carlsjunior Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 On 11/27/2015, 2:05:28, Chip Kelly said: 1st round pick minimum. a guy like vrbata would get a draft pick and a prospect minimum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsjunior Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 On 11/28/2015, 4:14:21, Rush17 said: I can almost see Hamhuis in a Canadians jersey hoisting the cup. Crazy thought. Be a good addition to their bottom pairing. Wish we could trade him and re-sign him. But we have some youngsters almost ready for a promotion. Be curious to see. Keeping hammer be nice but only if it makes sense. I think were probably going to transition though. Maybe make a run at big buf in the off season. when i saw this i had to agree with you..hamhuis would look good in a canadians jersey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsjunior Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 On 11/27/2015, 3:52:31, The Lock said: I don't know much about Juulson to be honest. I've seen many people on these forums talk about him over the last week or so, but I don't really have an opinion on whether he'd be a fit or not. I don't look at him being a "bc boy" being much of a factor. Geography should never be the key selling point of a player in my opinion. never heard of juulson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsjunior Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 On 11/27/2015, 4:37:05, TheRussianRocket. said: And this is what's been wrong with the team the past handful of years. Good thing new management has actually moved on from that and are actually building for the future. yes! move on and learn from your mistakes... no one seems to do that these days.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 It would be depressing to see Burrows leave, but as mentioned in this thread he's ideal for Montreal. Him with Pleks would be very formidable defensively. Cap friendly contract, playoff performer, can play anywhere in the lineup and any role, hometown boy, invested in the community, knows Vigneault (gotta get through the Rags imo) = should be a target for Bergevin. JB better get a good haul though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 2 minutes ago, BabychStache said: It would be depressing to see Burrows leave, but as mentioned in this thread he's ideal for Montreal. Him with Pleks would be very formidable defensively. Cap friendly contract, playoff performer, can play anywhere in the lineup and any role, hometown boy, invested in the community, knows Vigneault (gotta get through the Rags imo) = should be a target for Bergevin. JB better get a good haul though. Cap friendly? Are you sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 1 minute ago, BabychStache said: It would be depressing to see Burrows leave, but as mentioned in this thread he's ideal for Montreal. Him with Pleks would be very formidable defensively. Cap friendly contract, playoff performer, can play anywhere in the lineup and any role, hometown boy, invested in the community, knows Vigneault (gotta get through the Rags imo) = should be a target for Bergevin. JB better get a good haul though. It helps that Burrows is having a bit of a bounce back season points wise. On pace for 40ish points so far this year which given his age and defensive ability is good return. Signed to one more year after this which fits with Montreal's 2 year timeline. In the last year of his contract, he can at the very least be a formidable shutdown winger and pk specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Don't be looking at Burr like that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 4 minutes ago, SwedeHockey said: Cap friendly? Are you sure? Very. 3.5 actual, 4.5 cap hit. Only 1 season remaining. Perfect for the Habs "window." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Do you guys know anything about Montreal's lineup? They have no need For Burrows or Hamhuis. They're currently carrying 8 defenceman and despite Price missing 10 games they have the best goal differential in the league, They have very limited cap space. Even if they managed to swing a deal for Hamhuis and stay under the cap, it makes no sense for them to pay $4.5m for what would be a third pairing D on their team. Especially when they have players that can fill that role in the organization Burrows is pretty much a third liner at this point in his career. I don't know if anyone's noticed but Montreal's third line of Fleishmann, Desharnais and Weise is pretty much the most dangerous third line in the league. Montreal's primary need this season has been a 2nd line winger to get Galchenyuk and Eller going. They may have already solved that issue. Since Andrighetto was put on that line 4 games ago the line has been on fire. Galchenyuk has 5 goals in those 4 games. He only had 2 prior to that. Bergevin has also been quoted a number of times as saying good organizations find solutions from within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 12 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Do you guys know anything about Montreal's lineup? They have no need For Burrows or Hamhuis. They're currently carrying 8 defenceman and despite Price missing 10 games they have the best goal differential in the league, They have very limited cap space. Even if they managed to swing a deal for Hamhuis and stay under the cap, it makes no sense for them to pay $4.5m for what would be a third pairing D on their team. Especially when they have players that can fill that role in the organization Burrows is pretty much a third liner at this point in his career. I don't know if anyone's noticed but Montreal's third line of Fleishmann, Desharnais and Weise is pretty much the most dangerous third line in the league. Montreal's primary need this season has been a 2nd line winger to get Galchenyuk and Eller going. They may have already solved that issue. Since Andrighetto was put on that line 4 games ago the line has been on fire. Galchenyuk has 5 goals in those 4 games. He only had 2 prior to that. Bergevin has also been quoted a number of times as saying good organizations find solutions from within. Good points, Burrows would not be a corner stone. More of a Recchi in Boston, Roberts in Pitts, etc. A playoff vet that can play anywhere in the lineup in all roles. Depth wins championships. You may be correct that they don't see the need, but from my very biased non professional opinion I see a fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 57 minutes ago, BabychStache said: Good points, Burrows would not be a corner stone. More of a Recchi in Boston, Roberts in Pitts, etc. A playoff vet that can play anywhere in the lineup in all roles. Depth wins championships. You may be correct that they don't see the need, but from my very biased non professional opinion I see a fit. Montreal already has a few of those guys in Weise, Fleishman and DSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 1 hour ago, qwijibo said: Do you guys know anything about Montreal's lineup? They have no need For Burrows or Hamhuis. They're currently carrying 8 defenceman and despite Price missing 10 games they have the best goal differential in the league, They have very limited cap space. Even if they managed to swing a deal for Hamhuis and stay under the cap, it makes no sense for them to pay $4.5m for what would be a third pairing D on their team. Especially when they have players that can fill that role in the organization Burrows is pretty much a third liner at this point in his career. I don't know if anyone's noticed but Montreal's third line of Fleishmann, Desharnais and Weise is pretty much the most dangerous third line in the league. Montreal's primary need this season has been a 2nd line winger to get Galchenyuk and Eller going. They may have already solved that issue. Since Andrighetto was put on that line 4 games ago the line has been on fire. Galchenyuk has 5 goals in those 4 games. He only had 2 prior to that. Bergevin has also been quoted a number of times as saying good organizations find solutions from within. If we retained or took back a bit of salary, obviously it would work sending Hamhuis there. Hamhuis plays the left side, so I fail to see why you think he would be on the third pairing? Right now they have Pateryn playing with Petry on the second pairing until Emelin comes back. Hamhuis is most certainly an upgrade on both Pateryn and Emelin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 30 minutes ago, Robongo said: If we retained or took back a bit of salary, obviously it would work sending Hamhuis there. Hamhuis plays the left side, so I fail to see why you think he would be on the third pairing? Right now they have Pateryn playing with Petry on the second pairing until Emelin comes back. Hamhuis is most certainly an upgrade on both Pateryn and Emelin... Actually. They have Beaulieu playing on the 2nd pairing, and he's been so good there that even when Emelin came back they left him there and put Emilin on the 3rd pairing with Gilbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 On 28/11/2015 7:48:07, Alflives said: Who were you thinking of coming back - Tinordi? How about Juulson? Del La Rose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Vrbata 50% retained + Hamhuis 50% retained for 2016 1rst round pick, 2017 1rst round pick, Noah Juulsen, Tinordi, Semin (press box don't worry). Tinordi and Semin are just expiring pieces and can sit in the press box for the rest of the year. Hamhuis and Vrbata could even pull a Vermette and sign back with the Canucks next season. I still think our players hold more value dealt in separate deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 48 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Vrbata 50% retained + Hamhuis 50% retained for 2016 1rst round pick, 2017 1rst round pick, Noah Juulsen, Tinordi, Semin (press box don't worry). Tinordi and Semin are just expiring pieces and can sit in the press box for the rest of the year. Hamhuis and Vrbata could even pull a Vermette and sign back with the Canucks next season. I still think our players hold more value dealt in separate deals. Lol cause the Canadiens would love that trade.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 41 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Vrbata 50% retained + Hamhuis 50% retained for 2016 1rst round pick, 2017 1rst round pick, Noah Juulsen, Tinordi, Semin (press box don't worry). Tinordi and Semin are just expiring pieces and can sit in the press box for the rest of the year. Hamhuis and Vrbata could even pull a Vermette and sign back with the Canucks next season. I still think our players hold more value dealt in separate deals. Even with the cap retention you're still about $1m over on Montreal's cap. I can see several issues for why Montreal turns this down 1) leaves them over the cap 2) even if it didn't it handcuffs Bergevin and severly limits his ability to make any other moves he may need to make. 3) Hamhuis isn't really needed at all in Montreal. Based on a top 4 of Subban, Markov, Petry and Beaulieu that would leave Emelin, Gilbert,,Hamhuis and Pateryn to fill in the bottom pairing. No matter how you slice it you end up sitting a significant chunk of cap space in the pressbox every single night. It makes zero sense for them 4) Bergevin is a shrwed GM and in his time in Montreal he's never given up a top prospect or a 1st round pick in any deal. Now you expect him to do both in one deal for a couple of rentals? 5) Vrbata may or may not be a fit on the second line. Currently Andrighetto is looking really good in that slot. If the line continues to perform then I doubt Bergiven makes any move Finally, Vancouver will most likely make the playoffs. Ownership likely wont be willing to forgo playoff revenue by allowing JB to ship out two meaningful roster players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Okay I didn't do the research on the cap. You're right even with retention they couldn't take both on unless they wanted to move a player like Emelin in that deal instead of Tinordi. If the Canucks find themselves as sellers it would only be poor management to hold onto both players and watch them walk during free agency. I feel both do hold more value in separate deals if the Canucks do find themselves on the outside looking in. I'd hate to look back on the Canucks keeping both and missing the playoffs or even get bounced early and watch both leave. Knowing that if they traded them there would be a strong chance that the Canucks could have picked three times in the top thirty next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 14 hours ago, Alflives said: If we thought we were one experienced D from winning the Cup I would trade Boesser to get the Cup. Dallas traded Iginla to the Flames to get Neiwendyk, and it got them a Cup. Teams, who think they are one piece away do some strange things to get that piece. See, that's where we disagree. I wouldn't, at least not Markov when there are likely so many other options out there. Seriously, would you prefer Vrbata over Staal or Johansen? All 3 have been in rumours as of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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