TheNorwegianCanuck Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Patrick White (26 y/o), former 1st round draft pick (#25) for the Canucks back in 2007, has signed for my hometown team here in Norway, Lillehammer IK. He played his second game for the team today, first on home ice. They lost 2-3 to Manglerud Star, a team from the outskirts of the capital, Oslo. Patrick White had an assist on the game tying goal at 2-2. Since his last NCAA season with the Univ. of Minnesota, White has bounced around Europe, from 3. and 2. division hockey in Germany, where he had good numbers, to Slovakian hockey and a brief stint in the KHL. He started the 2015-16 campaign in Austria with the Graz99'ers, played 8 games, recording 2 points before heading to second tier hockey in Sweden. 7 games, 2 points before landing in Norway, with Lillehammer IK. Lillehammer IK has struggled this season, and is currently second to last in the league, which means playing relegation matches against the last placed team. The team brought in two new players during the Christmas break, Patrick White and Mike Banwell, an undrafted defenseman with 68 matches in the AHL, mostly with the Albany Devils, back in 2010-11/2012. I knew about Patrick White as the selection in 2007 and obviously from this forum. I was excited to hear that he had joined the team. Obviously Norwegian hockey is not the go-to-league for most players, but it's what we got. Hopefully Patrick White can step up his game and lead the team into a place, safe from relegation matches in the standings. I went to the game today, and at first it seemed like he had some trouble adjusting, which is fair, considering the larger ice surface and the fact that it is only his second game with the team. He seemed slow at first, losing a lot of one-on-one battles and turning the puck over in the neutral zone, but he found his footing towards the end of the game, and played a big role in the game-tying goal. He also showed good hands with some nice dekes. One can only hope that he will spark a better last-half of the season for the team! http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=11470 I thought it would be interesting for some of you to hear where he is at the moment, and perhaps some observations of his play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Good thing he got himself an education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Canucks' worst draft year, at least of the 21st Century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Another classic Canucks draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnhl Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I guess at the time he looked really good... He accomplished a lot during the 2 years prior to his draft year. 2006 – AP All-State honorable mention 2006 – Duluth News Tribune Second Team All-Area 2006 – Iron Range All-Conference 2006 – MSHSL All-Tournament Team 2007 – AP All-State First Team 2007 – AP Player of the Year 2007 – Duluth News Tribune First-Team All-Area 2007 – Duluth News Tribune Player of the Year 2007 – Iron Range All-Conference 2007 – St. Paul Pioneer Press All-State First Team 2007 – MSHSL All-Tournament Team He said all the right things. Some players just don't make it. It doesn't matter which round you're selected in. If you have a chance, you gotta take it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 That's a minor signing if I've ever seen one, even with the past Canucks connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 32 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Good thing he got himself an education. He's basically a cautionary tale now - stay in school, get your degree, ect.... People looking to trash the Canucks' draft history had better also line up every other team in the league as well because no one gets it right every time, no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, TheNorwegianCanuck said: Patrick White (26 y/o), former 1st round draft pick (#25) for the Canucks back in 2007, has signed for my hometown team here in Norway, Lillehammer IK. He played his second game for the team today, first on home ice. They lost 2-3 to Manglerud Star, a team from the outskirts of the capital, Oslo. Patrick White had an assist on the game tying goal at 2-2. Since his last NCAA season with the Univ. of Minnesota, White has bounced around Europe, from 3. and 2. division hockey in Germany, where he had good numbers, to Slovakian hockey and a brief stint in the KHL. He started the 2015-16 campaign in Austria with the Graz99'ers, played 8 games, recording 2 points before heading to second tier hockey in Sweden. 7 games, 2 points before landing in Norway, with Lillehammer IK. Lillehammer IK has struggled this season, and is currently second to last in the league, which means playing relegation matches against the last placed team. The team brought in two new players during the Christmas break, Patrick White and Mike Banwell, an undrafted defenseman with 68 matches in the AHL, mostly with the Albany Devils, back in 2010-11/2012. I knew about Patrick White as the selection in 2007 and obviously from this forum. I was excited to hear that he had joined the team. Obviously Norwegian hockey is not the go-to-league for most players, but it's what we got. Hopefully Patrick White can step up his game and lead the team into a place, safe from relegation matches in the standings. I went to the game today, and at first it seemed like he had some trouble adjusting, which is fair, considering the larger ice surface and the fact that it is only his second game with the team. He seemed slow at first, losing a lot of one-on-one battles and turning the puck over in the neutral zone, but he found his footing towards the end of the game, and played a big role in the game-tying goal. He also showed good hands with some nice dekes. One can only hope that he will spark a better last-half of the season for the team! http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=11470 I thought it would be interesting for some of you to hear where he is at the moment, and perhaps some observations of his play! Wow! Blast from the past! Thanks for the update TheNorwegianCanuck! I had always wondered what happened to him... Worst 1st round pick for the Canucks so far. Kid did nothing. Not even a hope of making the big club. I mean, I know hindsight is always 20/20, but damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 He Likes to Lick Lemon Lollipops in Lillehammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 1 hour ago, PlanB said: He's basically a cautionary tale now - stay in school, get your degree, ect.... People looking to trash the Canucks' draft history had better also line up every other team in the league as well because no one gets it right every time, no one. Detroit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Detroit They picked their share of absolute duds. They just get overlooked because of the occasional Zetterberg, Holmstrom, Datsyuk. Ever heard of Golubovsky, Jesse Wallin, Tom McCollum......no, didn't think so. Granted, Det seems to have minimized the player to dud ratio but as mentioned, no one ever gets them all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Just now, Fanuck said: They picked their share of absolute duds. They just get overlooked because of the occasional Zetterberg, Holmstrom, Datsyuk. Ever heard of Golubovsky, Jesse Wallin, Tom McCollum......no, didn't think so. Granted, Det seems to have minimized the player to dud ratio but as mentioned, no one ever gets them all right. Since 1998 1998- J. Fischer, Datsyuk 1999- Zetterberg 2000- Kopecky, Kronwall 2002- Hudler, Fleischmann, Filppula, Ericsson 2003- Howard, Quincey 2004- Franzen 2005- Kindl, Abdelkader, Helm 2006- Matthias 2007- Smith, Andersson 2008- Nyquist 2009- Tatar, Nestrasil 2010- Sheahan, Pulkkinen 2011- Jurco 2012- Athanasiou 2013- Janmark 2014- Larkin You're right. 2001. They haven't gotten it every year. And I actually have heard of McCollum, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Funny, between 2010-2000 the Canucks had 50 picks never play a single game.......Detroit had 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 19 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Since 1998 1998- J. Fischer, Datsyuk 1999- Zetterberg 2000- Kopecky, Kronwall 2002- Hudler, Fleischmann, Filppula, Ericsson 2003- Howard, Quincey 2004- Franzen 2005- Kindl, Abdelkader, Helm 2006- Matthias 2007- Smith, Andersson 2008- Nyquist 2009- Tatar, Nestrasil 2010- Sheahan, Pulkkinen 2011- Jurco 2012- Athanasiou 2013- Janmark 2014- Larkin You're right. 2001. They haven't gotten it every year. And I actually have heard of McCollum, btw. For comparison sake, do the Canucks over the same time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Look up the article by Byron Bader at NHL NUMBERS.COM called "Drafting for Success". Sorry, can't link it for some reason. This pretty much dispels the myth that Detroit owns the draft and is in some way far superior to ever other team out there. A decade and a half ago they were beating the odds in the draft to a small degree and found a few gems that formed a good core for them, but for the last 15 years the are actually slightly below average in graduating picks to the NHL. I'm not saying Canucks were doing well all along, but no one has regularly beaten the draft odds in a way that is far superior than the rest of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnhl Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 51 minutes ago, Fanuck said: They picked their share of absolute duds. They just get overlooked because of the occasional Zetterberg, Holmstrom, Datsyuk. Ever heard of Golubovsky, Jesse Wallin, Tom McCollum......no, didn't think so. Granted, Det seems to have minimized the player to dud ratio but as mentioned, no one ever gets them all right. Every player they draft becomes a household name at some point. Actually Golubovsky, Wallin and McCollum have played in the NHL. Patrick White did not. Not only is Detroit good at finding talent, but they're also great at developing them. The Canucks on the other hand are good at finding solid undrafted players like Burrows and Tanev or acquiring good late round players like half our line-up in terms of the energy guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 37 minutes ago, RonMexico said: For comparison sake, do the Canucks over the same time period. 1998-2014 (DET wins) 1998- J. Fischer, Datsyuk, Allen, Chubarov, Ruutu (VAN wins) 1999- Zetterberg, Henrik, Daniel (DET wins) 2000- Kopecky, Kronwall (VAN wins) 2001- Umberger, Bieksa (DET wins) 2002- Hudler, Fleischmann, Filppula, Ericsson (Tie) 2003- Howard, Quincey, Kesler (VAN wins) 2004- Franzen, Schneider, Edler, Hansen (DET wins) 2005- Kindl, Abdelkader, Helm, Bourdon, Raymond (Tie) 2006- Matthias, Grabner (DET wins) 2007- Smith, Andersson (DET wins) 2008- Nyquist, Hodgson (DET wins) 2009- Tatar, Nestrasil, Connauton (DET wins) 2010- Sheahan, Pulkkinen (DET wins) 2011- Jurco, Corrado (VAN wins) 2012- Athanasiou, Gaunce, Hutton (VAN wins) 2013- Janmark, Horvat, Shinkaruk (Tie) 2014- Larkin, Virtanen, McCann, Demko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 12 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Look up the article by Byron Bader at NHL NUMBERS.COM called "Drafting for Success". Sorry, can't link it for some reason. Good article. Essentially lays out the stats showing that no one single team has a secret formula for dominating the draft despite what perceptions are out there. Specifically mentioned Detroit and points out they are perceived to be superior but in reality they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justdean10 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Fanuck said: They picked their share of absolute duds. They just get overlooked because of the occasional Zetterberg, Holmstrom, Datsyuk. Ever heard of Golubovsky, Jesse Wallin, Tom McCollum......no, didn't think so. Granted, Det seems to have minimized the player to dud ratio but as mentioned, no one ever gets them all right. Big difference though, is Canucks have never really picked a "Datsyuk, Zetterberg or Holmstom" Pretty much all of our great picks have come from the first round, (Sedins,Kesler Schneider) Sure we have drafted Bieksa, Hansen, Edler.. but those are no where near the talent Detroit has picked up in the later rounds but I don't know if that always means that they drafter better or just developed better, perhaps had we drafted Dats he wouldn't of developed the same in our system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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