Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 In the early days of 2014, Columbus was at odds with one of their most promising players. Coming off an explosive breakout season of 63 points, including 33 goals and a huge role in getting CBJ a rare playoff appearance.On Oct 6th, he re-joined his teammates after holding out late for a contract in his native Canada.The next year he was by far the number 1 center on a team that went 42-35-5 and just missed the playoffs after an awful start partially blamed on his contract-distraction, and he finished the season with 71 points. Not bad a for a 23 year old.This year, his team started an abysmal 0-7-0 and coach Todd Richards, a proponent of Johansen despite the contract holdout, was fired.Within 1 game, John Tortorella, the team's new coach benched the team's leading scorer in a tight 1-goal game, telling him he was not in shape. Torts went on to drop his first game in a 3-2 loss—and CBJ is now 0-8. Torts was happy to play CBJ's no.2 center, Brandon Dubinsky. While Dubinsky broke into the league under Tom Renney, he broke out under Torts, leading the 2010-2011 Rangers in points and into a playoff spot.The Vancouverite is probably experiencing what a lot of players in Vancouver did two years ago, a hysterical Tortorella who will yell and scream frantically everytime there's a defensive breakdown: in a sense, that's what CBJ seemingly needs, but will it sit well with star player Ryan Johansen?Johansen the 4th overall pick in 2010 and the 3rd forward picked after Hall and Seguin has already shown signs he doesn't want to play in Columbus, a non-hockey market that has failed to build any consistent success. Will an Angry Torts push him out?Vancouver, whether some sentimental fans think so or not, need to start thinking beyond Henrik Sedin as the team's number 1 center. Yes, he's still great, but he doesn't have many years of facing top defense left in him, and signs have become more prominent over the last 2 seasons and this one, yes, he still puts up good point totals, but it won't last forever.The Canucks have some forward depth in their prospect cupboard, and adding local Johansen would allow them to move the Sedins and look to the future. Johansen is already a number 1 center and his potential looks like he could hit the 90 point range in the right environment.Next year will be his last before he becomes a RFA, but with GMJK wanting to make the playoffs, perhaps moving a distraction in an asset that will have to be moved anyway will get the team back on track.A proposal is always hard to gauge for such a star player, but Seguin-as-a-partier and tweener Peverley brought in one solid veteran, two fairly bluechip prospects and one depth prospect.Here's something that might look similiar:To Vancouver: Ryan Johansen (Seguin-ish value), Cody Goloubef (Peverley-ish value at the time)To Columbus: Dan Hamhuis (solid veteran), Chris Higgins (had one of his best years under Torts despite the environment + a cap clear), Jared McCann (bluechip prospect), Brenden Gaunce (fairly bluechip prospect) and a 6th round pick (depth prospect value).Easier to read version:To Columbus: Hamhuis, Higgins, McCann, Gaunce and a 6th.To Vancouver: Johansen, Goloubef.Although the Canucks defensive depth takes a critical hit for this season, Goloubef is a right-sided defenseman poised for a breakout, who makes sound defensive plays and is strong on the puck (not tiny either at 6'1, 195 pounds).Hamhuis and Higgins save Columbus' inability to play defense, which will help with Bobrovsky's confident, of which Bob has said he has "zero" right now.While the loss of McCann will hurt, having Johansen-Horvat-Sutter down the middle for the forseeable future makes him expendable. At best, he will become another Ryan Johansen in 3-4 years, but that's still a gamble. And the Canucks retain their 1st round pick. This year's line-up:Sedin - Sedin - SutterBurr - Johansen - VrbataBaer - Horvat - VirtDorsett - Prust/Cracknell - HansenStill decent AHL depth up front: Shinkaruk, Vey, Jensen, Grenier, FriesenEdler - TanevHutton - GoloubefSbisa - BartkowskiWeberMillerMarkstrom/BachmannBut looking to trade the Sedins next off-season could bring in a top defenseman, plus the Canucks could still have cap space for a Lucic or Eriksson etc. signing/trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Why would we want him if he's not in shape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'm sure a lot of people are going to say thats overpayment, but that looks pretty fair to me. But there is no way Benning does this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Why would we want him if he's not in shape?Because I don't trust Torts to make a sane decision and Johansen was 16th in scoring last year as a 23 year old, and leading the team in points when benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Why would we want him if he's not in shape?Because he is from BC; obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Because he is from BC; obviously.Oh okay. Then we should totally trade for him. In fact, go for Kane and Lucic too. And Price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 he doesn't want to play in Columbus, a non-hockey market you've never been to columbus, or know anything about hockey in the midwest do you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'm sure a lot of people are going to say thats overpayment, but that looks pretty fair to me. But there is no way Benning does thisYou don't think so? Because he'll keep the Sedins?All proposals for star players are kind of far-fetched, but I think Ryan Johansen fits the mold of what Benning wants. Big-bodied, western Canadian who goes to the dirty areas: a return to the 89-95 Canucks that Benning and Linden were part of as players.Plus, GMJB seems to be bringing in players with connections to the org. and RyJo was coached by then assistant Travis Green in Portland when he had his 92 point year, and on a line with Sven Baertschi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'd easily be willing to do that. Then in the summer go after Lucic. Sedin - Sedin - SutterLucic - Johansen - VirtanenBaertschi - Horvat - HansenShinkaruk - Cassels - Dorsett/Grenier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'd easily be willing to do that. Then in the summer go after Lucic. Sedin - Sedin - SutterLucic - Johansen - VirtanenBaertschi - Horvat - HansenShinkaruk - Cassels - Dorsett/GrenierI think the Lucic - Johansen - Virtanen line could be the new first line allowing the Sedins to move down to the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 We would be giving up way too much.I see Jared McCann as a future top 6 center, Gaunce as a solid future 3rd line winger, Higgins who is a decent player on a good contract and Hamhuis who should be worth a 1st or 2nd at the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'd easily be willing to do that. Then in the summer go after Lucic. Sedin - Sedin - SutterLucic - Johansen - VirtanenBaertschi - Horvat - HansenShinkaruk - Cassels - Dorsett/GrenierOr move the Sedins in a trade for Shea Weber and sign Lucic, Hamhuis and Eriksson.Baer - Johansen - VirtanenLucic - Horvat - ErikssonBurrows - Sutter - HansenDorsett - UFA - CracknellHutton - WeberEdler - TanevHammer - Barkowski Anyway, that's very very far-fetched and unlikely, but just saying a trade like this could open up a lot of possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Or move the Sedins in a trade for Shea Weber and sign Lucic, Hamhuis and Eriksson.Baer - Johansen - VirtanenLucic - Horvat - ErikssonBurrows - Sutter - HansenDorsett - UFA - CracknellHutton - WeberEdler - TanevHammer - Barkowski Anyway, that's very very far-fetched and unlikely, but just saying a trade like this could open up a lot of possibilities. I think the Sedins need to retire as Canucks. Although if they want to win and we're not contenders in their last few years by all means try to get a solid return for them. I have confidence we'll be contenders in 2-3 years if we get Johansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 I think the Sedins need to retire as Canucks. Although if they want to win and we're not contenders in their last few years by all means try to get a solid return for them. I have confidence we'll be contenders in 2-3 years if we get Johansen. Yep, just saying there's lots of possibilities either way if Hank is replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 I would like to see Travis Green and Mike Johnston (if he gets let go by the Pens) coach a team with Sven, RyJo, Sbisa and other young players Green has helped develop in Utica at the NHL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 i like ry jo but i dont see jackets trading him unless its a massive return which id rather keep our prospects and wait til hes a ufa the yr sedins retire i can see reinharts coming to canucks as free agents in 5-6 yrs. Id trade hamhuis and 2 firsts for for ry jo youngsters are not being traded sedi sedin sutter burrows ry jo lucicbaetchi horvat virtanengaunce mccann dorsett prust would run rampant on nhl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'm sure a lot of people are going to say thats overpayment, but that looks pretty fair to me. But there is no way Benning does thisOverpayment? Hamhuis is a pending UFA, and probably won't be re-signing at the end of the season. Higgins is an aging serviceable 3rd line winger. McCann and Gaunce have potential to be top 9 forwards, but both have yet to play 50 games in the league.Long story short, CBJ is pretty much giving up their franchise centermen for two prospects, who may not even pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 If he was put to market, it would be hard to outbid some markets. To name a few, Ana, Winn, Det & Tbay could assemble pretty enticing packages. Plus some of them teams have the space to seriously PAY the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Overpayment? Hamhuis is a pending UFA, and probably won't be re-signing at the end of the season. Higgins is an aging serviceable 3rd line winger. McCann and Gaunce have potential to be top 9 forwards, but both have yet to play 50 games in the league.Long story short, CBJ is pretty much giving up their franchise centermen for two prospects, who may not even pan out.If CBJ makes the trade soon, adding 2-way presences, esp. Hamhuis' defensive play could save their season though. Plus, Higgy is a 40 point winger under Tortorella's system.I certainly don't think it's an overpayment, but I think it's pretty close to value as far as a player in RyJo's gets moved for (similar to Seguin value). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Hamhuis solidifies their defence. McCann is a possible top 6 replacement for Johansen. Higgins is a "role player" someone you need if you want to go deep in the playoffs, Gaunce is basically a value adder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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