cripplereh Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 If I was benning the Sedin's said they would move to a contender so Detroit seems like a spot they would go. Sedin's + Hamhuis + 4th and 7th for Tatar or Adelkader + Brendan Smith + either Athansiou or Larkin + Sproul and a 1st next year and 2nd year after This will give us more depth and make us younger,plus make our D better and picks! Detroit will get a chance at winning a cup now which we might have to keep salary and at the deadline we will have Vrbata to get us something aswell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 1. When did the Sedins say they would move? 2. When did Tatar's value equal Abdelkader's? 3. When did Detroit become a contender again? I'd rather trade them to Tampa, you'd get more. But they're not going anywhere until the final year of their contract, if they go at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 It would have to be Tatar, Smith, Larkin, Sproul, a 1st and a 2nd for me to even consider that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 With this trade Detroit would be a contender a top 3 team.Team 1040 in a interview heard the Sedin'd would consider moving to a contender and has been stated many times since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 With this trade Detroit would be a contender a top 3 team.Team 1040 in a interview heard the Sedin'd would consider moving to a contender and has been stated many times since. No way Detroit considers this. Not only does it gut their team moving forward. But they take on $18.5 million in cap and only send out at most $4.5 million. That's tough to do for a team that currently has less than $1m in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 No way Detroit considers this. Not only does it gut their team moving forward. But they take on $18.5 million in cap and only send out at most $4.5 million. That's tough to do for a team that currently has less than $1m in cap space.But but but the Sedins said they would be okay with a trade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirbs11 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Well i am pretty sure you can only retain 50% so trading the Sedins and Hamhuis at 50% they still have 9.25 cap hit that detroit needs room for. Even taking Tatar and Smith back they are still going to be 3Mil over the cap. NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN, but If we are going to go with a Crazy trade the Sedins and Hamhuis idea pick I would pick Anaheim. they have 12 Million in cap space. and have to sign Haglin and who say will Sign at 3.5 ish leaving them with 8.5 million in Cap space. Sedins+Hamhuis all 50% retained For Theodore, Ritchie, Horcoff and 2016 1st. 2017 1st(We take Horcoff to help salary wise) for the playoffs Anaheim lines could be Perry-Getzlaf-Haglin Sedin-Sedin-Kesler Silfverberg-Cogliano-Stewart Maroon-Thompson-Sekac Hamhuis-Fowler Bieksa-Lindholm Vatenen-Despres Looks like a good chance at winning to me, and the oppertunity to ice that line up Anaheim would be okay with giving up some future pieces, 1. Because they have 4 young NHL Dmen right now as well as 4 more good prospects. 2. giving up Ritchie hurts there pool but having Silfverberg, Haglin and Rakell as young NHL players helps now. 3 The 2 1sts are likley to be late in the round and comparable to a high 2nd not knowing if the player will pan out is a gamble worth taking for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessnuck27 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Colorado gets H. Sedin, D. Sedin 50% retained Vancouver gets Nathan Mackinnon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Theodore, Ritchie, Horcoff and 2016 1st. 2017 1st(We take Horcoff to help salary wise) It can't happen for that price. That's about 4 mil off, which means you're going to have to take another 4 mil off again. I'd take Perry if he's declined enough by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Detroit is still contending and has still been going for the Cup the last 5 years while adding younger pieces on the fly. Very similar to Vancouver, to take pressure off Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, and Kronwall they've brought in Stephen Weiss, Erik Cole, Marek Zidlicky, Brad Richards, and Mike Green. Now only B. Richards and Green remain as they were this years FA signings. To replace their veterans in a few years they've very successfully developed Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, DeKeyser, and B. Smith. Close behind in being big time pieces for them are, Jurco, Mantha, Pulkkinen, Ouellet, Sproul, and Larkin. They don't need the Sedin's and there would be no room for them anyway, Detroit would not Trade Tatar or Nyquist in a deal for them. They are also $799, 545 over the cap and so it would definitely not work right now at least. Franzen may be injured right now but he can still be a huge piece of he gets healthy, he had 22 points in 33 games last season before going down, and he's still excellent on his edges with his size in the corners. Their veterans can still produce and push for a Cup now, and their younger players are already producing like veterans and there are more coming, they have plenty of unique talent in the pool. I wouldn't do the above Trade mentioned from our standpoint anyway, the Sedin's will likely be able to continue being at least 50 point players for another four years. They put up 70 plus points last year each individually, they still outscore Toews even! They could be like Jagr or Chelios and play on past 40, if the Red Wings did take on the Sedin's to put them over the top I would want the deal to look like this. To Detroit: D. Sedin-(25 % retained) H. Sedin-(25 % retained) To Vancouver: Franzen-(If proven healthy) Kindl Jurco Nastasiuk 1st round draft pick 2016 (Conditional) 2nd round draft pick 2017 If Franzen isn't healthy/producing enough then we will ask for something else, Abdelkader and Helm would not be part of the deal as they are pending UFA's, Detroit will probably not include Sproul, I think they see him as they're too D prospect with the potential to be a big part of their blueline moving forward, DeKeyser, Smith are anchored in to the future of their top 4 and are not going anywhere. Jurco can potentially replace the type of skill set Daniel brought on the wing, and Kindl helps balance the cap in this deal and he could help our D, he's very underrated and I love his 2-way game. Nastasiuk could be a part of our top 6/9 moving forward and he's a Benning type player who would fit in with Sutter, Horvat, Virtanen, Kenins, and Grenier. And if Franzen is healthy and producing then he's a huge boost to our line-up now, he's bigger then anyone on our team and a size upgrade on Daniel, he could thrive in our environment and he's an excellent cycle game player. He would also be a perfect mentor to Virtanen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 50% off Both Sedins to Tampa for Drouin 1st, ( that Russian goalie ) And Someone else lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Because Vancouver would Trade the Sedin's for a still very unproven and raw Drouin who could wind up only a 40-50 point player or worse, and Tampa is not Trading Andre Vasilevskiy (which is his name by the way), he's next in line after Bishop and already played well in the Cup Final. Besides we don't need Drouin on the left wing, we have similar potential top six guys in Baertschi and Shinkaruk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirbs11 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It can't happen for that price. That's about 4 mil off, which means you're going to have to take another 4 mil off again. I'd take Perry if he's declined enough by then. What do you mean its 4 mill off?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 What do you mean its 4 mill off?? Never mind. didn't see the 50% off. Which, actually, you can only do that for one Sedin because of Luongo. Anaheim has 12 mil. Their side of the deal gives them between 15 and 16 mil of cap space. You have the Sedins, which, you can only retain one. So 3.5+7+4.25 = ~15 mil. It makes it extremely tight for Anaheim, but if they want to win a Cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 To Detroit: D. Sedin-(25 % retained) H. Sedin-(25 % retained) To Vancouver: Franzen-(If proven healthy) Kindl Jurco Nastasiuk 1st round draft pick 2016 (Conditional) 2nd round draft pick 2017 I like most of that, with the exception of Kindl. IMO he's in the mold of Sbisa, decent depth guy who never really lived up to their billing (in the WAR charts he mostly has 1st pair stats but I'm not sure how much sample size may factor into that). At age 28 I doubt he'll reach that projected level now. Dekeyser, Kronwall, Ericsson and Green are in their top 4 D-men but not sure any of them would get let go, and Kindl could simply continue to wallow in mediocrity. Wonder if we could get Killorn, (another roster guy), Koekkoek, Erne and 1st and 2nd from TB? Either deal I'll be down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I like most of that, with the exception of Kindl. IMO he's in the mold of Sbisa, decent depth guy who never really lived up to their billing (in the WAR charts he mostly has 1st pair stats but I'm not sure how much sample size may factor into that). At age 28 I doubt he'll reach that projected level now. Dekeyser, Kronwall, Ericsson and Green are in their top 4 D-men but not sure any of them would get let go, and Kindl could simply continue to wallow in mediocrity. Wonder if we could get Killorn, (another roster guy), Koekkoek, Erne and 1st and 2nd from TB? Either deal I'll be down. Detroit apparently has tried to Trade Kindl several times, but nothing came of him when he was on the market due to teams likely thinking his cap hit is too high for a defenseman who is a healthy scratch at times. I agree with your comparison of him to Sbisa, but with Kindl he is a late bloomer and he was drafted way before Sbisa (Kindl was drafted 19th overall in 2005 and Sbisa was drafted 19th overall in 2008). Also Kindl hasn't really been given a top four chance, every time he steps into the line-up he's been very productive for the Wings, I think that's why Detroit thought they could Trade him, probably thought he had a better chance on a different team. About your Lightning Trade package, I think your right on that Killorn would be the main piece, he's exactly the type of player we've been acquiring and drafting, and what Desjardins wants on the ice.'Tampa would give him up in a deal for the Sedin's, they're too crowded at forward albeit the Sedin's would push the whole team higher now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 People suggesting Anaheim are forgetting their internal cap (like Nashville). Trading the Sedins just doesnt work cap wise generally, and I doubt any team is going to be willing to pay anywhere near the prices you guys are looking for. No team wants to destroy their teams prospect depth for rentals, even for rentals as good as the Sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 How about...no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 This makes no sense on so many levels lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 People suggesting Anaheim are forgetting their internal cap (like Nashville). Trading the Sedins just doesnt work cap wise generally, and I doubt any team is going to be willing to pay anywhere near the prices you guys are looking for. No team wants to destroy their teams prospect depth for rentals, even for rentals as good as the Sedins. They are anything but rentals as they have 3 years left what are you smoking????Two top 20 players and a D man that has great hockey sence!!!most teams would give all they could to get 3 players like that and could with one trade!The Red Wings would be the most likely to win the cup with a trade like this and we would get back enough for us to be considered a contender in 2 to 3 years so makes sence for both teams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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