elvis15 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 BUwahahahahahah ... Beat me to it. Here's why I laughed so derisively at this. No it isn't because it's apollo. ... It has to be partly that though, right? I mean his unwavering optimism and sky high over-evaluations of some of our players are pretty well known. Apollo, it is you, and no, we aren't poised to dominate the Pacific (or any other) division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dKs89 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of optimism. The team isn't that bad and may just surprise some. There is a difference between optimism and being a blind homer. In this case, the OP is the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mephnick Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I'm not sure we'll win the division, but all these predictions with Vancouver finishing 12-14th are equally ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby17 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Here's why I laughed so derisively at this. No it isn't because it's apollo. No it isn't because it's because I don't believe in our team. It's more because the reality is, the Pacific is shaping up to be the bad boy in the league again. LA, Anaheim strong contenders, Calgary actually got better and 1 year older, San Jose is always a 50/50 shot at being a strong team and we well...we're introducing youth. For us to "dominate the pacific" means we would be a league leader. I cannot see this team pacing Chicago, Pitts, NYI, NYR, Dal, Ana, Tampa or any combination of 5 other teams. I also see us having an issue as the gimme points we had from Calgary and Edmonton might possibly be done. at 5 games a piece that's a possible 20 points we are going to be fighting for instead of expecting. Now factor in an LA team that while shoddier on defense and it's back 6, is introducing some solid players from its AHL Calder Cup winning Monarchs squad to replace them as well as adding a up year down year Lucic who is now fighting for a contract. He's gonna be a beast. An Anaheim team that got dumped by the champs but actually got stronger in the off season and still has a bunch of cap space. A San Jose team without injury issues and a new coach with something to prove as well as new goaltending. A Calgary team that outworked us in 6 games and blew us out in game 6 by chewing up a 3 goal lead and not stopping that is now healthier 1 year older and arguably deeper on that back end An Edmonton team that finally has (at least on paper) an NHL caliber defense and a plethora of young goalies with something to prove, new management, no health issues and a new coach. And of course McDavid and Draisatl. Finally we have Arizona who for whatever reason plays us tough no matter how terrible that team is. 1 goal grinders. All of that vs a Vancouver squad with a few losses some "character" depth replacements and hopefully; a whole lotta youth. I know it isn't just me that has a hard time seeing us make the playoffs. but I sure as hell know I'm not the only one shaking my head at being a Pacific division beast barring some kind of unheard of miracle of a cinderella run By all means, we had no right doing as well as we did last season, I hope it happens again this year but all the other teams made huge moves this off season so I'm not as optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 1. I wouldn't be surprised if we surprise other teams and finish high up in the standings. The veteran core (Twins, Burr, Edler, Hammer, Vrbata, Miller...) is respectable at least on paper given that they don't suddenly decline. They've probably still got some miles in them. Adding another leap forward in Bo and Bart, adding a puck-mover if Adam pans out, and if Jacob suddenly decides to show up and play like an NHL-level player, then sure. 2. That said, there's quite a few gambles taking place (some lesser guys filling roles which some would argue are above their weight class), and the team certainly didn't get more skilled, at best it moved laterally. Lost Lack, no trust in Miller, lost 18 goals in Matthias which would have to be replaced by committee, losing Kassian for... that, signing Dorsett and Sbisa to those deals... getting plugs to fill in roster holes when most people know full well they're gonna probably revamp after this season... 3. This team isn't built for the playoffs. It's got the European skill game to thrive in the regular season at least in seasons past, but Dorsett and Prust likely aren't significant enough to be difference makers. They'll make the team less vulnerable in attrition, but the team doesn't have the big bodies to bang with the physical teams and lacks the speed to fly with the young guns. It lacks scoring ability and intimidation up front and stability in the back. 4.If the team is building for the future, in the short term they shouldn't be looking to dominate anyways. Sure they can sneak into the playoffs but we're going the way of the Sharks if we can get into the dance but not stay for the whole thing. Either they play to win now, or if they're really bad they might as well gun for the chance to draft a stud D-man, while keeping some vets (Sedins, hopefully Burr, Bones, Edler, Tanev) for leadership as they bring in the young guns. I'd rather go the way of the Sens than of the Sharks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Alright so I’m 6 days earlier this year but I just can’t keep it in any longer. I’m getting a tumour from all these pessimistic posts: “Tank!” “We’re gonna be bottom feeders” “Last in the division!” Had to have my voice heard beofore I lose it... Disclaimer: If you’re gonna call me out like last year and say I’m wrong and we’ll miss the playoffs – I’m willing to put my CDC membership on the line as long as you agree to do so as well and leave CDC forever when we make the playoffs. Or at least stop being a pessimistic downer 24/7. Last year we penetrated the Pacific with a 17-9-3 record, 2nd in the division, and dealt one of the final KO punches to the Kings when Lord Henrik decided to go #700 in PROLIFIC FASHION. Now all of sudden people think because we lost a couple “power forwards” that don’t hit and are inconsistent, we’re in trouble? Or is it because we lost a social media darling? Richy and Juice will leave a void but none that can’t be filled by committee. Let’s take a look at the division again and see how we match up. Not comparing with the Central because all that matters is for us to finish top 3 in the Pacific. Anaheim: Prediction 1 or 2nd in the division. Our biggest threat. Replaced Beau, Belesky, Etem with Hagelin, Juice, Stewart. Also added a good goalie in Khudobin. Made improvements for sure. Offense: Better than us Defense: Par with us Goaltending: Inferior to us Rating: 9.00 Calgary: 3rd to 5th in the division. They won too many games they shouldn’t have and had poor underlying numbers which was well documented. That being said they made a great addition in Dougie and their youngsters should all see some improvements. Frolik was also added and overpaid IMO. I could see what happened to the Avalanche happen to them with teams taking it harder to them each game so I don't see them improving in the standings Offense: Slightly Inferior Defense: Better than us Goaltending: Inferior Rating 8.50 Loser Angeles: 3rd to 5th in the division. Added Lucic, but lost Stoll, Williams, Richards, Voynov, Sekera, Regehr, Jones… they have young talent the likes of Shore, Pearson, Toffoli and Andreoff that can step up but they’ll be in tough unless the league hands them at least 15 wins. Offense: Inferior Defense: Better than us but very little depth now so it's marginal Goaltending: Can’t go wrong with Quick. Better than us but not that much Rating: 8.50 San Jose: 2nd to 6th in the division. It’ll be up to Jones and Stalock solely. They’ll live and die by their goaltending. Offense: On par Defense: Inferior Goaltending: Inferior Rating 8.25 Edmonton: 4th-6th. Connor can’t save them just yet. Horrible Sekera contract, Griffin is unproven. They’ve got lots of good young players but don’t see them ready yet. Talbot shouldn’t be that big of an upgrade if they play D like they have been. Rating 7.00 Arizona: Last (I was way wrong last year… chose Calgary) Vancouver: Prediction 1-3rd in the division Offense: Sedins are nowhere near washed up. Daniel was tied for 1st in points between Western Conference players that made the playoffs. Also led the NHL in primary assist; ahead of Crosby, Benn, Tavares, etc. Vancouver still has an elite top line, it will be up to the 3 very good 3rd lines we have to support them. Without a doubt Vancouver will roll 4 lines better than any team in the division. It’ll be up to Vey, Bo, Kenny to show improvements over last year. One more year under a new system from Bonino, Higgy and Hansen should do wonders for their games as well. Look for them to have better seasons. If a guy like Virtanen, Cassels, McCann, Shink, Jensen, etc can step up that would be fantastic but not our only hope. Defense: Extra year for everyone to adjust to the new coaches. Tanev, Lui, Edler, Weber, Franky, and Adam should all be improving. Hammer is a rock and hope to see good things from Bart. Biega is also a great depth option. Canucks defense is in good hands even with the departure of perennial leader and all man KB3. I'm confident Lui can fill Jucie's void and then some. Physicality and as man as you can get. Remember that game last year he got cut, got stitches and came back to the game with like 1 minut left? He's a gamer. LUUUUUUUUUU! Goaltending: No worries. Not gonna waste my breath on it. Miller is money ... FYI had the longest shutout streak in pro hockey last year. Also Marky should do as well as Eddie. Rating: 8.75 Final Standing Predictions – Went away from my rankings just based on feeling. Nux are a lock for the playoffs. If all goes well, division and a healthy cup run can be ours. Vancouver Anaheim Calgary San Jose LA Edmonton Arizona GO CANUCKS GO! ELITE!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I would put them into the same category as last year at this time: average NHL team around the middle of the overall standings and playoffs most likely through wild card. Yes, they did a bit better than that last year but hard to see a repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Good post apollo, it's hilarious, because since 2012 everyone has been saying there's no way we make the play-offs, yet we've only missed once. Last season, as you can tell by my signature, people said the Canucks weren't even going to be close. Richardson was injured most of the time last season, we won games without him. Matthias was inconsistent as Kassian, both are gone. We've added a possible 2nd line point getter in Baertschi; Bartowski is no slouch; Miller/Markstrom isn't that much worse than Miller/Lack. People need to pull their head out of their asses, this years line up of forwards is better than last years, and our defense is basically on par. Bieksa didn't have that great of a season last year anyways. That being said, Anaheim still finishes 1st. Anaheim - z Vancouver - x Edmonton - x Los Angeles Calgary San Jose Arizona WC Anaheim - z Nashville - y St Louis - x Vancouver - x Minnesota - x Chicago - x Winnepeg - x Edmonton - x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Beat me to it. It has to be partly that though, right? I mean his unwavering optimism and sky high over-evaluations of some of our players are pretty well known. Apollo, it is you, and no, we aren't poised to dominate the Pacific (or any other) division. Ok partly because it's apollo partly because he made the "i'll give up my account" claims twice about Luongo being traded and losing his starting position But mostly because his evaluations of each teams are so very based on opinion Goaltending: Quick. slightly better than us...uhhh Conn Smythe 2 cup wins near record breaking playoff runs vs Miller with a questionable knee and Markstrom?. Offense: Slightly inferior....uhhhmmm if I recall Calgary scored basically about the same as us with less PP points, IF I recall correctly. Anaheim defense: Par with us...wtf? It's comments or opinions like that I had to laugh at. It's entirely derisive without question but not because of the optimism or the fact it's Apollo but because straight up...we're not going to dominate the league which is what two teams in this division are poised to do (top 10 in the league teams) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Ok partly because it's apollo partly because he made the "i'll give up my account" claims twice about Luongo being traded and losing his starting position But mostly because his evaluations of each teams are so very based on opinion Goaltending: Quick. slightly better than us...uhhh Conn Smythe 2 cup wins near record breaking playoff runs vs Miller with a questionable knee and Markstrom?. Offense: Slightly inferior....uhhhmmm if I recall Calgary scored basically about the same as us with less PP points, IF I recall correctly. Anaheim defense: Par with us...wtf? It's comments or opinions like that I had to laugh at. It's entirely derisive without question but not because of the optimism or the fact it's Apollo but because straight up...we're not going to dominate the league which is what two teams in this division are poised to do (top 10 in the league teams) First of all, Luongo is still better than Lack, so a majority of CDC was wrong about him, and still are. Lack is not as good as CDC thinks, he is slightly worse than Talbot who was pretty average on a great team. Quick has always been an average regular season goalie, and his 2nd cup win LA won in spite of him being lit up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 I clearly said 1-3rd then I made a prediction based on my feelings. Clearly stated what I rate each team but there's so many intangibles. Therefor my final prediction didn't go in order of the ratings. My point is tank nation is insane as they were last year. We'll be top 3 in the division. Ok Warhippy we make the playoffs you disappear and if we don't I will. More of the same joke replies as last year when I pegged them 2nd and got laughed at by quite a few. @5fivehole0 keep on preaching the truth brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 How many times have you made this exact same thread apollo? You can keep spewing your same rose-coloured opinion (although I believe you're not that naive and that you really just enjoy trolling CDC), but that doesn't change the reality of where this team stands TODAY in relation to the other teams in the division after all the moves made in the last month. The reality is that at best, we'll be fighting for a playoff spot in a tougher Pacific division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I clearly said 1-3rd then I made a prediction based on my feelings. Clearly stated what I rate each team but there's so many intangibles. Therefor my final prediction didn't go in order of the ratings. My point is tank nation is insane as they were last year. We'll be top 3 in the division.Ok Warhippy we make the playoffs you disappear and if we don't I will. More of the same joke replies as last year when I pegged them 2nd and got laughed at by quite a few. You made that promise when Luongo was outpplayed by lack You made that promise about Luongo being traded. I have no reason to believe you nor make a "bet" with you. I have my predictions, you have yours. I wonder whose is more reasonable though based on current team rosters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 First of all, Luongo is still better than Lack, so a majority of CDC was wrong about him, and still are. Lack is not as good as CDC thinks, he is slightly worse than Talbot who was pretty average on a great team. Quick has always been an average regular season goalie, and his 2nd cup win LA won in spite of him being lit up. Never said he wasn't. But pretty clearly recall Apollo swearing he'd not watch hockey/give up his account/stop believing in this team if Luongo lost his starting position and then if Luongo was traded. Yet here we sit, in another thread made by Apollo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 How many times have you made this exact same thread apollo? You can keep spewing your same rose-coloured opinion (although I believe you're not that naive and that you really just enjoy trolling CDC), but that doesn't change the reality of where this team stands TODAY in relation to the other teams in the division after all the moves made in the last month. The reality is that at best, we'll be fighting for a playoff spot in a tougher Pacific division. 6 days and it'll be exactly a year... how'd it turn out? http://forum.canucks.com/topic/362641-is-it-just-me-or-can-we-actually-compete-in-the-pacific/ You made that promise when Luongo was outpplayed by lack You made that promise about Luongo being traded. I have no reason to believe you nor make a "bet" with you. I have my predictions, you have yours. I wonder whose is more reasonable though based on current team rosters You have 0 goalie knowledge if you think Lack out played Luongo. Canucks management was boneheaded and valued back up goalies stats in protected starts over their prolific starter. I was right. They trade Cory first. Dubnyk had better stats that Smith, Scrivens and Jones had better stats than Quick at times Talbot had better stats than Lundqvist at times Only difference, they're management kept the better goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Anaheim's defence > ours LA's forwards > ours optimism is nice but we gotta face reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 You made that promise when Luongo was outpplayed by lack You made that promise about Luongo being traded. I have no reason to believe you nor make a "bet" with you. I have my predictions, you have yours. I wonder whose is more reasonable though based on current team rosters In some peeps opinions maybe... If Lack was so good - why weren't teams beating down the door for him? Just saying. As far as "Is it just me or are we poised to dominate the Pacific again?" It's just you Apollo. It's going to be a few years before we "dominate" again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 6 days and it'll be exactly a year... how'd it turn out? http://forum.canucks.com/topic/362641-is-it-just-me-or-can-we-actually-compete-in-the-pacific/ You have 0 goalie knowledge if you think Lack out played Luongo. Canucks management was boneheaded and valued back up goalies stats in protected starts over their prolific starter. I was right. They trade Cory first. *cough* Quick is only slightly better than a 35 year old 1 legged Miller and a Markstrom with a career .896 sv% and a 3.19 GAA *cough* And uh....ya, that's your statement not mine. Just saying. As well...uhhmm...did Lack or did Lack not take the starting position from Luongo? It's a yes or no question. As the answer IS yes, it isn't just me but an entire team full of hockey specialists analysts and experts who decided that. I never said LAck was better than Lou; but he DID in fact take the starting job. But then hey, I have 0 goalie knowledge so what do I know right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 *cough* Quick is only slightly better than a 35 year old 1 legged Miller and a Markstrom with a career .896 sv% and a 3.19 GAA *cough* And uh....ya, that's your statement not mine. Just saying. As well...uhhmm...did Lack or did Lack not take the starting position from Luongo? It's a yes or no question. As the answer IS yes, it isn't just me but an entire team full of hockey specialists analysts and experts who decided that. I never said LAck was better than Lou; but he DID in fact take the starting job. But then hey, I have 0 goalie knowledge so what do I know right. Umnnn...there was never an official statement from the Canucks organization that said Lack is our number 1 goalie". So, no, just because a daft coach decided to play Lack on a hunch does not make him the "number 1" goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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