Jordan Subban | D

[stonecoldstevebernier]

8 hours ago, Derp... said:

He'll probably get some NHL games this year which is the best we can ask for. It's up to him to improve though this summer, and show that he's ready to take the next step.

Once he's in the lineup he needs to make sure he can stay in it just like Stecher.

However, I don't think Green will be pairing him with Edler in training camp.

Yep, pretty much. He just needs to train like he never has before and embrace the competition from guys like Juolevi, McEneny, and Pedan in camp. Its unfortunate we don't really have a left-shooting defensive defenseman to pair him with when he gets an NHL look... I thought previously that he and Tryamkin could pair well, but that's out the window. Edler, Hutton, and Sbisa aren't really your prototypical mentoring vets. Its too bad Tanev isn't a lefty because he'd be perfect to shelter Subban to start.

 

I liked the McEneny-Subban pairing the Comets had this season but it'd be a little too green for the NHL and we'd have to sustain some deep injuries before we'd have both in the lineup at once.

[Horvats_Big_Head]

13 hours ago, Chronic.Canucks.Fan said:

The fact that you even have to bring up racism is insulting. These are professional coaches and athletes and they did not get to where they are based on their race, but their merit.

 

The reason Subban hasn't played in the NHL yet is because he still has much to learn defensively despite his offensive gifts. It also turns out he's still quite young, improving every year, and our team can afford to give him the time to find out if he's really the player we want him to be.

 

TLDR: you earned my minus today

Just so easy for you to deny that racism is a real thing, and yes, racism does trickle into the professional world quite often. 

 

I'm just saying that TG seems like a genuine guy who wouldn't stoop that low. You can't deny it happens though. But maybe you just want to deny it all the way up in your ivory tower. 

[Chronic.Canuck]

3 minutes ago, Horvats_Big_Head said:

Just so easy for you to deny that racism is a real thing, and yes, racism does trickle into the professional world quite often. 

 

I'm just saying that TG seems like a genuine guy who wouldn't stoop that low. You can't deny it happens though. But maybe you just want to deny it all the way up in your ivory tower. 

I am a visible minority. I know that racism is real. I deal with it on an everyday basis. Please inform me more about how I'm preaching from atop an ivory tower.

 

The players and coaches are subject to such an intense media spotlight, if something like that ever got out it would be a reputation if not career ruiner. You think a coach would let race affect his lineup decisions if his job was on the line?

 

We're here to talk hockey.

[TheHitman]

1 hour ago, stonecoldstevebernier said:

Yep, pretty much. He just needs to train like he never has before and embrace the competition from guys like Juolevi, McEneny, and Pedan in camp. Its unfortunate we don't really have a left-shooting defensive defenseman to pair him with when he gets an NHL look... I thought previously that he and Tryamkin could pair well, but that's out the window. Edler, Hutton, and Sbisa aren't really your prototypical mentoring vets. Its too bad Tanev isn't a lefty because he'd be perfect to shelter Subban to start.

 

I liked the McEneny-Subban pairing the Comets had this season but it'd be a little too green for the NHL and we'd have to sustain some deep injuries before we'd have both in the lineup at once.

You say that he needs to work harder like he doesn't have better work ethic than the rest of the roster anyways. 

[stonecoldstevebernier]

5 hours ago, TheHitman said:

You say that he needs to work harder like he doesn't have better work ethic than the rest of the roster anyways. 

I said he needed to train harder to compete with the other young d-men in the organization, that's pretty basic for any prospect who wants to make it. Whatever you quantify as work ethic doesn't mean he's automatically NHL ready. The offensive game comes easy to him, the defensive side is still something he'll have to work on if he wants to be a more well rounded player who can at least hold his own in the defensive zone and not rely on being sheltered at even strength.

[Horvats_Big_Head]

On 4/27/2017 at 1:14 PM, Chronic.Canucks.Fan said:

I am a visible minority. I know that racism is real. I deal with it on an everyday basis. Please inform me more about how I'm preaching from atop an ivory tower.

 

The players and coaches are subject to such an intense media spotlight, if something like that ever got out it would be a reputation if not career ruiner. You think a coach would let race affect his lineup decisions if his job was on the line?

 

We're here to talk hockey.

I apologize. Its just the way you were talking, you were sounding like a straight-white-cis-male. I just thought everyone was aware of the social injustices that occur on a regular basis. You can't deny that some of it slips into hockey without most people even realizing it. But yes, I am here to talk hockey.

 

I think Jordan is an outstanding human being and will be developed into a player we can trade. His ceiling looks to be a middle pairing dman who is a pp specialist. We already have Stecher, so that makes Subban expendable. The fact his last name is Subban gives him an extra added value. 

[I.Am.Ironman]

24 minutes ago, Horvats_Big_Head said:

I apologize. Its just the way you were talking, you were sounding like a straight-white-cis-male. I just thought everyone was aware of the social injustices that occur on a regular basis. You can't deny that some of it slips into hockey without most people even realizing it. But yes, I am here to talk hockey.

 

I think Jordan is an outstanding human being and will be developed into a player we can trade. His ceiling looks to be a middle pairing dman who is a pp specialist. We already have Stecher, so that makes Subban expendable. The fact his last name is Subban gives him an extra added value. 

you were the one that introduced the racism topic into the thread..seemingly from out of nowhere from what I read. It was unnecessary.

 

The fact that Jordan's last name is Subban will only boost his value to a sucker - which I don't think many NHL GMs are.

[Dannydog]

8 hours ago, Horvats_Big_Head said:

I apologize. Its just the way you were talking, you were sounding like a straight-white-cis-male. I just thought everyone was aware of the social injustices that occur on a regular basis. You can't deny that some of it slips into hockey without most people even realizing it. But yes, I am here to talk hockey.

 

I think Jordan is an outstanding human being and will be developed into a player we can trade. His ceiling looks to be a middle pairing dman who is a pp specialist. We already have Stecher, so that makes Subban expendable. The fact his last name is Subban gives him an extra added value. 

What does cis stand for in  "straight-white-cis-male"

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Dannydog said:

What does cis stand for in  "straight-white-cis-male"

I think it's a term used by radical feminists when they look for things to pin on a white male.  That's what urban dictionary tells me, a very legit source I must say!  

 

In any case, some fans have higher hopes because of Subban's last name.  It's foolish.

[Alflives]

10 hours ago, Horvats_Big_Head said:

I apologize. Its just the way you were talking, you were sounding like a straight-white-cis-male. I just thought everyone was aware of the social injustices that occur on a regular basis. You can't deny that some of it slips into hockey without most people even realizing it. But yes, I am here to talk hockey.

 

I think Jordan is an outstanding human being and will be developed into a player we can trade. His ceiling looks to be a middle pairing dman who is a pp specialist. We already have Stecher, so that makes Subban expendable. The fact his last name is Subban gives him an extra added value. 

You think Subban is trade bait?  He had a great year in Utica.  I wonder what his current value would be?

[Crabcakes]

1 hour ago, Dannydog said:

What does cis stand for in  "straight-white-cis-male"

One who identifies with the sex he was born as.  Short for cis-gendered.  The reason for the distinction would be for social politics.

[Dannydog]

I reread chronics posts back to where big head accussed him of such bull$&!#. I couldnt find anything he posted that had anything to do with being straight or white or male or anything against peoples rights to choose their own identity. Absurd.I for 1 think subban if still with the canucks (fingers crossed)he will get a couple of chances  this year to prove his worth. Thanks to all whom explained this cis 

 

[WeneedLumme]

4 hours ago, Dannydog said:

I reread chronics posts back to where big head accussed him of such bullsh*t. I couldnt find anything he posted that had anything to do with being straight or white or male or anything against peoples rights to choose their own identity. Absurd.I for 1 think subban if still with the canucks (fingers crossed)he will get a couple of chances  this year to prove his worth. Thanks to all whom explained this cis 

 

Yeah, I don't think Subban's race has anything to do with anything. Fat Head likes to make up nonsense just to stir up trouble. I saw him post the same "racist, ivory tower" nonsense in another thread, with an equal lack of any justification.

[shiznak]

When people say Subban isn't ready and is a liability in his own end. Well, that didn't stop players like Brian Rafalski, Torey Krug, Tyson Barrie, Ryan Ellis, etc from playing in the league.

 

 

[aGENT]

11 hours ago, shiznak said:

When people say Subban isn't ready and is a liability in his own end. Well, that didn't stop players like Brian Rafalski, Torey Krug, Tyson Barrie, Ryan Ellis, etc from playing in the league.

 

 

A puddle and the ocean are both wet. Therefore, they are clearly the same thing.

[shiznak]

2 hours ago, J.R. said:

A puddle and the ocean are both wet. Therefore, they are clearly the same thing.

Great analysis, maybe contribute something useful, next time.

[aGENT]

9 minutes ago, shiznak said:

Great analysis, maybe contribute something useful, next time.

Ditto. 

[Rush17]

Jordan Subban,...... wahtttt lol

 

 

If he isn't traded this summer I hope he makes the team next year.  Kid is a G lol.  He has progressed quite nicely this season. He seems a lot more calm with the puck on the point.  His movement from side to side is better and he just looks a lot better all around in this package.  Obviously it doesn't show any decencies in his game but if he can progress this off season physically and is ready to apply himself to the defensive game - man this kid looks good lol.  PK's comments about his bro being better then him might not be an exaggeration :D  ok maybe not as good as pk but he looks darn close at this point in his career :D lol

[shiznak]

12 hours ago, J.R. said:

Ditto. 

So, tell me how they are not similar.

 

Rafalski went undrafted due to his size. Went to play in Finland for 4 years, and finally got his shot with the Devils playing along side defensive specialist Stevens and Danekyo.

 

Krug also went undrafted. Was a highly touted free agent in the collegiate level. The Bruins took a chance on him, plugged him with Chara, and is now a catalyst who carries the offensive load on the backend.

 

Barrie and Ellis spent 2 years in the minors (Subban out scored both players in those two years, might I add), both not known for their defensive prowess (although Ellis has come around and developed into a nice two-way player), both were paired with defensive defensemen, to hide their weakness and are now a mainstay with their clubs. 

 

Point being, with these type of players, especially ones who aren't expected to make it into the NHL. You have to give them a shot to see what you have in them. They don't need to be developed properly, because it's unlikely they will be NHL regulars. Pair Subban with a defensemen whose a defense first guy, and ride him in all offensive situations. 

[aGENT]

5 hours ago, shiznak said:

They don't need to be developed properly