canuck2288 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The very fact that there can be discussions about teams tanking in order to secure a chance at a high draft pick is sad. Specially before the half way point of a regular season. I know many pro sports leagues follow a similar process but that does not make it right i feel it ruins the integrity of the game. How does a team on one hand sell tickets to a game at a ridiculous price and then turn around and easentially throw that game? The solution is simple, stop rewarding futility!!! Every team gets one ball in the draw regardless of final standings. Guess what?, no more tanking and teams are not punished for success or rewarded for futility and every game actually means something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 You should try this new thing called "google" and search for "2016 NHL Draft Rules". It's the next big thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Just now, canuck2288 said: The very fact that there can be discussions about teams tanking in order to secure a chance at a high draft pick is sad. Specially before the half way point of a regular season. I know many pro sports leagues follow a similar process but that does not make it right i feel it ruins the integrity of the game. How does a team on one hand sell tickets to a game at a ridiculous price and then turn around and easentially throw that game? The solution is simple, stop rewarding futility!!! Every team gets one ball in the draw regardless of final standings. Guess what?, no more tanking and teams are not punished for success or rewarded for futility and every game actually means something. Your argument lacks relevance. The draft lottery is weighted so even if you finish last, you aren't guaranteed 1st overall anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 8 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: The very fact that there can be discussions about teams tanking in order to secure a chance at a high draft pick is sad. Specially before the half way point of a regular season. I know many pro sports leagues follow a similar process but that does not make it right i feel it ruins the integrity of the game. How does a team on one hand sell tickets to a game at a ridiculous price and then turn around and easentially throw that game? The solution is simple, stop rewarding futility!!! Every team gets one ball in the draw regardless of final standings. Guess what?, no more tanking and teams are not punished for success or rewarded for futility and every game actually means something. Are you even watching the games? The team isn't giving up they're trying every game its they just aren't very good. Its not like the team is benching their best players and throwing out an ECHL goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 It was broken the last 5 ish years with the Oilers winning 4 1st overall picks. Now that the Canucks are possibly going to be in a significant lottery position, it is broken for the exact opposite reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 3 minutes ago, RonMexico said: Your argument lacks relevance. The draft lottery is weighted so even if you finish last, you aren't guaranteed 1st overall anymore. Sill weighted towatds poor teams and still encourages tanking. The lottery has been in place for tears and teams still tanks, therefore the process is wrong. Why do you think that after 30 games we are already talking tanking? The weighted lottery solves nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Yeah thank the oilers for this new format. Starting 2016 there is a draft lottery for picks 1, 2 and 3 so the team that finishes last in the league with some really bad luck could pick 4th overall after the draft lottery. This is my biggest fear in life right now haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 11 minutes ago, MJDDawg said: You should try this new thing called "google" and search for "2016 NHL Draft Rules". It's the next big thing. Still odds based and slanted to lower placed teams, will not stop tanking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Real tanking rarely happens. Some teams are just lousy and 82 games proves that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 Why should the number 1 team in the league have less of the chance at the numbet 1 pick than the last placed team? It sucks that thr Oilers were rewarded for having poor management and coaching for years. i am not suggesting we are tanking but the very fact that its being discussed is wrong. There is even a Sportsnet article today related to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Finishing last doesn't guarantee a top 3 pick anymore. I still think the playoff teams should stay excluded from the lottery, but it would be interesting to give equal opportunity for blocks of teams, worst 5 teams get 10 % chance, next 5 teams get 7% last 4 teams get 3.75% chance each. 30th - 26th = 10% chance 25th - 21st = 5% chance 20th - 17th = 3.75% chance Every non playoff pick is a lottery. The worst team can end up picking 14th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Whoever finishes last can fall from 1st to 4th starting in 2016 draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 25 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: Sill weighted towatds poor teams and still encourages tanking. The lottery has been in place for tears and teams still tanks, therefore the process is wrong. Why do you think that after 30 games we are already talking tanking? The weighted lottery solves nothing It's really not worth tanking at this point anymore. Any team that tanks for a 20% chance at 1st overall is making a stupid decision. Also, the Canucks aren't tanking, we're just missing our two top centres and one of our top 4 d-men. Moreover, even with the full team roster, our performance was not due to intentional losses, but rather, a genuinely bad team. This is a growth year for the team and most people expected that the playoffs would be a challenge to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The reason they still have the best odds is because those bottom teams need the most help. Just because a team is in the bottom three doesn't mean they're tanking. Could it not just mean they're just a bad team? Not everybody can be in first somebody has to be last and they don't have to be considered as doing a tank to be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davathor Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 13 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: Why should the number 1 team in the league have less of the chance at the numbet 1 pick than the last placed team? It sucks that thr Oilers were rewarded for having poor management and coaching for years. i am not suggesting we are tanking but the very fact that its being discussed is wrong. There is even a Sportsnet article today related to it So you'd rather see the hawks win the cup and get 1st overall? With the Canucks luck we would finish bottom 3 and pick last - 1st picks lose value in trades for $&!#ty teams (canucks) and it kills the chances for struggling franchises to turn things around. If we have to suffer through losing hockey all season at least we have a high pick to look forward to - don't take that away from us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fateless Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 18 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: Why should the number 1 team in the league have less of the chance at the numbet 1 pick than the last placed team? The draft is designed to keep the league competitive. If Chicago and Los Angeles who have been winning the cup for the last 23508972 years were also able to draft 1st overall if they got lucky - would that really make hockey entertaining to watch when you can predict who is going to win the cup at the start of the season? The draft isn't designed to reward weak teams so much as it is designed to return weak teams to being competitive and bringing competitive teams slowly down to where they may need to draft higher. Essentially the draft is designed that way to keep the league balanced so that it is enjoyable and competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Wish they made it top 4 were lotto. Still a lot better then previous years. It would just be so satisfying too see too see the bottom team select 5th overall lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersexual Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The only rule I want to see is that you should not be allowed the 1st overall pick 3 yrs in a row. Maybe even not allowed top 5 pick 3 yrs in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 6 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Wish they made it top 4 were lotto. Still a lot better then previous years. It would just be so satisfying too see too see the bottom team select 5th overall lol. What if this year we're that bottom team. Thinking we're drafting Matthews or if bumped off 1 picking Chychrun but we get bumped all the way to 4th and don't get either guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 5 minutes ago, homersexual said: The only rule I want to see is that you should not be allowed the 1st overall pick 3 yrs in a row. Maybe even not allowed top 5 pick 3 yrs in a row. I like this! I'd rather have this rule then the new draft system they've cooked up for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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