Gaudette Celly Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 He could end up in a low-end Euro beer league and there'd be people, "Maybe we can entice him back!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Michael Russo @Russostrib 1m1 minute ago Jordan Schroeder cleared waivers. Assigned to Iowa #mnwild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.K. Chesterton Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Hurricanes should pick him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 2 hours ago, smokes said: Can't really blame Gillis on this. The only person of note after Schroeder at 22 was Jakob Silfverberg at 39. After the first 7 of the 2009 draft year the drop off became steep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NHL_Entry_Draft I agree it was a weak draft. But markus Johansson (24th) kyle palmieri (26th) and Ryan o'Reilly (33rd) are all "of note" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 50 minutes ago, G.K. Chesterton said: Hurricanes should pick him up. Too late now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 No more small guys unless they battle like Domi. The lack of focus of the management/Fanbase of this team over the years has been our undoing. We need to get it tattooed on CDC's collective forehead - Bigger Gritty and Faster. Schroeder is paying the price for his own lack of compete. He is a Baertschi Mk 2. Imo one is two many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 lol wut. Don't think the Canucks should look at Schroeder, but saying he was a reach at the draft? He was predicted to go top-12, some even saying top-10 and he totally fell to the Canucks at 22nd overall. He put up 8 points in 6 games at the WJC. In his draft year he also had 44 points in 41 games at the USDP level. After his draft year, he ripped up the WJC with 11 points in 6 games, that same year he had 45 points in 35 games in the NCAA. When he joined the Moose he had also was progressing well with 9 points in his first 11 game stint, and a PPG in the playoffs. Then injuries hit in his first full season with Manitoba, and his 2nd year in Chicago. Chances are he would have made the Canucks if not. Guy has tremendous potential, but injuries and waivers had him not make the NHL and now he doesn't play with the same confidence or ability to win puck battles. But he was a great pick at the time, fast, high hockey IQ, went to the dirty areas besides being small, great playmaking ability. It's a shame he hasn't been able to reach his potential, but to call him a reach at #22 clearly shows ignorance about context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 21 hours ago, Edlerberry said: pick him up then send him down for conditioning As per NHL rules, if you claim a player on waivers he has to remain on your team else be put back on waivers before joining the AHL affiliate. Simply put, it wouldn't be in our best interest to do what you suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 7 minutes ago, The Lock said: As per NHL rules, if you claim a player on waivers he has to remain on your team else be put back on waivers before joining the AHL affiliate. Simply put, it wouldn't be in our best interest to do what you suggest. He's off to the Euro leagues. Small, soft, perimiter player. It won't be too long, if not already, where the even the top Euro leagues don't want this type of player. They will end up in the Dutch, French, or Itallian leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: He's off to the Euro leagues. Small, soft, perimiter player. It won't be too long, if not already, where the even the top Euro leagues don't want this type of player. They will end up in the Dutch, French, or Itallian leagues. I don't know given the size of the ice. Unless if they change the ice size to match the NHL, there's always likely going to be the factor of their being more space for the smaller players over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 43 minutes ago, The Lock said: I don't know given the size of the ice. Unless if they change the ice size to match the NHL, there's always likely going to be the factor of their being more space for the smaller players over there. If they play an involved game in the top leagues, but only in the lesser leagues if they don't. Those top leagues are getting quite good, and have top coaching too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 14 hours ago, Teemu Selänne said: lol wut. Don't think the Canucks should look at Schroeder, but saying he was a reach at the draft? He was predicted to go top-12, some even saying top-10 and he totally fell to the Canucks at 22nd overall. He put up 8 points in 6 games at the WJC. In his draft year he also had 44 points in 41 games at the USDP level. After his draft year, he ripped up the WJC with 11 points in 6 games, that same year he had 45 points in 35 games in the NCAA. When he joined the Moose he had also was progressing well with 9 points in his first 11 game stint, and a PPG in the playoffs. Then injuries hit in his first full season with Manitoba, and his 2nd year in Chicago. Chances are he would have made the Canucks if not. Guy has tremendous potential, but injuries and waivers had him not make the NHL and now he doesn't play with the same confidence or ability to win puck battles. But he was a great pick at the time, fast, high hockey IQ, went to the dirty areas besides being small, great playmaking ability. It's a shame he hasn't been able to reach his potential, but to call him a reach at #22 clearly shows ignorance about context. Ranked 5th for NA skaters final rankings, 4th at mid-term. There were questions about the Gophers development program, with Garth Snow calling them out in public for how they handled Okposo. Instead of Schroeder taking a full four years there (which would have been ideal) he goes to the Moose. He struggled with injuries and had a poor rookie season. Over the next two seasons he got stuck in the black hole of player development that was the Chicago Wolves. Did well his third year and earned a lengthy call-up. On a line with Raymond and Hansen he was quite productive, but then slipped into onto the fourth line and disappeared. The following year he breaks his foot blocking a shot early. This was also the Tortorella year, which was an absolute mess and a horrible environment to develop in. He makes his way back into the lineup, again has a few good games and again gets banished to the fourth line. With the Wild last year he played quite well, same thing again though. Around .5 ppg on the third line, disappeared on the fourth. At best Schroeder was given some opportunity with decent third liners for a stretch. He did get the opportunity to play with higher end players and work through some of his challenges in the right environment. Very unfortunate career. He was not a bad pick, given his skill, but development was brutal and he has quite a few injuries. As much as we complain about this season, McCann is playing with Vrbata and Higgins. Baertschi also got to start on the second line, and Virtanen has had a decent amount of opportunity as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 11 hours ago, Alflives said: If they play an involved game in the top leagues, but only in the lesser leagues if they don't. Those top leagues are getting quite good, and have top coaching too. Very good leagues yeah but that doesn't mean the styles are very different from the NHL. The KHL and SHL are not physical leagues and ,while size can still be an advantage in those leagues, skill and speed trump all in Europe. Also, doesn't JS hold the US record for most career points at the WJC by an American? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Schroeder is a prime example of why you should actually pay attention to a player's performance throughout the year rather than a tournament as short as the WJC. I remember I said that the Canucks prospect pool was not very impressive and got ripped into for saying Schroeder was not skilled enough for his size and Connauton was a dime a dozen prospect. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 4 hours ago, Wild Sean Monahan said: Very good leagues yeah but that doesn't mean the styles are very different from the NHL. The KHL and SHL are not physical leagues and ,while size can still be an advantage in those leagues, skill and speed trump all in Europe. Also, doesn't JS hold the US record for most career points at the WJC by an American? I'm thinking he was one of those guys, who matured early. He was quicker, faster, and even stronger than the bigger late bloomers, which allowed him to play a more involved game during those years. When the other guys caught up, we saw JS disappear to the soft areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: I'm thinking he was one of those guys, who matured early. He was quicker, faster, and even stronger than the bigger late bloomers, which allowed him to play a more involved game during those years. When the other guys caught up, we saw JS disappear to the soft areas. I don't know. Considering we've seen players like the Sedins continue to develop AFTER 30, I wouldn't think Schroeder would be able to continue his development and take advantage of the early start. However, it's evident he hasn't done so, at least not yet. (although that door's closing on him pretty fast) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 On 29/11/2015 1:13:33, Hairy Kneel said: Him and Vey in a cage match to the death! with Bearcheeezi as special referee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Schroeder and Vey have very similar numbers, career NHL Vey 93GP 10G 19A Schroeder 92GP 10G 14A AHL (2011-12 season, both 20 years old) Vey 74GP 19G 24A Schroeder 76GP 21G 23A In hindsight, proved to be very lateral to let Schroeder go and make the trade for Vey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 13 minutes ago, Canada Hockey Place said: Schroeder and Vey have very similar numbers, career NHL Vey 93GP 10G 19A Schroeder 92GP 10G 14A AHL (2011-12 season, both 20 years old) Vey 74GP 19G 24A Schroeder 76GP 21G 23A In hindsight, proved to be very lateral to let Schroeder go and make the trade for Vey. In hindsight yeah but at the time Vey had shown significantly better in the AHL so it made sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 On 11/30/2015, 6:55:59, smokes said: Can't really blame Gillis on this. The only person of note after Schroeder at 22 was Jakob Silfverberg at 39. After the first 7 of the 2009 draft year the drop off became steep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NHL_Entry_Draft There were a few other diamonds in the rough that year actually, no one like Silfverberg mind you: Tatar, Nolan, Kruger, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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