Reports Patrick Kane is under police investigation.

[Neversummer]

She should be able to go wherever she wants whenever she wants whether she is drunk or not without the consequence being rape. This argument is complete BS and if this did happen its 100% not her fault for going over to his house. Give your head a shake man.

Absolutely %100 percent yes.

In fact, even if she told him all night that they were going to have sex and that he took her home for that very purpose, If she changed her mind or if she was so intoxicated that she could not give consent it is a case of rape.

If I, as a man was drinking at a bar with Patrick Kane and he invited me back to his place, I think I'd probably go. No one would question my judgment or my motives and if he raped me no one would claim that I was somehow to blame. This is a case of Male privilege and it is wrong

You two need to give your own heads a shake. While 99% or even 100% of people agree with you that no one deserves the consequence of being raped regardless of circumstances ... what we're talking about is prudence, common sense, and real life conduct.

Just because I think anyone should be able to walk around streets freely without getting robbed or mugged, it doesn't mean that I throw wisdom out the door and walk in the seediest parts of town in the middle of the night.

What is it about partying till 4:00 am, drunk, and going over to a guy's house afterwards is a bad/terrible idea, don't you understand?

[BeefcakeBo]

You two need to give your own heads a shake. While 99% or even 100% of people agree with you that no one deserves the consequence of being raped regardless of circumstances ... what we're talking about is prudence, common sense, and real life conduct.

Just because I think anyone should be able to walk around streets freely without getting robbed or mugged, it doesn't mean that I throw wisdom out the door and walk in the seediest parts of town in the middle of the night.

What is it about partying till 4:00 am, drunk, and going over to a guy's house afterwards is a bad/terrible idea, don't you understand?

I have to agree with you on this one. It's not victim blaming, it's just saying that she didn't make a particularly good decision.

Going to a guys house, drunk at 4 am isn't a particularly good idea if you don't want to have sex/get raped. Not her fault if she did, just it would have been a lot less likely if she didn't go to his house drunk at 4 am.

Same could be said about various other comparables. If I walked around down in the hood at 4 am drunk with 10k in my bag and got robbed, everyone here would be calling me a f*ckin moron, not going on about how awful if was that someone robbed me. It still however wouldn't make the guy robbing me less guilty or a better person.

[R3aL]

Interesting to see how this rolls out. Either way I hope they get it right.

Since they are gathering evidence and building a case or determining whether there even is a case to build:

-If she is lying or pressing charges over a drunken mistake I hope all is forgotten and she gets charged.

-If Kane truly did whatever it is they are exactly investigating I hope they come down hard on him to set an example.

If Kane is guilty and gets jail time does that = instant /dynasty or does Teurvo shock the world and fill his large gloves?

Either way pretty terrible story for the blackhawks and the league..

[Alflives]

Interesting to see how this rolls out. Either way I hope they get it right.

Since they are gathering evidence and building a case or determining whether there even is a case to build:

-If she is lying or pressing charges over a drunken mistake I hope all is forgotten and she gets charged.

-If Kane truly did whatever it is they are exactly investigating I hope they come down hard on him to set an example.

If Kane is guilty and gets jail time does that = instant /dynasty or does Teurvo shock the world and fill his large gloves?

Either way pretty terrible story for the blackhawks and the league..

It's terrible for the young woman, and her family too.

[R3aL]

It's terrible for the young woman, and her family too.

Well of course, awful either way.

[Borvat]

You mean like when the supreme court of the US said that segregated schools are unconstitutional?

(Brown v. Board of Education)

Freedom of the Press (New York Times vs. United States 1971)?

Rights when detained by police (Miranda vs. Arizona 1966) ?

Right to an attorney ( Gideon vs. Wainwright 1963) ?

Change happens in courts all the time. Same sex marriages have gone through the Supreme Court.

Those are laws, not change.

Did changing segregated schools end racism.

Did freedom of the press change errant reporting or fabricated stories.

Did right to an attorney stop crime or stop wrongful convicitons or fabricated and false evidence (lying)

Change isn't a law or decree, change comes from people changing what they think, say and do.

Courts also make poor decisions. Court decisions are usually a reflection of the society they serve, again it comes back to people.

[Alflives]

Those are laws, not change.

Did changing segregated schools end racism.

Did freedom of the press change errant reporting or fabricated stories.

Did right to an attorney stop crime or stop wrongful convicitons or fabricated and false evidence (lying)

Change isn't a law or decree, change comes from people changing what they think, say and do.

Courts also make poor decisions. Court decisions are usually a reflection of the society they serve, again it comes back to people.

For true revolution to occur takes a great deal of time. These laws, as you state, are only part of a greater process. However, they are necessary cornerstones of awareness.

[Big Data Shoes]

EA tweeted that Patrick Kane will no longer be on the cover of NHL 16

[Heretic]

EA tweeted that Patrick Kane will no longer be on the cover of NHL 16

Yep:

TSN retweeted

SportsCentre ‏@SportsCentre 4m4 minutes ago

JUST IN: @EASPORTS announces Patrick Kane will no longer be a spokesperson for their upcoming #NHL16 video game.

[wtpasc]

You two need to give your own heads a shake. While 99% or even 100% of people agree with you that no one deserves the consequence of being raped regardless of circumstances ... what we're talking about is prudence, common sense, and real life conduct.

Just because I think anyone should be able to walk around streets freely without getting robbed or mugged, it doesn't mean that I throw wisdom out the door and walk in the seediest parts of town in the middle of the night.

What is it about partying till 4:00 am, drunk, and going over to a guy's house afterwards is a bad/terrible idea, don't you understand?

You equate socializing with a person that you think you are safe with to walking around the seediest part of town in the middle of the night.

Again I'll ask, would it have been a bad idea for I to follow Kane home that night to check out his mansion and trophy case?

No, because I'm a man and I have the privilege of not having to expect that I may be in danger.

It's misogyny plain and simple.

[DeNiro]

EA tweeted that Patrick Kane will no longer be on the cover of NHL 16

Not surprising. He's likely gonna be too busy the next little while.

[73 Percent]

You equate socializing with a person that you think you are safe with to walking around the seediest part of town in the middle of the night.

Again I'll ask, would it have been a bad idea for I to follow Kane home that night to check out his mansion and trophy case?

No, because I'm a man and I have the privilege of not having to expect that I may be in danger.

It's misogyny plain and simple.

Ronda rousey wouldn't have a problem following him home either. When you can easily be physically overpowered by a stranger or a group, its best to stay away when that person or group is heavily intoxicated.

Its common sense. You're trying to make it not so. Is it smart for a boy to accept a candy from a female stranger in a white van with painted over windows?

Gender has little to do with it.

[Jägermeister]

Yep:

TSN retweeted

SportsCentre ‏@SportsCentre 4m4 minutes ago

JUST IN: @EASPORTS announces Patrick Kane will no longer be a spokesperson for their upcoming #NHL16 video game.

Hooray for caving to PR pressure towards a guy who may not have even done anything wrong!

I'm not going to guess as to whether he did it or not, but the very fact that someone saying it did can have such a negative impact on the accused is bloody ridiculous.

[poetica]

"Common sense" is something that is, by definition, common. If it is "common sense" to say, "No! You might be a rapist!" when a star athlete asks you to come back to his house then the same answer would be required regardless of gender. But it's not, is it? Just as it's not when you're asked to share a 2-bed hotel room with a coworker for a conference, or when you go to a house party and get so drunk you pass out. What is so often called "common sense" for women isn't common at all. It's gender specific. And whether you want to admit it or not, it is victim blaming.

When we tell women to use our "common sense" and alter how we dress and act, and where we go we are really saying that rape and sexual assault only happen because women did those things. We imply that women have the power to stop rape and sexual assault if only we would learn to control ourselves. We also tell sexists and misogynists that they are allowed to use threats and violence as a means of demeaning and controlling women, as a way of limiting women's freedom. We tell them that they can do whatever they want to women because it's really women's fault anyway for doing something or being somewhere she wasn't supposed to. We tell them that they alone have the right to exist safely in public spaces and private places while women should be forced to live in constant fear.

We see blatant examples of this in places like Egypt where a disgusting 97% of women say they've suffered street harassment. We see this in India, where street harassment and sexual assault are so common they're having to create women-only transportation to ensure women can still work and move around in the world at least some of the time in relative safety and even still women there are told they shouldn't go out alone, even in the daytime, and should never go out at night because if they do they're only inviting rape. We see it in places like Afghanistan, where misogynists in power say the restrictions they put on women are for their "own good", forcing women to literally cover themselves from head to toe and remain prisoners in their own homes, unable to leave without a close male relative escort and even still they live under the constant fear of rape to such a degree that some commit suicide whenever there's a change in local power because they know that women are treated as the "spoils of war", allowing them to be raped and even sold into prostitution. So, if the level of gender specific restriction those women are forced to endure isn't enough to stop rape why can't we finally admit that the problem was never with women's behavior at all? That blatant truth should be what we call "common sense."

But it's not. No, instead even here we tell women don't go out alone at night. Don't get drunk at a party. Don't wear anything too skimpy. Don't invite a guy back to your place or go back to his. Don't ever be alone with any man you aren't willing to have sex with. We blame the victim, telling her that it's her responsibility to ensure her safety from another person's actions. We pretend that if only women would protect ourselves that rape would stop happening. In short, we lie like the weak cowards we are, too afraid of change to ever face the truth.

But here's the thing, this "common sense" women need to display to avoid sexual assault isn't just hurting us. And it is hurting us. Greatly. But it's hurting men too. Every time a man genuinely trying to be nice offers a woman a ride home and she looks like she's thinking about it and then says, "No, thanks. I'll get the bus." and he knows it's because she's afraid of him, every time a man sees a woman on the street at night and she moves away from him out of fear even though he hasn't done anything to threaten her, every time a man invites a woman obviously into him back to his place for more conversation, drinks and maybe more if they both want it but but she pauses and then says, "No, I better go home." even though he's pretty sure she'd actually like to say yes, "common sense" is why.

See, the thing is women know that the overwhelming majority of men have not nor will ever commit rape. Most of you are not domestic abusers or threats of any kind. Most of you are just people, some good, some jerks, but most are not violent criminals. We know that. But here's the truth those of you promoting the "common sense" approach to women avoiding sexual assault need to realize: YOU told us to treat each and every one of you as if you were a rapist or a domestic abuser or murderer. In fact, you demanded it.

Every time you told a woman, "Don't go out at night by yourself, it's not safe!" you not only told her that the world belongs to men and women have no right to exist in it safely but that every man is a rapist or murderer merely waiting for the opportunity to strike. Every time you say, "How could you get into a car with a man you barely know? Don't you know what could have happened to you?!" you tell us that every man offering us a ride is a potential threat and that we are responsible for treating each and every one as such. Every time you ask women what they were wearing or how they were acting before they were harassed or assaulted you tell us that men are animals incapable of controlling your own behavior and becoming violent with the slightest provocation. When you tell women to use our "common sense" to avoid sexual assault you mandate women viewing men as nothing more than predators. You unfairly brand yourselves just as surely as you unduly burden us.

So, please, stop it! Stop telling women it's our responsibility to limit ourselves, to carefully follow this never ending list of "common sense" restrictions placed on women and girls alone in hopes of avoiding sexual assault. Start telling men rape, harassment, and domestic violence are not okay. Start telling men that it doesn't matter what women wear or say or do, that they are grownups responsible for their own actions. Start using your actual common sense and see that the real root of the problem is some men's behavior, not all women's.

[AriGold]

[HerrDrFunk]

Hooray for caving to PR pressure towards a guy who may not have even done anything wrong!

I'm not going to guess as to whether he did it or not, but the very fact that someone saying it did can have such a negative impact on the accused is bloody ridiculous.

It's not caving in this case tough. EA just considered what an absolute PR nightmare it would be if it does turn out he did it and made the smart business move.

[Joker]

We see blatant examples of this in places like Egypt where a disgusting 97% of women say they've suffered street harassment. We see this in India, where street harassment and sexual assault are so common they're having to create women-only transportation to ensure women can still work and move around in the world at least some of the time in relative safety and even still women there are told they shouldn't go out alone, even in the daytime, and should never go out at night because if they do they're only inviting rape. We see it in places like Afghanistan, where misogynists in power say the restrictions they put on women are for their "own good", forcing women to literally cover themselves from head to toe and remain prisoners in their own homes, unable to leave without a close male relative escort and even still they live under the constant fear of rape to such a degree that some commit suicide whenever there's a change in local power because they know that women are treated as the "spoils of war", allowing them to be raped and even sold into prostitution. So, if the level of gender specific restriction those women are forced to endure isn't enough to stop rape why can't we finally admit that the problem was never with women's behavior at all? That blatant truth should be what we call "common sense."

Just to add, it's common because the authorities in India are horrendous. Do you know how easy it is to actually bribe an officer? Give them a few hundred rupees and you're good to go. The cops there are corrupt, which is why hardly anything happens to the rapist. I feel horrible for the women who have to endure that, but that is what happens when people don't care.

[Jägermeister]

It's not caving in this case tough. EA just considered what an absolute PR nightmare it would be if it does turn out he did it and made the smart business move.

Well yeah, so they're caving.

Not saying it isn't a smart business move, and I don't really blame EA on this at all. It's just ridiculous that such a move was even needed since nobody even knows if he did anything at this point.

[BeefcakeBo]

Well yeah, so they're caving.

Not saying it isn't a smart business move, and I don't really blame EA on this at all. It's just ridiculous that such a move was even needed since nobody even knows if he did anything at this point.

Except he is being investigated, so it's much more likely to turn into a mess. They are just being proactive.

[Heretic]

Hooray for caving to PR pressure towards a guy who may not have even done anything wrong!

I'm not going to guess as to whether he did it or not, but the very fact that someone saying it did can have such a negative impact on the accused is bloody ridiculous.

Not ridiculous at all.

He shouldn't have put himself in a situation like that.

Just like when I coached Ringette - I never put myself in a situation where I was the lone adult with the girls - I always made sure a female adult was with me.

I knew a coach that didn't do that.

He got accused of sexual harassment by 3 or 4 girls on a team he was coaching.

It affected him and his family greatly.

He was immediately dismissed as a coach.

After the investigation, one of the girls confessed that it was a joke because they didn't like him.

He never coached again.