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Just now, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

...the major point was we don't have to worry about Seattle nabbing him in the expansion draft...2020...if he doesn't sign until the summer...

Totally. Expansion eligibility is priority number 1. As long as that game limit posted above is true I say burn that year off. 

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6 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

It gets pretty technical because you’re dealing with rules from a few different leagues. I think the NCAA rules would not let a player return to college if he’d signed an ATO and played with an AHL squad at the end of his college season. But I think as far as the NHL and AHL are concerned, ATOs are classified as amateurs because they are not drawing a salary or under a standard contract.

 

It’s murky stuff. 

 

So no, I don’t believe Gaudette could return to Northeastern if he signed an ATO, even though he’d still be an amateur. Just not an NCAA eligible amateur.

 

I’d have to check a bunch of rules to be sure about that though.

 

Functionally, ATOs are almost always used for amateur players who want to play in a professional league, but won’t be signing professional deals until the following season.

 

So yes, Gaudette could sign an ATO now and join Utica. And then sign his ELC effective next season. This is actually fairly common among lower grade NCAA players. But most higher level prospects choose to sign an ELC effective during the current season to collect their bonus and burn off a year. By doing this, they join the NHL roster which makes them ineligible for the AHL (as NHL contracted players must be on the AHL roster at the TDL to be eligible to play in the AHL the remainder of the season and playoffs, ie: “papering down”, etc).

NCAA rules do not allow a player to play in a pro league and the return to play the next year in college. The term ATO is more a technical term because he is coming from amateur hockey unlike PTO coming from a pro league like the ECHL. 

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3 hours ago, Rick Blight said:

I could be wrong too. He needs to submit a 15 team no trade list for the 2020/21 which would lead me to believe his contract would fall into the category "Players whose NMCs had limited no trade clauses had to still be protected, and any players with NMCs were able to waive the clause and become eligible for the expansion draft" but who knows. Guess we can worry about that after we actually see if, and when, there will be an expansion draft.

It's NMC vs NTC.  Expansion is considered a movement and not a trade.  A modified NMC allows the player to be traded but he cannot be 'moved' as in demoted to the AHL or exposed.  Players with a NTC can be exposed because they are not protected against a movement but only against a trade.  Eriksson is no longer expansion protected.  

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19 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

...the major point was we don't have to worry about Seattle nabbing him in the expansion draft...2020...if he doesn't sign until the summer...

What makes anyone think expansion would be a concern regarding Gaudette anyways? Just protect him. Are people worried about losing Eriksson, Sutter, etc...? The expansion draft will be a blessing as far as losing one of our older under-performing players.

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2 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

What makes anyone think expansion would be a concern regarding Gaudette anyways? Just protect him. Are people worried about losing Eriksson, Sutter, etc...? The expansion draft will be a blessing as far as losing one of our older under-performing players.

It still allows us to protect someone else.    Maybe allows you to keep Leipsic in the end... but even if it is Sutter. He could still be a decent deadline deal in his contract year.

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8 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

What makes anyone think expansion would be a concern regarding Gaudette anyways? Just protect him. Are people worried about losing Eriksson, Sutter, etc...? The expansion draft will be a blessing as far as losing one of our older under-performing players.

You can't protect everyone, though.

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9 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

What makes anyone think expansion would be a concern regarding Gaudette anyways? Just protect him. Are people worried about losing Eriksson, Sutter, etc...? The expansion draft will be a blessing as far as losing one of our older under-performing players.

etc.... must = Gagner  

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Same situation as Gaudette. Borgen is a mid round pick that excelled in college....he made the USA Olympic roster.  He is a junior and his college team was just eliminated from the NCAA tournament.

 

By convincing him to go this route Will will get his professional development aided by playing significant playoff games in Rochester instead of meaningless NHL in Buffalo which is a dumpster fire right now as they battle Vancouver for 31st place.  The Sabres don't give up a year of his ELC and won't have to protect him in an expansion draft.

 

The Canucks need to stop with the inferiority complex and negotiate with strength and conviction that this is in the player's best interest as well as the team's best interest.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

What makes anyone think expansion would be a concern regarding Gaudette anyways? Just protect him. Are people worried about losing Eriksson, Sutter, etc...? The expansion draft will be a blessing as far as losing one of our older under-performing players.

He won't have to be protected in expansion.  Players who only have 2 pro-years will be exempt.  For players 20 and above it's 10 professional games to count as a pro-year (for teenagers it's 10 NHL games) and there are less than 10 games left.

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4 minutes ago, UticaHockey said:

Same situation as Gaudette. Borgen is a mid round pick that excelled in college....he made the USA Olympic roster.  He is a junior and his college team was just eliminated from the NCAA tournament.

 

By convincing him to go this route Will will get his professional development aided by playing significant playoff games in Rochester instead of meaningless NHL in Buffalo which is a dumpster fire right now as they battle Vancouver for 31st place.  The Sabres don't give up a year of his ELC and won't have to protect him in an expansion draft.

 

The Canucks need to stop with the inferiority complex and negotiate with strength and conviction that this is in the player's best interest as well as the team's best interest.

 

 

It's a tough sell though........c'mon JB

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1 minute ago, stawns said:

It's a tough sell though........c'mon JB

Not any tougher than Buffalo right now.  Believe me I'm a Sabres fan.

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9 minutes ago, stawns said:

It's a tough sell though........c'mon JB

Why is it a tough sell?   Canucks are respected organization and you have such a beautiful city/region to live in.   Further, the depth on the team is perfect for a young player wanting to actually get a taste of the NHL and have a shot a roster spot in a season or three versus getting buried on a depth chart.    

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16 minutes ago, mll said:

He won't have to be protected in expansion.  Players who only have 2 pro-years will be exempt.  For players 20 and above it's 10 professional games to count as a pro-year (for teenagers it's 10 NHL games) and there are less than 10 games left.

I was not aware. So much worry in this thread, I thought it was a sure thing he needed to be protected.

 

Wouldn't mind seeing him go the ATO route as well. At least the Comets have something to play for.

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37 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Thanks for posting @Vintage Canuck....

Together with the draft, updates of getting Gaudette signed is the most important news at this part of the season.

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15 minutes ago, UticaHockey said:

Not any tougher than Buffalo right now.  Believe me I'm a Sabres fan.

I'm hoping AG's compete level and somewhat early exit makes him want to play some post season hockey this year.

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8 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Why is it a tough sell?   Canucks are respected organization and you have such a beautiful city/region to live in.   Further, the depth on the team is perfect for a young player wanting to actually get a taste of the NHL and have a shot a roster spot in a season or three versus getting buried on a depth chart.    

I meant a tough sell to get him to sign an ATO so he can play in Utica for the playoffs.

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2 minutes ago, stawns said:

I meant a tough sell to get him to sign an ATO so he can play in Utica for the playoffs.

Really?   I would think the kid would jump at the chance of some pro hockey playoffs.   I cannot speak for the kid but when i was that age, it was like "wow, sure!" in a heartbeat.

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