alt kilgore Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 They were booted more for scandals than fiscal management. They can't get reelected provincially because they're a disorganized cluster @$!? With poor leadership selection. There's a touch more to that story... Just like there'll be touch more to the story if the NDP get elected federally next month, of their coming term. Unfortunately for them, the current conservative party has already written a large portion of the next leaders term fiscally for them. There was also something dubbed The Asian Financial Flu that they had no control over. And the BCLIb friendly media establishment were relentless on the Glen Clark government from day one, blowing up silly things into mountains. A back deck built by his neighbour resulted in a night raid with the police and tipped off media, spotlights and the air of a hostage drama. Meanwhile, Gordo's first years were known for the accumulating the largest debt in BC history, while overspending on the Convention Center by the same amount, around $450,000,000, as the fast ferries, but yet hardly a peep about that compared to the horrors of the fast ferries. And ain't that the way it always is with Con parties everywhere. Rack up huge debt,and financial mess, and leave it to the next party to clean it up. And what that means usually is that the more progressive promises of the entering party have to be put on hold until they get the house in order. Mulroney/Campbell>Chretien/Martin, Devine>Romanow, Prentice>Notley. Down south, Bush>Obama. Yet the myth of the Cons being the best financial managers goes on and on in the corporate media. Cons everywhere have the same mantra. Help ourselves and our rich buddies and do as little as possible actual governing (ie. coming up with new programs or solutions to help the majority of the population or the environment), and..nudge nudge wink wink.. rely on those rich buddies to spend a little of their windfalls on reinvestments in new industry and trickle down jobs, to go along with their offshore tax haven cash dumps. Never say "tax hike" but rather raise all manner of fees, charges, on everything, and cut provincial subsidies. Funneling hard working tax payer dollars into their friends pockets, while cutting services that those workers used to have their tax dollars going to. And STILL not be able to balance the books. They stubbornly stick to ideology over common sense, a crippling fear of criticism, and live in their own made up reality bubble. ABC this election for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapefruits Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 They were booted more for scandals than fiscal management. They can't get reelected provincially because they're a disorganized cluster @$!? With poor leadership selection. There's a touch more to that story... Just like there'll be touch more to the story if the NDP get elected federally next month, of their coming term. Unfortunately for them, the current conservative party has already written a large portion of the next leaders term fiscally for them. They couldn't get reelected last election because they kept making laving spending promises with no concrete plan on how to pay for it all. Not all that much different than what the Federal NDP are doing with this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 It took years for BC to recover from the damage the NDP did when they were in power last. It's the main reason The Liberals are in power still today.And now it's going to take years to repair the damage the 'Liberals' did. Hopefully they won't steal another election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 And now it's going to take years to repair the damage the 'Liberals' did. Hopefully they won't steal another election. BC Unity, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Current Conservative immigration policies applied during wave of Ukrainian immigration to Canada = No Wayne Gretzky in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 BC Unity, anyone? What, the 'Liberals' are appealing enough to these people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Because the Conservative pattern of election fraud, robogate, misdirecting mailouts, etc. Elections Canada issues warnings to it's staff:Watch out for dirty voter suppression tricks, Elections Canada warns staff Elections Canada has quietly warned staff to be on the lookout for increasingly sophisticated tactics aimed at discouraging or even stopping voters from casting a ballot. The advanced voter suppression techniques flourishing in the United States are likely to spill into other countries, employees were advised in a presentation aimed at raising awareness prior to the Oct. 19 federal election. The digital revolution has fuelled intensive data analysis south of the border that allows political parties to zero in on people who support rival candidates and then find ways to prevent them from voting. The development prompted Elections Canada to comb through academic papers and media reports and talk to experts and lawyers about the phenomenon of electoral malpractice.Its important for us to identify potential risks in order to be prepared to detect and respond to incidents that may occur, including incidents that could compromise the integrity of the election, said Elections Canada spokesman John Enright. A copy of the May 2014 presentation, An Introduction to Emerging Trends and Threats in Electoral Operations, was released to The Canadian Press under the Access to Information Act. It was prepared just months before Conservative campaign worker Michael Sona was convicted of taking part in a scheme to misdirect voters in Guelph, Ont., to phoney poll locations during the 2011 campaign. The research revealed that rough-and-tumble American political campaigns are the seedbeds of such behaviour identifying 17 cases in 15 states from 2004 through 2012. We need look no further than the United States to find a vast overview of contemporary voter suppression and surveillance practices, the presentation notes say. Elections Canada cites four stages of a successful voter suppression plan:Identify non-supporters; Gather information on them; Prevent them from going to the polls through scare tactics, misinformation or systematic challenging of registrations; If electors get to the polls, prevent them from voting by contesting eligibility or identification, and through intimidation. Eleven years ago, one party took the fairly broad-brush approach of assuming students at a historically black college in Florida would not be supporters, the presentation points out. The party then systematically challenged the eligibility of voters on that list, resulting in long poll lineups and delays. But today the same computer software that allows parties to build massive databases with detailed information about likely supporters also enables them to more precisely identify and target non-supporters. Parties use voter lists, digital maps, and information from public or commercial sources to build personal profiles each containing up to 250 pieces of data, from basic demographic information to culinary or musical tastes. These databases allow campaigns to send micro-targeted messages to specific audiences, the notes say. For instance, Spanish-speaking voters in Arizona received robocalls and mailouts in 2012 advising them to vote after election day. In Maryland, tens of thousands of Democratic voters were apparently targeted by robocalls in 2010 falsely saying their candidate had already won the election. The U.S. has also seen the rise of poll watchers recruited by activist groups, the notes say. They often harass voters in predominantly minority voting districts, create anxiety and agitate voters. Another tactic involves handing out flyers threatening jail time or other penalties for those who vote illegally a means of dissuading those who are unsure of their registration status or whether they have the correct identification. A multi-party parliamentary system like Canadas may be especially affected by such micro-targeting, which tends to consolidate power in the larger, more well financed political parties at the expense of smaller ones, the Elections Canada notes say. In addition, micro-targeting can have a disproportionate impact on parliamentary systems, where subtle shifts in voter behaviour of specific slivers of the electorate in key electoral districts can indeed affect the distribution of seats in the legislature and even the composition of the government. https://ipolitics.ca/2015/09/21/watch-out-for-dirty-voter-suppression-tricks-elections-canada-warns-staff/ Conservative Party of Canada: Tricksy and False. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Because the Conservative pattern of election fraud, robogate, misdirecting mailouts, etc. Elections Canada issues warnings to it's staff:https://ipolitics.ca/2015/09/21/watch-out-for-dirty-voter-suppression-tricks-elections-canada-warns-staff/ Conservative Party of Canada: Tricksy and False. Some economists have pointed out the flaws if the NDP budget. They haven't even factored in oil below $60/bbl while it's been trading around $45 for the past 2 months. Its somewhat questionable whether the federal budget estimates are going to be realized with the economy in a technical recession for the first six months with the price of oil in April I dont want to sound overtly on the attack of the specific numbers that are there, but they are questionable. (Fred ORiordan, Ernst & Young, appearing on CTV, September 16, 2015) here is what I see as the biggest weakness in this document: ***uses 2015 Budget as baseline*** (Kevin Milligan, Vancouver School of Economics, Twitter, September 16, 2015) if you want to simply ignore economic events of the past 5 months, keep using the 2015 budget as baseline. Im over here in reality. (Kevin Milligan, Vancouver School of Economics, Twitter, September 16, 2015) April Budget had *very* optimistic oil forecasts. Not turning out well, is it? (Kevin Milligan, Vancouver School of Economics, Twitter, September 16, 2015) If we really believe Budget 2015 oil price estimates, government could fund billions in infrastructure by buying oil futures. (Mike Moffatt, Ivey Business School, Twitter, September 16, 2015) Our economist says that the NDP plan relies on surpluses forecast when the price of oil was higher than it is now. (Katie Simpson, CTV, September 16, 2015) The NDP clearly wanted to target some additional spending measures. They come with some big price tags. And the reality is, from the fiscal point of view, theres just no money in the kitty. (Craig Alexander, C.D. Howe Institute, September 16, 2015) These are some pretty serious mistakes that Thomas Mulcair has no answer for. Its clear that Mulcair wont be able to keep his promises because he has adopted Stephen Harpers fiscal plan and is using outdated information, said Liberal candidate for Halifax West, Geoff Regan. Mulcairs promises dont add up; its all a fantasy. Whatever Mulcair promises today in Nova Scotia, he wont be able to pay for it, or hell delay any real investments for years down the road. Mulcairs empty child care promise wouldnt kick in for years and hes sending the bill to the provinces, said Mr. Regan. Canadians have a clear choice between the Liberal plan for smart investments that will create jobs and growth, or cuts and broken promises by the NDP or Conservatives that will cost jobs and weaken our economy further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Some economists have pointed out the flaws if the NDP budget. They haven't even factored in oil below $60/bbl while it's been trading around $45 for the past 2 months. Its somewhat questionable whether the federal budget estimates are going to be realized with the economy in a technical recession for the first six months with the price of oil in April I dont want to sound overtly on the attack of the specific numbers that are there, but they are questionable. (Fred ORiordan, Ernst & Young, appearing on CTV, September 16, 2015) here is what I see as the biggest weakness in this document: ***uses 2015 Budget as baseline*** (Kevin Milligan, Vancouver School of Economics, Twitter, September 16, 2015) if you want to simply ignore economic events of the past 5 months, keep using the 2015 budget as baseline. Im over here in reality. (Kevin Milligan, Vancouver School of Economics, Twitter, September 16, 2015) April Budget had *very* optimistic oil forecasts. Not turning out well, is it? (Kevin Milligan, Vancouver School of Economics, Twitter, September 16, 2015) If we really believe Budget 2015 oil price estimates, government could fund billions in infrastructure by buying oil futures. (Mike Moffatt, Ivey Business School, Twitter, September 16, 2015) Our economist says that the NDP plan relies on surpluses forecast when the price of oil was higher than it is now. (Katie Simpson, CTV, September 16, 2015) The NDP clearly wanted to target some additional spending measures. They come with some big price tags. And the reality is, from the fiscal point of view, theres just no money in the kitty. (Craig Alexander, C.D. Howe Institute, September 16, 2015) These are some pretty serious mistakes that Thomas Mulcair has no answer for. Its clear that Mulcair wont be able to keep his promises because he has adopted Stephen Harpers fiscal plan and is using outdated information, said Liberal candidate for Halifax West, Geoff Regan. Mulcairs promises dont add up; its all a fantasy. Whatever Mulcair promises today in Nova Scotia, he wont be able to pay for it, or hell delay any real investments for years down the road. Mulcairs empty child care promise wouldnt kick in for years and hes sending the bill to the provinces, said Mr. Regan. Canadians have a clear choice between the Liberal plan for smart investments that will create jobs and growth, or cuts and broken promises by the NDP or Conservatives that will cost jobs and weaken our economy further.Wherever this came from I guess doesn't matter, blah blah blah, but why did you quote me? It neither responds to me or has anything to do with what my posted article said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 A little more on the future PM's budget. The man who remortgaged his home 11 times looks like he hasn't changed one bit. http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/8161864 Even though Canadas former budget watchdog called the NDPs fiscal plan "Swiss cheese," leader Thomas Mulcair insists Kevin Page has very nice things to say about his partys document. Page, who served as parliamentary budget officer from 2008-2013, has been advising Mulcair and the NDP, as well as other parties. He told The Huffington Post Canada Thursday that he was disappointed with the NDPs fiscal plan. Theyve exposed [Mulcair], because this is a Swiss-cheese fiscal costing platform, Page said. Former parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page and NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair pose in a photo from earlier this year. The NDP used Conservative Finance Minister Joe Olivers budget projections a document that now includes outdated forecasts to craft its balanced plan. The Tories budget, for example, planned for oil at US$67 a barrel in 2016, US$75 in 2017 and US$78 after that. A barrel of West Texas Intermediate the benchmark used for Canadian oil prices was trading at US$44.89 on Friday. When asked Friday why the NDP is basing its financial plan on oil rising to US$67 a barrel when most economists think the price will drop more, Mulcair insisted the party is being prudent. Our projections are responsible, theyre reasonable, they are sustainable and they are prudent, and we are basing ourselves on the best analysis from the best people in Ottawa, including the parliamentary budget officer and our own finance ministry, he said, without answering the question. This summer, the parliamentary budget officer used a July forecast from the Bank of Canada to revise the budgets numbers. Using the PBOs math and the NDPs own projections, HuffPost found that a Mulcair government would be in deficit in its first year in government by $1.94 billion unless it used the $3.5 billion employment insurance fund to pad its bottom line. When asked about Pages comments, Mulcair said he had a long and productive conversation with the former parliamentary budget officer. [H]e said that were being very prudent in our assessment and and he liked the fact that we were being transparent, Mulcair told reporters on Thursday. Page whose interview with HuffPost was interrupted while he took a call from Mulcair said he had been asked by the party Friday to correct or clarify his earlier comments, but had refused. I told them, Yeah, there are repercussions when you put out a document that is thin. You put Mr. Mulcair on the spot, Page said. Mulcair accused of 'fudging the books' Page said he didnt necessarily agree with everything said by his former boss, Scott Clark, the former deputy minister at the department of finance. Clark, who also served as an adviser to Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien, told HuffPost on Thursday that Mulcair was fudging the books and choosing a forecast that helps him out. It is possible high oil prices won't affect the budget's forecast too much because the department of finance has been known to offset a drop in oil prices through other means, Page said. On Friday, Page said he thinks the NDPs fiscal plan is prudent, but that the partys costing in later years when the NDPs new revenue sources ($7.54 billion) dont match their new spending ($11.3 billion) might raise some sustainability issues. Its an issue to have $7-8 billion worth of revenues and spending that is kind of climbing in the outer years. Like, where does that go after that? he asked. The NDP is planning to spend billions of dollars on a $15-a-day daycare plan that it says will be fully implemented in its second mandate. All parties should do feasibility studies every single year before taking big decisions, Page said. Im not a big person about balanced budgets. I dont think its such a big issue. For me, fiscal sustainability issues, passing debt onto future generations [thats a bigger issue.] You could run some deficits in the next few years, and thats not a big deal if the economy goes weak, Page added. Not a 'perfect world' I think the future question for Mr. Trudeau, Mr. Harper, Mr. Mulcair and Elizabeth is: What happens if the economy goes one way or the other way? How are you going to respond? So, yeah, youre going to balance the budget if the economy is 2.5 per cent next year, but what if it is not 2.5 per cent? What if it is one per cent? Do you still want to balance the budget? Those are questions [that should be] put to all of those people running. Page said that Mulcair is trying to do the right thing by putting out numbers so people can see where hes coming from, and that its now up to Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau and Conservative Leader Stephen Harper to follow suit. The NDP doesn't enjoy the advantage of an incumbent government in crafting a fiscal forecast, the former parliamentary budget officer noted. In a perfect world, maybe [Mulcair] would have had a different relationship, he would have had a research office or a relationship with a bank that could do these numbers, Page said of private-sector forecasts that Finance Canada uses. But honestly, he didnt have a perfect world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Wherever this came from I guess doesn't matter, blah blah blah, but why did you quote me? It neither responds to me or has anything to do with what my posted article said. Cause I don't like you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Cause I don't like youAw that hurts. I suggest you go somewhere and relax. Meanwhile, that budget blathering of course applies to all parties, not just the NDP. However, I would fully expect the incoming party to find a vast wealth of money to spend on whatever initiatives they have. The Conservatives have done a pretty poor job of keeping track of their spending, with large chunks of cash going to 'security' while cuts to things like the coast guard have been significant. Where's the money Steve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Now this is interesting Sorry I'm on my phone right now so the format may be odd. http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/09/18/opinion/canadians-get-gouged-pumps #33 of 34 articles from the Special Report: Tar Sands Reporting Project Fund this Report The Suncor Refinery outside of Fort McMurray with the Syncrude Refinery visible in the background. (Credit: Colin O'Connor, Greenpeace).. A huge disconnect exists between the price of crude oil and gasoline even though crude is the major component in a refiners cost. Big Oil is taking advantage of Canadians at the pumps. The Harper government seems worried voters might figure it out. When the election was called, Natural Resources Canada (NRCan) stopped producing the Fuel Focus Reportits bi-weekly window on economic drivers influencing gasoline prices intended to provide Canadians with regular information on the various aspects of the gasoline market in Canada. Obvious price gouging began to emerge in early March. The price of crude fell, but prices at the pump increased. Before Fuel Focus Report data was suspended in July, it showed Canadian refining and marketing margins hitting an all time high of 38.6 cents a litre (see figure 3 in this report). In Vancouver, it was 48.1 cents and in Toronto, 43.1. With further research, I determined that during August the upward trend continued, abating slightly in September but you cant see that in Fuel Focus. Between 2000 to 2014, refining and marketing margins averaged 17.7 cents a litre. For the first eight months of 2015, refining and marketing margins averaged 27.3 cents a litre. Canadians have forked over 10 cents a litre more for gasoline during the first two-thirds of this year than we paid on average over the previous fifteen. Thats a dime a litre going straight to the bottom line. Canadas largest oil producer and integrated refinery operator, Suncor, extracts about 550,000 barrels of crude per day and owns three Canadian refineries that supply more than 17 percent of the Canadian gasoline market. At Barclays Energy Conference in New York last week, CEO, Steve Williams said, We have too much cash on our balance sheet. We have cash in excess of 5 billion dollars we have 12 billion dollars in liquidity. We have been generating more cash than we anticipated. Big Oils gain is Canadas loss Big Oil is taking money from our pockets. Had more of the benefit from lower-priced crude been passed on to consumers and businesses, the Canadian economy would have received a positive offset. When refiners hoard benefits instead, money is locked away in corporate treasuries or distributed to primarily non-Canadian shareholders. Dividends sustained by revenue streams from abnormally high margins are a net drain from the Canadian economy. According to Bloomberg Business data, only forty percent of Suncors shares are held in Canada, while companies like Husky and Imperial Oil have fewer than 10 percent, with Shell, Chevron and Valero below three percent. Government Inaction Deepens Recession Big Oil is not only taking money out of our pockets. They are robbing the Canadian economy of a much-needed boost. When gasoline prices respond to a declining cost of crudewhich is the way markets are supposed to worklower production costs are passed through to consumers and business in the form of lower gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, heating oil and petrochemical product prices. Lower transportation and energy costs have a significant impact on consumer spending and non-oil sector business performance. This helps to generate employment in non-oil sector activity. Whats fascinating is that as we entered 2015, industry observers expected the decline in crude prices would be passed through to consumers and business in a more significant way than actual figures indicate. It was thought the market would functionally respond to lower input costs. Deputy Governor of the Bank of Canada, Rhys Mendes, explained to the Standing Committee on Finance in March that the rapid fall in oil prices is going to have both positive and negative effects on different sectors of the Canadian economy cheaper oil means more money in the pockets of individual consumers. They can either spend the additional disposable income or save it, and these decisions will matter for economic growth. Lower costs for firms that use oil as an input may lead to a rise in profits, output, and investment in non-oil related sectors of the economy. RBC's financial VP and chief economist, Craig Wright, explained to the Committee that although gas prices tend to go down more slowly than they go up, based on prices moving into 2015, he calculated the offset from gas savings alone would work out to about $11 billion equivalent tax cut for the Canadian consumers. Thats going to help. But lower prices have not materialized to the degree expected. Ten cents a litre in excessive margins at the pumps is a lot of money. So far, in September, average margins are over 30 cents a litre. If this continues, excess gasoline pricing will mean a loss of $5 billion in benefits to Canadian consumers and non-oil businesses by year end. When the disconnect materialized last spring, instead of taking action, the Harper government produced an industry-enabling rationale. Natural Resources Canada shored up refiners excessive pricing practices by suggesting Canadian-made petroleum products are sold in US dollars, but Canadians purchase gasoline with Canadian dollars. Petroleum products produced in Canadian refineries with Canadian employees for distribution to Canadian retail outlets across Canada are not sold in US dollars. Canada is a net exporter of petroleum productswe produce more gasoline than we needbut Natural Resources Canada would have us believe we import every litre of gasoline we consume from the United States. Thats how they justify U.S. prices inflated to Canadian dollars at the going exchange rate. The Harper government is worried Canadians will figure out the source of the gasoline pricing disconnect. NRCan staff stopped producing the bi-weekly Fuel Focus when the writ was dropped. Its latest issue, number thirteen, was released July 24. The departments website doesnt indicate that the publication has been halted. I had to contact NRCan directly to find out. I was informed the Fuel Focus Report will resume after October 19. Repeated requests for an explanation have gone unanswered. Fuel Focus is an important window on crude oil, marketing and refining margins, taxes and gasoline prices in Canada. Interrupting the creation of the data base while an election is on is like telling the Department of Finance to stop releasing information on Canadas fiscal position. I had a conference call scheduled September 8, 2015 with NRCan technical staff to arrange access to the missing data, discuss bloated margins and the crude-cost-to-gasoline-price disconnect. The conference call did not proceed. Staff appear to have been muzzled. Gasoline prices in Canada are disconnected from the costs of production. They are not driven by cost plus a reasonable return for capital invested. They are driven by what consumers are willing to pay. Canadians are deliberately being conditioned into accepting a new level of unfair marginsmargins that not only harm individuals and non-oil businesses, but the health of the Canadian macro-economy. When crude prices hovered around $100 a barrel we accepted pump prices of around $1.30 a litre. Refiners are relying on that price point to ratchet up their price-gouging behaviour. Any price lower than last years high feels like an improvement. Our willingness to pay is conditioned by what we paid in the past, but Its also forged by a belief that the government is watching out for us to make sure its fair. Instead, the Harper government is an active advocate rationalizing Big Oils excess. As Big Oils squeeze on Canadians tightens, Ottawa cuts off the flow of facts, hoping Canadians wont notice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Aw that hurts. I suggest you go somewhere and relax. Meanwhile, that budget blathering of course applies to all parties, not just the NDP. However, I would fully expect the incoming party to find a vast wealth of money to spend on whatever initiatives they have. The Conservatives have done a pretty poor job of keeping track of their spending, with large chunks of cash going to 'security' while cuts to things like the coast guard have been significant. Where's the money Steve? If you actually read the article I posted, "which Nobody will because it's not anti Harper" it shows that the NDP's budget is based on Harpers budget. Tom is also using extremely generous oil price forecast to favour his bottom line. I will go back to one of the first statements I ever made on this thread. All politicians are scum, but at least I know what scum I'm dealing with in Steven Harper. And as for warhippy's ongoing battle against big oil and corporations. How do you know the NDP and Liberals won't be strong armed just as much as the rest of the world? You really think these clowns are going to step on big oil when their budgets are planed off an inflated commodity price? Hahaha Tom can't wait to bow down to big oil. And if you are so worried about corps running this country and stealing money from our pockets, do yourself a favour and take it back by purchasing their publicly traded stock. NDP, Libs, Con, Obama, the pope, aliens are powerless to stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 And if you are so worried about corps running this country and stealing money from our pockets, do yourself a favour and take it back by purchasing their publicly traded stock. NDP, Libs, Con, Obama, the pope, aliens are powerless to stop them. You think oil prices done falling? It's a good theory. But the thing is, unless you have a sizeable portfolio a few dividends and equity appreciation generally don't add up to much, never mind the prospect of losing your life savings, especially for seniors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 If you actually read the article I posted, "which Nobody will because it's not anti Harper" it shows that the NDP's budget is based on Harpers budget. Tom is also using extremely generous oil price forecast to favour his bottom line. I will go back to one of the first statements I ever made on this thread. All politicians are scum, but at least I know what scum I'm dealing with in Steven Harper. And as for warhippy's ongoing battle against big oil and corporations. How do you know the NDP and Liberals won't be strong armed just as much as the rest of the world? You really think these clowns are going to step on big oil when their budgets are planed off an inflated commodity price? Hahaha Tom can't wait to bow down to big oil. And if you are so worried about corps running this country and stealing money from our pockets, do yourself a favour and take it back by purchasing their publicly traded stock. NDP, Libs, Con, Obama, the pope, aliens are powerless to stop them.Um, all budgets by all parties will be based on the current budget. However, it's doubtful we can trust any Conservative numbers now, due to their massive cuts to simple things like the collection of data. Meanwhile, they slashed programs to bare bones just to give the illusion of balancing their numbers, which is funny because their numbers are largely based on fiction anyway. And these are your 'experts' on the Canadian economy. Good God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 If you actually read the article I posted, "which Nobody will because it's not anti Harper" it shows that the NDP's budget is based on Harpers budget. Tom is also using extremely generous oil price forecast to favour his bottom line. I will go back to one of the first statements I ever made on this thread. All politicians are scum, but at least I know what scum I'm dealing with in Steven Harper. And as for warhippy's ongoing battle against big oil and corporations. How do you know the NDP and Liberals won't be strong armed just as much as the rest of the world? You really think these clowns are going to step on big oil when their budgets are planed off an inflated commodity price? Hahaha Tom can't wait to bow down to big oil. And if you are so worried about corps running this country and stealing money from our pockets, do yourself a favour and take it back by purchasing their publicly traded stock. NDP, Libs, Con, Obama, the pope, aliens are powerless to stop them. Than. Please. Do tell. Now that every single complaint you have about the NDP and Libs has been basically put to rest. Why do you rail against them so? Rather curious to hear about that as all 3 platforms have been identified as being almost indistinguishable from each other for taxation and corporate interests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Now this is interesting Sorry I'm on my phone right now so the format may be odd.http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/09/18/opinion/canadians-get-gouged-pumps #33 of 34 articles from the Special Report: Tar Sands Reporting Project Fund this Report The Suncor Refinery outside of Fort McMurray with the Syncrude Refinery visible in the background. (Credit: Colin O'Connor, Greenpeace).. A huge disconnect exists between the price of crude oil and gasoline even though crude is the major component in a refiners cost. Big Oil is taking advantage of Canadians at the pumps.The Harper government seems worried voters might figure it out. I don't really understand how Harper benefits from Canadians paying more than they should for gas... Nor do I see how he can control it. I'd never heard of the National Observer before, so I decided to check out some of their articles. Not surprisingly, almost the entire main page is dedicated to anti-Harper articles. Now I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve criticism for many things, but this particular publication seems to be very biased against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I don't really understand how Harper benefits from Canadians paying more than they should for gas... Nor do I see how he can control it. I'd never heard of the National Observer before, so I decided to check out some of their articles. Not surprisingly, almost the entire main page is dedicated to anti-Harper articles. Now I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve criticism for many things, but this particular publication seems to be very biased against him. My main stay from that is the fact that indeed specific reports DID disappear almost overnight when the price discrepancy between the upstream and downstream product became so very apparent. Harper, the government benefit from this in the form of higher taxes by the by. It's a circular pattern of taxation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 We should focus on other things as well as the economy. The more the rhetoric is focused on the economy and the budget, the better the chances harper has. The Globe & Mail debate in and of itself is biased as it is focused on the economy. Conservative media doing their part in helping Harper. Talk about other things and Harper's record falls apart. Healthcare, infrastructure, education, democracy, environment, etc. Put a spot light on these things already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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