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One thing I like about this acquisition, other than the fact that he is big, strong, a good skater and has good hands, is, as Benning mentions, he is a good playoff performer. So far in his NHL career (granted, it is a small sample size) he has more points per game in the playoffs than he does in the regular season.

This is pretty rare and is something the Canucks have needed for years. Maybe we have a playoff warrior here, like Trevor was! I sure hope this guy pans out for us. I'm really looking forward to seeing what he looks like in a Canucks uniform.

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Just now, chilliwiggins said:

he was sent same day to the minors, just before he was traded and Hansen was put on injured reserve so etem was brought onto the team as an emergency callup once Hansen returns and they exceed the maximum limit on the roster my understanding is, because of the status he was brought onto the team, exempts him from elegibilty of being claimed via waivers.

You can't be an emergency call up if you've never been sent down, which technically, he wasn't.  It's that simple.  Over and out.

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24 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said:

well correct me if I'm wrong but he was brought up technically from the AHL from the rangers affiliate , while Hansen was put on injured reserve to allow Etem to be brought onto the Vancouver roster which puts him in the emergency call up which exempts him from waiver elegibility in my understanding.  that's why Hansen was put on injured reserve.   this is why the rangers sent him down to the farm team  basically same time he was traded so he could be exempted after injury status of Hansen changes back.        am I wrong?   I don't think so

Well, you're partly wrong.

The part that is right is that Etem was with the Rangers' AHL affiliate.  He was assigned on a conditioning assignment.

However, being called up to replace someone on IR doesn't make someone an emergency callup.  An emergency callup is one made when the team gets below 6 defencemen or 12 forwards.  Article 13.12(m)(ii) of the Collective Bargaining Agrement reads:

Emergency conditions shall be established when the playing strength of
the Loaning Club, by reason of incapacitating injury or illness or by
League suspension to its Players is reduced below the level of two (2)
goalkeepers, six (6) defensemen and twelve (12) forwards. Proof of the
existence of the emergency conditions including the incapacity shall be
furnished to the Commissioner of the League upon request made by him.

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16 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

You can't be an emergency call up if you've never been sent down, which technically, he wasn't.  It's that simple.  Over and out.

so when they exceed the roster limitthey have to expose someone?   unless of course they just send Virtanen or mcann to the minors I suppose. which they are exempt from waivers for now.    Hmm yes I just counted the 12 forwards not on injured status that would as you say not put him in the protected bracket.  So then it looks like Virtanen is going to be sent down upon hansens return then at this point anyhow

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1 hour ago, smokes said:

I know Shink isn't in the line up yet man the possibilities. 

Shink - Horvat - Etem 

Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser

Shinkaruk - McCann - Etem

Gaunce - Zhukenov - Virtanen

Valk - Cassels - Jasek

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43 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said:

so when they exceed the roster limitthey have to expose someone?   unless of course they just send Virtanen or mcann to the minors I suppose. which they are exempt from waivers for now

 

48 minutes ago, tyhee said:

Well, you're partly wrong.

The part that is right is that Etem was with the Rangers' AHL affiliate.  He was assigned on a conditioning assignment.

However, being called up to replace someone on IR doesn't make someone an emergency callup.  An emergency callup is one made when the team gets below 6 defencemen or 12 forwards.  Article 13.12(m)(ii) of the Collective Bargaining Agrement reads:

Emergency conditions shall be established when the playing strength of
the Loaning Club, by reason of incapacitating injury or illness or by
League suspension to its Players is reduced below the level of two (2)
goalkeepers, six (6) defensemen and twelve (12) forwards. Proof of the
existence of the emergency conditions including the incapacity shall be
furnished to the Commissioner of the League upon request made by him.

So if say if Virtanen and mcann or who ever was brought onto the team as emergency call ups is returned to juniors and or Utica where ever they came from reducing the roster to below the limit do you know if then Etems status would then change? because he was brought onto the team as hansens replacement.   on another site they were stating that Etems demotion to rangers affiliate was somewhat murky as to what the particulars of that were combined with the trade.

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Isn't Emerson Etem a little old too be having his own talk thread?? lol jk

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57 minutes ago, suitup said:

How did Etem come so cheap? Kid is only 23... complete player too...

He's like a stocky Shinkaruk that isn't aware that there are four other skaters donning the same sweater as him on the ice. If he can be coached out of that mentality (see Virtanen) we have a steal. If not then oh well, he was cheap. 

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8 hours ago, JamesB said:

Nice analysis. I have the same read. At low cost, this move gives JB a decent shot at improving the team. And it makes it easier to move Vrbata or Prust at the deadline. (I doubt if Burrows or Higgins goes anywhere this year even if the Canucks are willing to retain salary.)

I still think it is likely that Etem will not be on the team next year, but there is a decent chance he does pan out. My personal estimate is maybe a 25 to 30 percent chance of being on the team next year -- and that is lot more than 0% chance Jensen had of being on the team next year and a lot more than the roughly 10% chance that a 6th round pick ever makes the team. 

But I hope Virtanen is better than Etem. Etem is a bit disappointing (so far) but not terrible for a #29 overall pick (as my earlier post on #29 overall picks shows).  But he would be very disappointing for a #6 pick.

I think what you mean is that Virtanen and Etem are the same type of player -- big, fast, physical, straight-line players who are not strong on "creativity" (i.e. "hockey IQ" or "processing the game"). But I think Virtanen is better and is very likely to be a long-term NHL regular whereas Etem is closer to the margin. 

Yes, you've got what I was driving at.  I would expect Virtanen to be better in 4 years though (when he is Etem's age, 23).

It's interesting what is happening on RW now in terms of depth.  It is now as crowded as the left side.  The question is still out there, who is going to play top 6 next year?  Especially if Vrbata is moved. 

Etem is on a 1 year contract at $850 and will be an RFA at the end of the season.  Based on his recent work, if he's re-signed, he'll come cheap again.

 

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2 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said:

He's like a stocky Shinkaruk that isn't aware that there are four other skaters donning the same sweater as him on the ice. If he can be coached out of that mentality (see Virtanen) we have a steal. If not then oh well, he was cheap. 

I see, well to be honest I have higher hopes for him than Virtanen. But again my hopes aren't that high for Virtanen, but do wish Virtanen the best. 

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15 minutes ago, Crabcakes said:

Yes, you've got what I was driving at.  I would expect Virtanen to be better in 4 years though (when he is Etem's age, 23).

It's interesting what is happening on RW now in terms of depth.  It is now as crowded as the left side.  The question is still out there, who is going to play top 6 next year?  Especially if Vrbata is moved. 

Etem is on a 1 year contract at $850 and will be an RFA at the end of the season.  Based on his recent work, if he's re-signed, he'll come cheap again.

 

Doesn't  Pulijujaarvi play right wing?::D

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Doesn't  Pulijujaarvi play right wing?::D

Doesn't matter because Matthews plays centre. :D

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3 minutes ago, suitup said:

Doesn't matter because Matthews plays centre. :D

We deserve both.  It would be '99 over again!:towel:

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15 minutes ago, suitup said:

I see, well to be honest I have higher hopes for him than Virtanen. But again my hopes aren't that high for Virtanen, but do wish Virtanen the best. 

Virt is 19 and Etam is 23 and already been dumped by 2 nhl teams.

Virt will have more time to develop his game.

Regarding Etam...I'm not all that excited about him joining the team.  Comments about him from fans around the league are quite negative and the fact that 2 teams have already given up on him is concerning.  Regardless, he is a Canuck now and I will reserve my comments until he has played for awhile.  Give him some time to learn the sysem and get comfy.  Really hope he turns into the player many Nuck fans thing he will be.

 

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Just now, higgyfan said:

Virt is 19 and Etam is 23 and already been dumped by 2 nhl teams.

Virt will have more time to develop his game.

Regarding Etam...I'm not all that excited about him joining the team.  Comments about him from fans around the league are quite negative and the fact that 2 teams have already given up on him is concerning.  Regardless, he is a Canuck now and I will reserve my comments until he has played for awhile.  Give him some time to learn the sysem and get comfy.  Really hope he turns into the player many Nuck fans thing he will be.

 

I agree, I mean I'm not saying Virtanen isn't going to get better but I just don't have the same hopes for Etem as I do with Jake. I think Etem is just having really bad luck since he had no real roster opportunities by playing on stacked teams in the past. 

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16 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Doesn't  Pulijujaarvi play right wing?::D

 

14 minutes ago, suitup said:

Doesn't matter because Matthews plays centre. :D

 

10 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We deserve both.  It would be '99 over again!:towel:

If you guys can figure out a way for the Canucks to get Matthews AND Pulijaarvi in this year's draft you each get 1 reputation pt per day from me for the next year. And please tell Benning how to do it.

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41 minutes ago, suitup said:

I see, well to be honest I have higher hopes for him than Virtanen. But again my hopes aren't that high for Virtanen, but do wish Virtanen the best. 

 

Instant gratification is a hell of a drug.

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