year. 

 

Ideally his 5 on 5 deployment should be around 35-40%. Not 20%. If our top lines can’t handle 40% dzone starts we really should be looking to get better players. Only line that should be sheltered next season is whatever line has Pettersson for rookie reasons. 

Very good points....does make sense.

[dpn1]

1 hour ago, N7Nucks said:

I mean, Boeser is already getting 63% ozone starts. Give him more he’ll start losing ice time cause you’re not always gonna be in the ozone. It won’t hurt giving Sutter more ozone starts. I know he’s a lot of people’s whipping boy cause of the trade and Benning’s comment about being a foundational player. Sutter is a pretty much 35+ point player over a full season, while being stapled in his own zone practically all game.

 

Boeser and Bo can handle themselves defensively, they shouldn’t need to be baby’d with deployment. And they are talented enough that with 50-60% ozone starts they’ll get their numbers. Lessening Sutter’s defensive responsibilities may help with his injury situations. He has played 20 games, 82 games, and 61 games in his 3 seasons here. Prior to that he hadn’t missed more than 2 games in a season since his sophomore year. 

 

Ideally his 5 on 5 deployment should be around 35-40%. Not 20%. If our top lines can’t handle 40% dzone starts we really should be looking to get better players. Only line that should be sheltered next season is whatever line has Pettersson for rookie reasons. 

A question for those who know more about stats.  Do they keep stats on the % of ozone starts that are face-off wins? Obviously winning ozone face-offs will affects your puck possession numbers in the offensive zone.

[JeremyCuddles]

1 minute ago, dpn1 said:

A question for those who know more about stats.  Do they keep stats on the % of ozone starts that are face-off wins? Obviously winning ozone face-offs will affects your puck possession numbers in the offensive zone.

I don't see any places that keep that information. Hockey reference is where I go to find my advanced stats and zone starts is just where the faceoff was taken. Nothing I see says their percentage of faceoff wins in each zone unfortunately. 

[dpn1]

2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

I don't see any places that keep that information. Hockey reference is where I go to find my advanced stats and zone starts is just where the faceoff was taken. Nothing I see says their percentage of faceoff wins in each zone unfortunately. 

Thanks for the info. 

[JeremyCuddles]

1 minute ago, dpn1 said:

Thanks for the info. 

I do what I can. I am still pretty new-ish to the world of advanced stats but it's pretty interesting to dive into. I am working on my resumé to get hired by Toronto or Arizona.

[kloubek]

Sounds like contract extension talks are starting.  Would be nice to lock up Boeser long term for a reasonable price.  

 

What do you guys think he will sign for?  I'm going to say 5-6 years, 7 million per.

[Bure_Pavel]

Im good with 7 x 8 years, just pay the guy. Brock's a beaut

[Me_]

When world class Pettersson ends up entering Boeser, watch out. They’ll both take over league scoring in no time. 

 

Perhaps the competition for the 1LW then is between Baertschi, Goldobin and Dahlen.

Edited August 15, 2018 by Me_

[HorvatToBaertschi]

3 hours ago, kloubek said:

Sounds like contract extension talks are starting.  Would be nice to lock up Boeser long term for a reasonable price.  

 

What do you guys think he will sign for?  I'm going to say 5-6 years, 7 million per.

That would be a steal. Obviously it’s hard to pony up so fast for a player with 70 games to his name, but he’s worth the very small risk. 

[tas]

I don't want to see pettersson enter boeser. 

 

also, I think 7 years x $7.75 mil and he'll earn every penny. 

[The_Rocket]

3 hours ago, kloubek said:

Sounds like contract extension talks are starting.  Would be nice to lock up Boeser long term for a reasonable price.  

 

What do you guys think he will sign for?  I'm going to say 5-6 years, 7 million per.

i would bet 6 years, that buys him all the way till he's UFA. probably the best way to keep the cap hit low. if its 7 or 8, He will want more per year as it sets back his UFA status

 

im thinking 6 years at 6.5 million is reasonable.

[kloubek]

1 hour ago, The_Rocket said:

Im thinking 6 years at 6.5 million is reasonable.

That would be amazing, but seems too cheap to me.  I had guessed 6 years 7 million, but probably that is even a little optimistic.  8m per seems to be a relatively common believe in prior discussions.  Somehow, I feel that Brock knows he will earn lots of money in his career and he seems stand-up enough of a guy I'm hoping he doesn't get greedy and gives us a bit of a deal.

[The_Rocket]

7 minutes ago, kloubek said:

That would be amazing, but seems too cheap to me.  I had guessed 6 years 7 million, but probably that is even a little optimistic.  8m per seems to be a relatively common believe in prior discussions.  Somehow, I feel that Brock knows he will earn lots of money in his career and he seems stand-up enough of a guy I'm hoping he doesn't get greedy and gives us a bit of a deal.

look at the deals signed by pastrnak, foresberg, monahan, larkin, mackinnon, etc. brock should fall in the 6-7 million range as long as the canucks aren't buying any of his UFA yearsits his next contract thats going to be expensive (probably 8 or 9 million for 8 years) assuming he maintains his projection