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Henrik Sedin would discuss politely what Vancouver needs to do to correct current losses. Between Sedin and Desjardins, they do know what's wrong with Vancouver. Sedin discussed getting back to basics with the good ol' fashion core breakout.

Desjardins agreed the team needed to undertake a more physical game.

The modern era of hockey doesn't place an emphasis on the breakout being the most important play in an organized hockey team.

It was designed to keep puck out of slot.

It gives a template of where your players should be if they could get there.

If you control the puck in the defending zone, you control the puck everywhere.

Many coaches don't even know where the half boards are or why that's important.

No one teaches players the hard and fast rules on being last man back (Hamhuis needs a refresher as does Edler) Markstrom caught himself and corrected the error of his ways. Hamhuis DID use the boards in the last game - encouraging.

There are also rules regarding do's and dont's in the defending zone. You need to find ol' school to learn this stuff.

This is why Cherry IS a genius - he's an encyclopedia of tips of wisdom for given situations.

He'd tell defence to take the man, not the puck.

He'd also know where you are as a player by the stupidity you exhibit.

So when an old salt is going to give you a heads up - listen. Your team mates are competitors in staying on the team roster.

They don't give secrets away lightly.

The question is, can Desjardins get a dainty team (not you Dorsett) to play physical hockey? How would he do it?

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Solution:

Make Core breakout #1 play in practice for half hour.

Written hard and fast rules for defence and offence.

Written hard and fast rules for last man back.

Show defence how to close the gap on a hit.

Defence take the MAN, not the puck. You get beat poke checking. Hitting a body easier than hitting a puck. Even winging an attacker throws them off their stride.

Wingers at half boards on breakout - if no attacker in defending zone, wingers at blue line or center ice.

Offence grow a collection of attacking play. Choreograph.

When circumstance create same opportunity on ice, use - everyone on same page, know what to do next.

Offence, use attack triangle.

Offence - watch Gretzky's use of back of net when on powerplay.

Go to Youtbue and watch Jagr get beat by Datsyuk as last man back.

No one on Vancouver has failed this bad and lets you know even the amazing players let their ego get in the way of doing the right thing.

 

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Vancouver - ask coach why you don't play around as last man back.

Jagr has defenceman racing up to be a winger at halfboards, has winger raceback to be at halfboards and still has to show world he can out deke Datsyuk. Whole world got to see a major fail defying an age old rule.

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The players have been using the same system essentially since their Novice spring team,assistant coaches are in charge of most system work as they are on the level of an nhl head coach,the head coach bench coaches on game day.Most changes are made game to game with match ups and targeting a teams weakness based on recent film.

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Defence hit attacker between blue line and top of slot. If deked, let amazing goalie stop shot and D get back to clear rebound. Also - even attempted hit, pressures attacker and throws off stride.

If 2 on 1 D hitting  puck carrier forces pass and goalie has one attacker to contend with.

Screening (blocking shot by D) on 2 on 1 just causes confusion and goalie has to keep focus on two attackers.

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43 minutes ago, westcoast said:

The players have been using the same system essentially since their Novice spring team,assistant coaches are in charge of most system work as they are on the level of an nhl head coach,the head coach bench coaches on game day.Most changes are made game to game with match ups and targeting a teams weakness based on recent film.

So What?

They're making kindergarden mistakes on one goal games. Time to stop doing that.

Don't know what coaches are teaching them but it's probably all about scoring goals and not about keeping goals from being scored. If you control defending zone, you own the rink. If you score the odd goal on offence, you lose.

Next you'll defend Vancouver using stats.

Blind man can see why they're losing. Just stop doing things that cause a loss.

Games about no mistakes and trying to get the other team to make mistakes.

Vancouver's making all the mistakes and key players don't even know they're making a mistake.

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26 minutes ago, BUCKFIFTY said:

Solution:

Make Core breakout #1 play in practice for half hour.

Written hard and fast rules for defence and offence.

Written hard and fast rules for last man back.

Show defence how to close the gap on a hit.

Defence take the MAN, not the puck. You get beat poke checking. Hitting a body easier than hitting a puck. Even winging an attacker throws them off their stride.

Wingers at half boards on breakout - if no attacker in defending zone, wingers at blue line or center ice.

Offence grow a collection of attacking play. Choreograph.

When circumstance create same opportunity on ice, use - everyone on same page, know what to do next.

Offence, use attack triangle.

Offence - watch Gretzky's use of back of net when on powerplay.

Go to Youtbue and watch Jagr get beat by Datsyuk as last man back.

No one on Vancouver has failed this bad and lets you know even the amazing players let their ego get in the way of doing the right thing.

 

This all looks like hockey basics.  However, I guess Hank said we're lacking this.  So alright.

 

Maybe at the end of the day we need more soldiers.  Or, it's a process.

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1 hour ago, BUCKFIFTY said:

 

Many coaches don't even know where the half boards are or why that's important.

 

Yeah, WD has an AHL and a WHL championship but doesn't know where the half-boards are.....makes sense. 

Or he does know and isn't telling his other coaches.....makes more sense.

Please stop. 

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58 minutes ago, BUCKFIFTY said:

Henrik Sedin would discuss politely what Vancouver needs to do to correct current losses. Between Sedin and Desjardins, they do know what's wrong with Vancouver. Sedin discussed getting back to basics with the good ol' fashion core breakout.

Desjardins agreed the team needed to undertake a more physical game.

The modern era of hockey doesn't place an emphasis on the breakout being the most important play in an organized hockey team.

It was designed to keep puck out of slot.

It gives a template of where your players should be if they could get there.

If you control the puck in the defending zone, you control the puck everywhere.

Many coaches don't even know where the half boards are or why that's important.

No one teaches players the hard and fast rules on being last man back (Hamhuis needs a refresher as does Edler) Markstrom caught himself and corrected the error of his ways. Hamhuis DID use the boards in the last game - encouraging.

There are also rules regarding do's and dont's in the defending zone. You need to find ol' school to learn this stuff.

This is why Cherry IS a genius - he's an encyclopedia of tips of wisdom for given situations.

He'd tell defence to take the man, not the puck.

He'd also know where you are as a player by the stupidity you exhibit.

So when an old salt is going to give you a heads up - listen. Your team mates are competitors in staying on the team roster.

They don't give secrets away lightly.

The question is, can Desjardins get a dainty team (not you Dorsett) to play physical hockey? How would he do it?

So, in essence the Canucks are a dainty team & need to develop more of a broad street bullies personae? And need to learn a patterned breakout...   (really two wildly in different directions observations)

I will say this: When Torts was coaching he decided we needed to add this new, or old school actually, personality. We needed to behead Dustin Brown and show the Kings what we were made of for running Lou? Our team became completely de-focussed & everything, including the breakout, seemed to disappear.

 

What our team needs is Baertschi & Virtanen (and Vrbata) fore-checking like Jannik Hansen. And attacking opposing D with the puck at the point in our end. Relentlessly dogging the puck on the half boards when we don't have it. That's the push back we need more than anything!

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11 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I was interested....until the fatal comment that Cherry is a genius lol.

Btw, shouldn't it be Buckfiddy?

(jk - props to you for some ol' school).

Cherry is a genius - he's watched and been a part of the growth of this sport. He's one of the few ties to real Canadiana and the sport is now turning into pro wrestling by Jewish bankers. The CBC better hold onto Hockey Night in Canada.

The NHL was canadian at one time.

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14 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

This all looks like hockey basics.  However, I guess Hank said we're lacking this.  So alright.

 

Maybe at the end of the day we need more soldiers.  Or, it's a process.

You need glasses. If you didn't know the team needed the basics you don't know much about hockey.

When I was a kid - Paul Coffey taught me how to play defence.

Vancouver should call him up and ask him what they need to do. (and then they should truly listen)

Coffey should have been a forward.  He still knew how to play defence.

I often wonder who taught him? Ex NHL'ers no doubt.

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2 minutes ago, BUCKFIFTY said:

Cherry is a genius - he's watched and been a part of the growth of this sport. He's one of the few ties to real Canadiana and the sport is now turning into pro wrestling by Jewish bankers. The CBC better hold onto Hockey Night in Canada.

The NHL was canadian at one time.

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You need glasses. If you didn't know the team needed the basics you don't know much about hockey.

When I was a kid - Paul Coffey taught me how to play defence.

Vancouver should call him up and ask him what they need to do. (and then they should truly listen)

Coffey should have been a forward.  He still knew how to play defence.

I often wonder who taught him? Ex NHL'ers no doubt.

Hmm.  I guess this team didn't need 'the basics' prior to this losing streak.  Right?

 

No idea what Paul Coffey has to do with this.  Good skater though.  We could use that.

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14 minutes ago, Canada Hockey Place said:

It's not rocket science.

Edler Tanev
Hamhuis Weber
Sbisa Bartowski

^ That's the D built over the off season. That was the plan.

And then pretty much announced to everyone that Hamhuis will be traded. Hey yeah that'll motivate him.... 

Are these the people you want to "fix" the D?

 

They've put Bartowski with Hamhuis for Buffalo. This is fourth line Defence. First line will go through them like a hot knife through butter.

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15 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

So, in essence the Canucks are a dainty team & need to develop more of a broad street bullies personae? And need to learn a patterned breakout...   (really two wildly in different directions observations)

I will say this: When Torts was coaching he decided we needed to add this new, or old school actually, personality. We needed to behead Dustin Brown and show the Kings what we were made of for running Lou? Our team became completely de-focussed & everything, including the breakout, seemed to disappear.

 

What our team needs is Baertschi & Virtanen (and Vrbata) fore-checking like Jannik Hansen. And attacking opposing D with the puck at the point in our end. Relentlessly dogging the puck on the half boards when we don't have it. That's the push back we need more than anything!

Twisting my words out of context is for lawyers, not hockey fans. Weakness is in the D. If D clean up their end, Offence gets stronger because doesn't have to hang back to make up for weak D. Offence is finesse non contact types. Fine for offence.

Defence should be punishing any attacker who thinks they can skate across blue line at defending zone.

That's defence's JOB. If they knew how to play defence it would be a GIVEN.

Fighting is not hockey. Check - hit hard. Fighting's for the ring. Just a delay of a good hockey game even if amusing.

They're here to play hockey.

Henrik Sedin knows what they need to do. He seems like a guy who doesn't want to tell his coworkers their job.

Now if his coworkers were to approach him and ask him what he thinks the defence job is, it would go easier.

Defence need to talk to ol' school Defence. The hockey played before it became a soap opera.

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22 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

Hmm.  I guess this team didn't need 'the basics' prior to this losing streak.  Right?

 

No idea what Paul Coffey has to do with this.  Good skater though.  We could use that.

Coffey knew how to play hockey.

Vancouver had defenceman when they were in the playoffs with Boston. Bieksa was good and was tough.

Edlers like a light switch. One night he amazes, the next night is WTF?

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