kloubek Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 32 minutes ago, cyoung said: Being a minus player on of the worst teams in the league doesn't mean a whole lot. His game is obviously meant to be offensive, but at the same time the reason he gets the minutes he does is because he can hold his own at the nhl level. Subban can't even at the ahl level. Not saying barrie is good in his own end but he certainly isn't horrid. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 hours ago, Alflives said: So you are saying that Subban and Barrie are similar? Hahahah you always crack me up Alf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 01/11/2017 at 2:49 PM, cyoung said: Being a minus player on of the worst teams in the league doesn't mean a whole lot. His game is obviously meant to be offensive, but at the same time the reason he gets the minutes he does is because he can hold his own at the nhl level. Subban can't even at the ahl level. Not saying barrie is good in his own end but he certainly isn't horrid. Being the worst minus player ofn the worst team in the league means a whole lot. It means you shouldn't be in the league - you should be in a lower league. And now that Subban is the worst player on the Comets, he should be in an even lower league, like the ECHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horvats_Big_Head Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Upon my return, I wanted to apologize as I did not realize how much I was upsetting people with my comments. I only have the best intentions. Having said that, its sad, but not surprising, to see Jordan Subban continue to struggle at the AHL level. Its almost as if his game has regressed beyond repair. This is simply a case of a player who says all the right things but at the end of the day is not qualified to be a NHL hockey player. No shame in that, since most people aren't. It must be upsetting for him though, especially given where is brother is. He claimed he was going to watch/study Ryan Ellis and "knock down the door" at training camp. He had one nice goal in preseason and thats about all I noticed him (aside from the bad stuff). And now a -3 the other night, and apparently he has totally lost the ability to man a PP? That is supposed to be his one strength that he could possibly perform at the NHL level. Struggling with this against AHLers? It might be time to do what one poster above mentioned, take old yeller out back and put him out of his misery. Or at least throw him into a trade as an extra piece to another team willing to give him a chance, if that exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 16 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Being the worst minus player ofn the worst team in the league means a whole lot. It means you shouldn't be in the league - you should be in a lower league. And now that Subban is the worst player on the Comets, he should be in an even lower league, like the ECHL. Wrong. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 On 2017-11-04 at 2:01 PM, cyoung said: Wrong. Lol Don't know why you lol, Subban has but one point in 7 games. He is responsible for 20% of the Comet's team minuses at -4. If you had seen him at the young stars you would have seen just how little interest he has in defending. His gap control is awful and his side to side setup is even worse. He can't or won't separate anyone from the puck, and because his positioning is so bad, he also has a poor stick. In addition, he is not a good passer, and does not have great vision. On the positive side, his has good wheels they enable him to escape his own zone - if and when he can get the puck. He can get his shot through and on the net, he moves up well following the rush. But he is a defence man, and if he can't play defence he will never get an NHL job. With the improving talent in Utica, he will be lucky to keep an AHL job. There is a reason he has never had a shot in the NHL - he hasn't earned one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said: Don't know why you lol, Subban has but one point in 7 games. He is responsible for 20% of the Comet's team minuses at -4. If you had seen him at the young stars you would have seen just how little interest he has in defending. His gap control is awful and his side to side setup is even worse. He can't or won't separate anyone from the puck, and because his positioning is so bad, he also has a poor stick. In addition, he is not a good passer, and does not have great vision. On the positive side, his has good wheels they enable him to escape his own zone - if and when he can get the puck. He can get his shot through and on the net, he moves up well following the rush. But he is a defence man, and if he can't play defence he will never get an NHL job. With the improving talent in Utica, he will be lucky to keep an AHL job. There is a reason he has never had a shot in the NHL - he hasn't earned one. I don't think you are following the whole conversation. I'm not saying Subban is good lol, I'm saying barrie is good or at least miles ahead of Subban Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyStrecher Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Subban will never make it to the NHL as a consistent top 6 d-man. His defensive play leaves too much to be desired. He's been passed by Hutton, Stecher, Juolevi, Pouliot, Holm, McEneny, Chatfield, Brisebois, Candella and even Ashton Sautner in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 15 hours ago, TonyStrecher said: Subban will never make it to the NHL as a consistent top 6 d-man. His defensive play leaves too much to be desired. He's been passed by Hutton, Stecher, Juolevi, Pouliot, Holm, McEneny, Chatfield, Brisebois, Candella and even Ashton Sautner in my opinion. I tend to agree but I think its wrong to give up on him already. He is only 22 and all he needs to do is hone his defensive game. Fortunately for him the Comets have the perfect coach to do that. I won't be giving up on him yet but he needs to show a lot of improvement this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJSkingz Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 As much as I hate to say it, I really don't see Subban getting a decent chance with the Canucks. I still think he can be a decent PP specialist in the NHL as a bottom pairing defenceman but not with our team. I do hope he gets a chance one day with another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 26 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: I tend to agree but I think its wrong to give up on him already. He is only 22 and all he needs to do is hone his defensive game. Fortunately for him the Comets have the perfect coach to do that. I won't be giving up on him yet but he needs to show a lot of improvement this year I'm not sure Cull is going to get any more out of Subban than Green did. Cull has made Jordan a healthy scratch at a higher rate than Green used to and replaced him on the first PP unit with Holm. Under Cull, Subban's offensive numbers have dried up to almost nothing (one point in eight games) while showing no improvement in the defensive zone. To be honest I haven't been impressed with Cull and it's not just because of Subban. The team doesn't look prepared to play at the start of games and has no identity for what kind of a style that they want to play. And when you have only 4 players on the ice for extended periods of time last night with no one on the bench noticing they start to look like the competency of an average bantam house coaching staff. That happened twice last night including one stretch for about 30 seconds late in a game while trailing by two goals. To make up for that Cull decided to pull the goalie shortly after with just over 3:00 left in the game. I should give him some credit for remembering to put out a 6th skater when he pulled Bachman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 On 11/3/2017 at 9:11 PM, Ray_Cathode said: Being the worst minus player ofn the worst team in the league means a whole lot. It means you shouldn't be in the league - you should be in a lower league. And now that Subban is the worst player on the Comets, he should be in an even lower league, like the ECHL. Not even sure if you meant this for real. I hope you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 On 11/4/2017 at 10:17 AM, Horvats_Big_Head said: ... its sad, but not surprising, to see Jordan Subban continue to struggle at the AHL level. ... It might be time to do what one poster above mentioned, take old yeller out back and put him out of his misery. Or at least throw him into a trade as an extra piece to another team willing to give him a chance, if that exists. Some in the past have suggested trying him at forward. I wasn't in favour originally, thinking he should get more time to develop at his current position, taking into account his ability on the rush. He didn't have a strong preseason and has been healthy scratch 3 of the last 7 games in Utica. He hasn't had a good start to the season. I don't know the Canucks' thinking about him, but if they see the chances of him playing for them as a defenceman being remote it is possible the time is near to try him in a different position. It is also fairly likely that there would be some trade interest and the Canucks might pick up a young prospect in return. Iirc I saw UticaHockey mention a rumour involving Curtis Valk. That wouldn't help the Canucks any, but it would help fill a gaping center-ice need on the Comets. I'm not arguing that the Canucks should or shouldn't give up on Subban, just that if he isn't in their plans I'd rather see them get some use or return for a player who has some obvious skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, tyhee said: Some in the past have suggested trying him at forward. I wasn't in favour originally, thinking he should get more time to develop at his current position, taking into account his ability on the rush. He didn't have a strong preseason and has been healthy scratch 3 of the last 7 games in Utica. He hasn't had a good start to the season. I don't know the Canucks' thinking about him, but if they see the chances of him playing for them as a defenceman being remote it is possible the time is near to try him in a different position. It is also fairly likely that there would be some trade interest and the Canucks might pick up a young prospect in return. Iirc I saw UticaHockey mention a rumour involving Curtis Valk. That wouldn't help the Canucks any, but it would help fill a gaping center-ice need on the Comets. I'm not arguing that the Canucks should or shouldn't give up on Subban, just that if he isn't in their plans I'd rather see them get some use or return for a player who has some obvious skill. It would be best for Subban and the Canucks to move on from one another. I would like to see him traded, but not for a player. Best to move him out for a late LATE round pick, and free up his contract spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Too much competition to make the Canucks, and soon the Comets. He isn't progressing, he isn't fine-tuning his defensive game, did he even learn anything from "studying" Ellis during last playoffs? Maybe he could be an extra piece in a trade to MTL? I'm sure they miss PK, so why not take his brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I would like to see him used as a forward. Alex Burrows was a defenseman in junior I believe and changed when he turned pro. This would allow him to be that specialist on the point on the power play and be a forward where his size would be less of a detriment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Definitely not an encouraging start for Subban. What I hope is happening is that he's going through something similar to what happened with Virtanen last season. Getting some tough love, breaking down his game, rebuilding it, and becoming a more complete player as a result. Cull did say he had a plan for Subban. Right now, it kind of looks like that plan is not using him, but this could just be stage one. It's possible they're fine tuning some things in practice and the video room and that the current results are just part of that process. Same could be said for the healthy scratches. I'll start to worry if we get to the midpoint of this season and we haven't seen anything change with Subban. But for now, I'm trying to be optimistic and hope that the current struggles are all part of the overall process and that he'll eventually come out the other side a better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 3 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Cull did say he had a plan for Subban. Right now, it kind of looks like that plan is not using him It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 +/- is fine to use as an arguement but it should be noted jalen chatfield is the only plus dman +3 and has zero points wiercoat and his 2gp is even. Saunter 11gp is even and has 1point subban 8gp -4 and 1 point. Evan M 9gp -3 and 6 points GB 9gp -3 and 1point holm 11gp -4 and 8points subban seems status quo for farm hands Megna is a -7 yet gets rewarded with a call up and even dressed. Canucks need to cut him loose let him have a fresh start somewhere else I don’t know if he’ll ever be an nhler but it’s clear he’ll never be a Canuck. on a side note the Utica Comets website is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 22 hours ago, dpn1 said: I would like to see him used as a forward. Alex Burrows was a defenseman in junior I believe and changed when he turned pro. This would allow him to be that specialist on the point on the power play and be a forward where his size would be less of a detriment. If his defence is suspect then making him a winger won't help him into the show - why do you think Goldy is being ignored just now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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