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it was a hit from behind that certainly didn't need to happen, and yes Tierney came from the far side by the goalie straight toward Boeser, it was a dirty hit and a joke that Tierney said he was sorry and didn't mean to do it, sure he did.  and also a joke that all he got was a 2 minute penalty

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55 minutes ago, Darius said:

Instead of calling me out for being dishonest maybe read what I said and actually watch the whole clip. I said he took 4 or 5 strides while BB had his back turned.  At 16 second of the clip Tierney starts taking multiple strides while BB had his back to him. The fact that the strides were followed by a glide has no bearing on my statement.  It is up to you to explain how I made stuff up.  Did he not have his back turned when Tierney started taking his strides?

 

You are "making stuff up" by implying I stated that he took 4 or 5 strides "into the hit".

 

The whole point of I was trying to make, of course, was that Tierney had plenty of time to realize his actions, and that none of the responsibility should have been on Brock for the hit.  He did not turn his back the last second, nor did he put himself in a compromising position in a time frame which gave Tierney little time to change the course of the hit.

 

 

He has to get to Brock to make a play, he made the wrong one when he got there though. The 4 or 5 strides comment is neither here nor there as he has to skate to make a play. 

 

It was a dirty and stupid hit but it wasn't charging. The officials did drop the ball on the call and the league as well for not at least even handing a fine Tierney’s way. 

 

Brock like many young players has to also not put himself in a position to be hit like that too. 

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25 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

He has to get to Brock to make a play, he made the wrong one when he got there though. The 4 or 5 strides comment is neither here nor there as he has to skate to make a play. 

 

It was a dirty and stupid hit but it wasn't charging. The officials did drop the ball on the call and the league as well for not at least even handing a fine Tierney’s way. 

 

Brock like many young players has to also not put himself in a position to be hit like that too. 

This is irrelevant to the point I was making.

 

Some people were putting some of the onus on BB for the hit.  My point was that BB did not turn his back the last second, nor did he give Tierney little time to change the course of his actions.  I stated very clearly he took 4 or 5 steps while BB had his back to him with the implication that he had plenty of time to make  a decision whether to hit a player in a vulnerable position. 

 

Nowhere did I say  that he took 4 or 5 strides directly into the hit. Nowhere did I mention "charging".

 

We agree on most of this, I just dont like being accused of lying.

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35 minutes ago, Darius said:

This is irrelevant to the point I was making.

 

Some people were putting some of the onus on BB for the hit.  My point was that BB did not turn his back the last second, nor did he give Tierney little time to change the course of his actions.  I stated very clearly he took 4 or 5 steps while BB had his back to him with the implication that he had plenty of time to make  a decision whether to hit a player in a vulnerable position. 

 

Nowhere did I say  that he took 4 or 5 strides directly into the hit. Nowhere did I mention "charging".

 

We agree on most of this, I just dont like being accused of lying.

Fair point, just used to people saying 4+ strides as a roundabout way of saying charging without saying it. Apologies for the accusation, cheers! 

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He was facing the net then turned toward Brock and took 3 strides.  I counted them.  Looked at the clip twice, to be sure.  Glided as he delivered the hit, yes.

 

Sad thing is, it doesn't meet the definition of charging as there are multiple examples/reasoning of different variations/levels (and excuses?) that factor in.  As long as they continue to fine tooth comb these things, they'll continue.  If you want something to stop, you stop it.

 

I'm all for hard hitting hockey and, truth be told, I do feel Tierney had a moment afterward where he almost looked like he wanted to see if Brock was ok...I don't feel it was "predatory" or meant to be vicious...but I think it was reckless.  On both parts...but I want to see the responsibility put on the guy who actually SEES the other guy and can veer off course to avoid a dangerous collision.   Not give him a shove head first into the boards. The guy with his back turned because the puck is there is playing hockey...retrieve the puck and score.  Not Red Rover.

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19 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

I'm fine with the no charging call, because it wasn't. 

 

How it wasn't 5 and a game for boarding minimum and not further looked at by “player safety” is beyond me.

You don't seriously expect Buttman's DIPSticks to take any action just because a blatantly dirty suspendable hit put a Canuck star on the IR do you? As we have seen, it takes a WWE move for that to rate even a minimal punishment.

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At least it seems that it wasn't Boeser's head that was bothering him the most. Also would explain why he got a lot of medical treatment after that game.

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On 9/30/2019 at 6:35 PM, Brad Marchand said:

At least it seems that it wasn't Boeser's head that was bothering him the most. Also would explain why he got a lot of medical treatment after that game.

Yeah, definitely got lucky. Although it’s kinda weird to say that having whiplash and a minor concussion is lucky, but it could have been far worse.

 

I always find it worth remembering that all concussions are traumatic brain injuries, so it’s scary stuff when players go on protocol. It’s an injury that impacts the brain—the part of the body that makes us who we are—and this league needs to up its game when it comes to responding to plays that result in these types of injuries. In my mind, every time this type of thing happens, there need to be severe consequences to the perpetrator, regardless of their “intent” or whether they are “that kind of player.”

 

Truly accidental plays resulting in head injuries, sure, give the perpetrators the benefit of the doubt and a light punishment. But idiotic moves where a defenceless player is sent headfirst into the boards, those plays need to be met with lengthy suspensions (like 10-20 games as a starting point), every single time, regardless of history. Repeat offenders should lose entire seasons. Habitual offenders should be banned from the league.

 

We’re talking about the health of players brains here. These injuries can have lasting impacts that go far beyond a hockey career and affect players their entire lives. The league must drastically step up their enforcement and punishment of head injuries.

 

Just my $0.02. And with that off my chest this morning, let’s drop the damn puck and get this season going. Can’t wait to watch Brock and the other core young stars this year. Hopefully they have a special season.

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On 9/30/2019 at 6:35 PM, Brad Marchand said:

At least it seems that it wasn't Boeser's head that was bothering him the most. Also would explain why he got a lot of medical treatment after that game.

Soft tissue damage is a real pain in the neck!    I was rear ended and thought I was fine....until it slowly revealed itself, over time, to not to be the case.  Hope Brock recovers, fully, from that.  And yeah, apologies are only as good as the intent to not do that again.  If it happens again, then it sort of nullifies the apology.

Anyone can have a momentary lapse of judgement...especially at real time hockey speed.  But it's not good enough to go "woops"....make sure it's the first/last time if you're truly sorry.  Don't be a Marchand.  I hope Tierney truly IS sorry and it was a one off.

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Boeser's playmaking game might have taken another step... I saw him making some pretty slick plays to get the puck to teammates last night. Anyone else notice this?

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Boeser into 74th in all-time Canuck scoring with his 3 assists tonight.

 

73.  Rich Sutter RW 291 61 61 122
74.  Brock Boeser RW 145 60 62 122
75.  Lars Lindgren D 335 23 99 122
76.  Adrian Aucoin D 341 49 71 120
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As per Sutter thread:

 

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    Corsi (EV) Fenwick (EV) PDO (EV) Zone Starts (EV)          
Rk Player Age Pos GP CF CA CF% CF% rel FF FA FF% FF% rel oiSH% oiSV% PDO oZS%
dZS% TOI/60 TOI(EV) TK GV E+/- SAtt. Thru%
1 Brandon Sutter 30 C/RW 5 29 52 35.8 -19.1 18 37 32.7 -21.0 31.3 90.0 121.3 72.7 27.3 14:52 10:53 2 2 -0.1 10 90.0
2 Jake Virtanen 23 RW 5 32 41 43.8 -8.5 24 29 45.3 -5.0 15.4 100.0 115.4 69.4 30.6 11:33 11:32 2 0 0.0 7 42.9
3 Adam Gaudette 23 C 3 20 29 40.8 -10.3 13 21 38.2 -10.6 11.1 92.9 104.0 68.0 32.0 11:31 10:38 0 1   3 33.3
4 Jordie Benn 32 D 5 38 63 37.6 -18.0 26 44 37.1 -16.6 18.8 94.3 113.0 64.4 35.6 15:32 13:39 1 2 -0.1 4 50.0
5 Troy Stecher 25 D 5 44 56 44.0 -9.2 30 40 42.9 -8.8 25.0 93.8 118.8 63.8 36.2 13:42 13:13 1 1 -0.1 14 35.7
6 Josh Leivo 26 LW 5 51 50 50.5 -0.3 32 34 48.5 -1.0 20.0 91.7 111.7 63.4 36.6 15:51 12:52 2 4 0.1 18 33.3
7 Tyler Motte 24 C 1 14 7 66.7 34.7 11 5 68.8 40.6 0.0 100.0 100.0 62.5 37.5 16:10 14:58 1 0   2 50.0
8 Jay Beagle 34 RW/C 5 26 32 44.8 -6.9 21 23 47.7 -1.8 7.7 100.0 107.7 60.6 39.4 11:26 9:13 2 1 0.0 4 75.0
9 Alexander Edler 33 D 5 74 71 51.0 0.6 51 54 48.6 -1.1 8.6 87.2 95.8 60.0 40.0 25:10 18:14 1 3 0.0 27 40.7
10 Tim Schaller 29 LW 5 30 29 50.8 0.2 24 23 51.1 2.3 7.1 100.0 107.1 60.0 40.0 11:03 9:11 0 0 0.0 6 33.3
11 Tyler Myers 29 D 5 74 65 53.2 4.1 52 50 51.0 2.9 11.4 89.2 100.6 54.9 45.1 22:27 18:35 4 2 0.1 23 39.1
12 Micheal Ferland 27 LW 5 33 46 41.8 -11.3 22 29 43.1 -7.6 13.3 84.2 97.5 51.9 48.1 12:51 11:21 1 0 -0.1 5 60.0
13 Bo Horvat 24 C 5 72 52 58.1 11.1 47 36 56.6 11.0 9.1 84.6 93.7 45.8 54.2 19:04 15:24 1 4 0.1 15 33.3
14 Tanner Pearson 27 LW 5 44 49 47.3 -4.5 29 37 43.9 -7.1 13.0 82.8 95.8 43.8 56.3 17:03 12:59 4 3 0.1 20 80.0
15 Loui Eriksson 34 LW 1 8 8 50.0 -19.1 3 5 37.5 -33.2 0.0 80.0 80.0 40.0 60.0 13:12 10:53 0 0 -0.2 2 0.0
16 Elias Pettersson 21 C 5 66 51 56.4 8.4 45 39 53.6 6.5 20.0 85.2 105.2 38.2 61.8 18:01 13:57 3 3 -0.1 23 30.4
17 Chris Tanev 30 D 5 54 57 48.6 -2.9 33 36 47.8 -1.9 15.4 87.0 102.3 35.8 64.2 19:57 16:27 1 2 -0.2 7 42.9
18 Brock Boeser 22 RW 5 67 51 56.8 9.0 44 37 54.3 7.5 23.1 84.0 107.1 34.2 65.8 18:25 14:22 0 1 -0.2 23 52.2
19 Quinn Hughes 20 D 5 79 47 62.7 18.3 52 32 61.9 18.9 20.6 81.0 101.5 32.7 67.3 20:01 17:25 3 5 0.0 19 31.6
20 J.T. Miller 26 C 5 73 47 60.8 15.1 47 34 58.0 12.9 20.0 84.0 104.0 32.0 68.0 17:54 14:13 2 5 0.2 11 54.5

The somewhat curious zone starts might explain somewhat the slower than expected starts for Horvat, Pettersson and Boeser.

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2 hours ago, aGENT said:

As per Sutter thread:

 

The somewhat curious zone starts might explain somewhat the slower than expected starts for Horvat, Pettersson and Boeser.

So out shut-down and energy lines are getting offensive zone starts and our scorers are getting defensive zone starts? Am I reading that right?

 

Think it's just a short-term thing? Maybe that's just where the puck happened to be dropped when the match ups Green wanted those lines out for were out?

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5 minutes ago, MattJVD said:

So out shut-down and energy lines are getting offensive zone starts and our scorers are getting defensive zone starts? Am I reading that right?

 

Think it's just a short-term thing? Maybe that's just where the puck happened to be dropped when the match ups Green wanted those lines out for were out?

I think some of it may look that way because Sutter was sheltering the third line while Gaudette was on it.

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Well in any case im glad they put together Miller-Petey-Brock. When first hearing about the miller trade i had that line in my mind all along. They have started producing and i think they will produce consistently throughout the season. Brocks production goes up and when he gets a few goals he will get some of that confidence u only get by scoring goals. Its what he does and has a natural talent for it. This line looks solid!:canucks:

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