D.B Cooper Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Mathew Barzal said: Solid relative to what we're accustomed to seeing, not sold according to NHL standards. He's a fringe player lucky enough to be on a rebuilding team. Nahh. I watch what ever game is on at the time. I am accustom to watching hockey. Not just the Canucks. He might not be a top 4 on most teams, but most would easily take him in their top 6 for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 hour ago, UticaHockey said: One thing to consider before assuming that Jordan Subban is the cure for the Canucks power play ills is that even though Subban has a good percentage of his points on the power play the Comets have one of the worst power plays in the AHL at 15.9% and ranked 23rd in the league. Green also took him off the first PP unit and replaced him with McEneny because Evan is much more reliable with the puck and doesn't cause as many short handed attempts back in the Comets end. The Comets have given up 11 shorties this year which is the 5th worse in the league. It's true, and a good point. Utica has 48 power play goals this year though. Compared to the Canucks 30 it's a massive improvement. The comets are able to draw a lot of penalties obviously in order to have a similar PP%. I don't think it's as much that Subban will score a ton on the PP, but more so that his presence will help our other players score on the powerplay. McEneny is similar to Hutton in their PP style, but we don't have a Subban type of player on the point. He's not polished, but his attributes may be enough to actually help the big club anyways. If that was the case, and then he did improve his defensive play further, we would be in a good spot. He's worth a look next year for 5-10 games no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Derp... said: It's true, and a good point. Utica has 48 power play goals this year though. Compared to the Canucks 30 it's a massive improvement. The comets are able to draw a lot of penalties obviously in order to have a similar PP%. I don't think it's as much that Subban will score a ton on the PP, but more so that his presence will help our other players score on the powerplay. McEneny is similar to Hutton in their PP style, but we don't have a Subban type of player on the point. He's not polished, but his attributes may be enough to actually help the big club anyways. If that was the case, and then he did improve his defensive play further, we would be in a good spot. He's worth a look next year for 5-10 games no? I think Subban will get a look next season in Vancouver. He will be in the final year of his ELC and his last year being waiver exempt so it will be time to see how he can handle the NHL game. Being honest the Canucks will still be in a long rebuild so it won't hurt to give Jordan a trial run. Too many people want to rush him up this year when he has so many parts of his game that still need to develop and another full year left on his ELC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 10 hours ago, Jiggs50 said: He's a solid offensive dman. Our pp stinks. Ever since Salo, we've needed a rhd shot pp dman. So why not give him a shot? Minus 3 today for Stecher. -10 overall. He's average at best defensively. Regardless that's not what the argument was about. Subban deserves a chance based on his offensive tools. Nothing wrong in saying that. But hey sorry Sekeres. Maybe you just know more than everyone else. The only thing stecher and Subban have in common is they are both short. Sure, the other night stecher had a rough night in which the entire team had given up. That doesn't change the fact that he is miles ahead of Subban. Do you watch Utica games or are you judging by stats? I find a huge majority of actual Utica fans say Subban is a defensive mess. Myself included. Based on his offensive stats, I agree with you that he deserves a call up. However, based on watching him play all the time, his D game takes that call up away and throws it in the trash. I want to see more goals and plays coming for our Dmen as much as anybody. But not at the expense of our own defensive play. The kid just refuses to think the game as a dman. It is incredibly frustrating to watch some kid hotdog it around the ice with no care for position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 15 hours ago, drummerboy said: I'm not talking about his career. Im taking about the point of time which I had mentioned. The last season and a half it would be hard to argue against that. He has been solid, physical and someone you need to win games. Sure. Early in his career he struggles. Show me one player who didn't. Its a silly argument really. He has stepped up and become a huge part of our d. Sbisa was good enough for Team Europe if that counts for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 7 hours ago, drummerboy said: The only thing stecher and Subban have in common is they are both short. Sure, the other night stecher had a rough night in which the entire team had given up. That doesn't change the fact that he is miles ahead of Subban. Do you watch Utica games or are you judging by stats? I find a huge majority of actual Utica fans say Subban is a defensive mess. Myself included. Based on his offensive stats, I agree with you that he deserves a call up. However, based on watching him play all the time, his D game takes that call up away and throws it in the trash. I want to see more goals and plays coming for our Dmen as much as anybody. But not at the expense of our own defensive play. The kid just refuses to think the game as a dman. It is incredibly frustrating to watch some kid hotdog it around the ice with no care for position. Seen about 5 Comets games. Mostly for JV. A lot can change over the months. I'm not saying to play Subban top 4 minutes and 82 games. I would just like to see him for about 5-10 ish games next year. Get a taste of the nhl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jiggs50 said: Seen about 5 Comets games. Mostly for JV. A lot can change over the months. I'm not saying to play Subban top 4 minutes and 82 games. I would just like to see him for about 5-10 ish games next year. Get a taste of the nhl. That's what the 17/18 season is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonecoldstevebernier Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 6 hours ago, Jiggs50 said: Seen about 5 Comets games. Mostly for JV. A lot can change over the months. I'm not saying to play Subban top 4 minutes and 82 games. I would just like to see him for about 5-10 ish games next year. Get a taste of the nhl. This is a fair expectation for Subban. The people (mainly in the media) who are rallying as if Subban HAS to be called up now and handed a spot on the team are driving me nuts, its creating something out of nothing. I'd expect him to make a few appearances next year, get re-signed when his ELC runs out, and then be given a chance to make the team full-time in 2018-19 when he's waiver eligible. Rushing prospects to the NHL so you can show off your flashy new toys is a terrible development strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV's Coin Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Subban for the Olympics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 12 hours ago, stonecoldstevebernier said: This is a fair expectation for Subban. The people (mainly in the media) who are rallying as if Subban HAS to be called up now and handed a spot on the team are driving me nuts, its creating something out of nothing. I'd expect him to make a few appearances next year, get re-signed when his ELC runs out, and then be given a chance to make the team full-time in 2018-19 when he's waiver eligible. Rushing prospects to the NHL so you can show off your flashy new toys is a terrible development strategy. Some Canuck fans love setting up young players for failure. They must be desperate for saviors. Reminds me what the Oilers did for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 On 2017-04-02 at 9:22 PM, ReggieBush said: What I said is that he is still making the same mistakes that he made when he was 19. On a consistent basis. And what I am saying is you are wrong. You are one of the people who keep banging away at the same old dead horse. Sure, he makes the odd mistake from time to time, buts it is not as frequent as the haters like to think. His hame is solid. I'd take him over Edler, guddy, Hutton any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I say Subban on the 4th line and tag in for the PP. Biega has looked great on the 4th I think Subban could help the PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: I say Subban on the 4th line and tag in for the PP. Biega has looked great on the 4th I think Subban could help the PP. Biega has looked great on the 4th line because he throws the body when he is playing as a forward. Would Subban do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Just now, WeneedLumme said: Biega has looked great on the 4th line because he throws the body when he is playing as a forward. Would Subban do the same? No, but he might be as fast if not faster on the back check.And could help the PP which Biega isn't able to, apples and oranges mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 28 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: No, but he might be as fast if not faster on the back check.And could help the PP which Biega isn't able to, apples and oranges mate. Maybe, if he was willing to back check. The biggest knock on Subban's game is his lack of defensive responsibility. What makes you think that playing him as a forward would change that? And you were the one who put him in the same breath as Biega. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said: Maybe, if he was willing to back check. The biggest knock on Subban's game is his lack of defensive responsibility. What makes you think that playing him as a forward would change that? And you were the one who put him in the same breath as Biega. But as a forward this point is moot. He would not be the last line of defense.Plus our PP suxass or haven't you noticed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 32 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: But as a forward this point is moot. He would not be the last line of defense.Plus our PP suxass or haven't you noticed? So out of our forwards, how does he get a spot on the 4th. Considering he isn't a forward, size, lack of ability to learn his own postition let alone a new one, where do you think he would be on the depth chart? Im assuming right near the bottom. Next year we we will have access to all our Utica players, unlike this year when they have to play Biega on wing so they don't take away from Utica's playoff run. Him moving to forward isn't going to help him, or us. Why cant we we leave him in the AHL for a while to develop? in a couple years, if he learns how to play D we are going to have one hell of a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said: I say Subban on the 4th line and tag in for the PP. Biega has looked great on the 4th I think Subban could help the PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 2 hours ago, drummerboy said: And what I am saying is you are wrong. You are one of the people who keep banging away at the same old dead horse. Sure, he makes the odd mistake from time to time, buts it is not as frequent as the haters like to think. His hame is solid. I'd take him over Edler, guddy, Hutton any day I would probably take him over Edler as well. However, you are crazy if you would take him over Hutton/Guddy. Hutton makes fewer mistakes, is younger, on a better contract, actually gives you something offensively, and has upside (not top pairing, but definitely top 4). Guddy is bigger, more physical, a better skater, younger, and a leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinery33 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 On 4/3/2017 at 8:02 AM, drummerboy said: The only thing stecher and Subban have in common is they are both short. Sure, the other night stecher had a rough night in which the entire team had given up. That doesn't change the fact that he is miles ahead of Subban. Do you watch Utica games or are you judging by stats? I find a huge majority of actual Utica fans say Subban is a defensive mess. Myself included. Based on his offensive stats, I agree with you that he deserves a call up. However, based on watching him play all the time, his D game takes that call up away and throws it in the trash. I want to see more goals and plays coming for our Dmen as much as anybody. But not at the expense of our own defensive play. The kid just refuses to think the game as a dman. It is incredibly frustrating to watch some kid hotdog it around the ice with no care for position. Reminds me of Larsen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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