MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 http://www.isshockey.com/iss-hockey-releases-iss-top-30-for-january/ Iss is a reputation scouting service consisting of 12 individual scouts, who come together every month or so, and they literally have to decide who is number 1, as a group. They have a good reputation (personally as fan if you ask me, I like their rankings) but it is up to everyone. They were noted for having Kopitar as a top 2 pick in the 2005 (and if you ask me, I think he is the second best player from that draft) draft at the same time, questioned by many for example, having Lawson Crouse as a top 6 pick in the 2015 draft. That said we all know... not everyone is perfect, one player can look like an all star in juniors but in the NHL they look average, (Benoit Pouliot) anyways this is their list. Will be questioned once again... Tkathuck is number 3. Laine is number 4. work Horse Julien Gautheir is number 12. EVERONES favorite JUOLEVI is 14 my personal favorite DUBOIS, Pierre-Luc is 18. that said, keep in mind they are scouts, they've been doing it for years, and it's not one person doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Max Jones in the top 10? errr. I think their rankings are based on potential more than skill at the time of the rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken kaniff Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 looks good to me. would love to grab both Chychrun and Fabbro. that would be a great top pairing imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Chychrun could easily fall to us the way Jones did to Nashville. I'd rather Juolevi over Sergachev but Fabbro would be nice too. Not as many defencemen in the top-20 as there used to be but we still need to snag one if not two possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Angelo Russell Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Debrincat falls out of first round from this ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 50 minutes ago, Gstank29 said: Max Jones in the top 10? errr. I think their rankings are based on potential more than skill at the time of the rankings. But..."POTENTIAL" That alone is worth a Crosby on this board. And as we know, this forum is full of ex scouts and current NHL GMs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-PatLostInEdm Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, Warhippy said: But..."POTENTIAL" That alone is worth a Crosby on this board. And as we know, this forum is full of ex scouts and current NHL GMs But potential is what you draft for, isn't it? Very few kids are good enough to go NHL right out of the box. Even the one's that are, have to get better\bigger or bust. I know what you're saying, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Strong draft, hope we pick up another first rounder in the first half preferably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 24 minutes ago, X-PatLostInEdm said: But potential is what you draft for, isn't it? Very few kids are good enough to go NHL right out of the box. Even the one's that are, have to get better\bigger or bust. I know what you're saying, though. Exactly. Every pick is about where a player is projected to max out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, MJDDawg said: Exactly. Every pick is about where a player is projected to max out. Which is why we couldn't have even traded the Sedins and Kesler for John Scott All Star Captain in his rookie year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 2 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Chychrun could easily fall to us the way Jones did to Nashville. I'd rather Juolevi over Sergachev but Fabbro would be nice too. Not as many defencemen in the top-20 as there used to be but we still need to snag one if not two possibly. Don't think chychrun will fall to #30 overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I don't know why some of you guys rather have Fabbro then Juolevi? Just cause he's a right handed Dman? To to each their own but I'm not seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 3 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: http://www.isshockey.com/iss-hockey-releases-iss-top-30-for-january/ Iss is a reputation scouting service consisting of 12 individual scouts, who come together every month or so, and they literally have to decide who is number 1, as a group. They have a good reputation (personally as fan if you ask me, I like their rankings) but it is up to everyone. They were noted for having Kopitar as a top 2 pick in the 2005 (and if you ask me, I think he is the second best player from that draft) draft at the same time, questioned by many for example, having Lawson Crouse as a top 6 pick in the 2015 draft. That said we all know... not everyone is perfect, one player can look like an all star in juniors but in the NHL they look average, (Benoit Pouliot) anyways this is their list. Will be questioned once again... Tkathuck is number 3. Laine is number 4. work Horse Julien Gautheir is number 12. EVERONES favorite JUOLEVI is 14 my personal favorite DUBOIS, Pierre-Luc is 18. that said, keep in mind they are scouts, they've been doing it for years, and it's not one person doing this. Lol at Juolevi being number 14. Way too low. He's a top 10 pick at the draft mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 14 hours ago, messier's_elbow said: Lol at Juolevi being number 14. Way too low. He's a top 10 pick at the draft mark my words. I don’t know if I agree with you on that. And I’m a huge Juolevi fan and have been praising him since the start of the season. For most fans the first times they’ve seen Juolevi play was in the WJC (specifically against Canada) and they were extremely impressed, but most fans don’t have anything to really compare that to as not all draft eligible players were playing in the WJC. These scouts get to see these players on a regular basis, not just WJC. They get to see Juolevi play head to head against Sergachev, Clague, and Chychrun on a nightly basis. Most fans don’t and because they haven’t got to see how good these other players our they just “assume” he’s better. I’m not saying that’s you, but Juolevi didn’t jump in CDC minds until after the one game against Canada and now all of the sudden he’s the best D in the draft class in some posters minds. Again this is coming for a huge Juolevi fan. But just because players weren’t at the WJC, that shouldn’t be held as a knock against a player. If Chychrun, or Bean, or Sergachev were Finnish, Czech or Swiss, they would have been in the tournament. This front half of the draft is forward heavy, Matthews, Laine, Puliljarvi, Tkachuk, Nylander, Gauthier, Mcleod, are ahead of Juolevi in BPA, And Chychrun and Sergachev are better D options. That list alone puts Juolevi outside of top 10. To me Juolevi is very similar to Jake Bean, both have high IQ and puck handle, They don’t really play an overly physically type game and they are both PP QB that like to control the puck. Neither are big shooters but Bean would have the edge in that area. Juolevi is a a bit stronger of a two way game and positioning. To me both of these players will find them self in the middle of the pack, just like Karlsson who was taken 15th and Shattenkirk 14th, Fowler 12th, Honka 14th, Morrissey 13th, Ceci 13th, and Ellis 11th who all have a similar type of game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 What happened to Sean Day? Dropping as fast, if not faster then Kylington last year. Was once a projected top 10. Not even in round 1 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicineHatCanuck Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 1 hour ago, HC20.0 said: What happened to Sean Day? Dropping as fast, if not faster then Kylington last year. Was once a projected top 10. Not even in round 1 now. He's LAZY AF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 40 minutes ago, MedicineHatCanuck said: He's LAZY AF. Ah, yeah that would do it. Another Semin. All the talent in the world, too lazy to put it to use. Just what any team needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I look at this draft class, and I'm perfectly fine being a play off team. There is still a tonne of talent left for the second half of the first round. If we're able to grab Bean or even Fabbro in the 16-20 range, I would be a happy camper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Fabbro // Juolevi // Chyrchrun // Bensen // Matthews // Puljujarvi // Laine If we can get 2 out of these players i'd be stoked... 1 of the bolded players I'd be pretty happy. Mainly on Bensen i'm hoping he drops and is available at the early 2nd or late first area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Wow the defencemen have really slided in the rankings, there used to be about 15 in the top-30. That being said, even if we end up with the #2 pick and Matthews is gone I seriously hope we take Chychrun and not Puljujarvi. We don't need another RW thank-you very much, unless Benning is willing to trade one of Virtanen or Boeser for a top defenceman which is FAR harder to do than simply drafting Chychrun. We'd get more value in terms of player by drafting a defenceman in the top-10 than drafting another winger (who may be better than we already have) and trading one of our current wingers for a defenceman. With that in mind... Top-1 pick: Draft Matthews Top-5 pick: Chychrun if available Top-10 pick: Sergachev/Fabro/Juolevi (in that order) Top-20 pick (we're not going to get worse than that): Bean/McAvoy (in that order) There are defencemen scattered through the ranks of the first round so anywhere we pick, we'll get a stab at a quality guy and we have to take that. If we can somehow score ourselves another 1st round pick then sure, grab a forward, but two D-men in the first round would instantly replenish this empty prospect pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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