slickjim23 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I've seen a lot of people arguing the morality and benefits of tanking on here, and decided I'd make this thread to allow those who support the tank to cheer it on. Hfboards has a very similar thread, and I think that it is fair for the tank discussion to remain in here so people who actively support winning don't get offended when negative things are said about the team. In my opinion, tanking, aka trading off older assets and replacing them with younger, less effective talent to hopefully draft in a higher position (say top 5), is a very good method of building for the future... Look at the Blackhawks. They were one of the worse off teams, then acquired top tier talent in Kane and Toews (1st overall and 3rd overall respectively), and now look at where they are.... The Penguins are similar... Drafted Malkin and then Crosby, and have a cup to show for it. The fact is, you need good management in place to surround top chosen draft talent with other good players to be successful down the road, and the team that has failed at it has obviously been the Edmonton Oilers... People use the Edmonton Oilers as an example of tanking not working, but Edmonton is just an outlier to a countless number of other examples where a top pick can turn around a team's fortunes and turn them into a dynasty, or at least get a cup or two down the road. Imagine where we'd be without the Sedins, for example... Toiling away in mediocrity like the Flames of a few years ago, always picking in that "mid range" and settling for 2nd tier prospects like Jake Virtanen over Leon Draisaitl, or a lot of the other examples of our drafting record over the higher guys.. The question is, would you rather toil away in mediocrity until the Sedins retire, and then likely have Horvat and some other guys step up and still remain in mediocrity, rarely making the playoffs and if we do likely going out early, or would you rather have a few really down years, draft elite talent that Horvat, Baertschi, McCann etc can compliment (including a top d-man) that can take over from the Sedins and put us back into likely contender status? Tanking, we can turn our rebuild from 8-10 years in length on the trajectory we're going now, to 3-5 years ideally until we become a contender again... Again, this is the PRO TANK thread. This is for people who WANT to tank. Cheering against the team losing is OKAY here, if the mods can agree with that. If you don't want to see people cheering against our team to lose, don't come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicineHatCanuck Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Keep this stuff on the HF board please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Losing is for losers. Would you teach your kids to lose? It sets a bad example for every young canucks fan... Guess what... We're in a playoff spot and we're making it. Good luck with the tank bull $&!#! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickjim23 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, apollo said: Losing is for losers. Would you teach your kids to lose? It sets a bad example for every young canucks fan... Guess what... We're in a playoff spot and we're making it. Good luck with the tank bull $&!#! Would you teach your kids to spend all the money at once on hookers and blow when they inherit it from you, or would you teach your kids to plan for the future with it so they can afford a house and other necessities when they get a family of their own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicineHatCanuck Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, slickjim23 said: Would you teach your kids to spend all the money at once on hookers and blow when they inherit it from you, or would you teach your kids to plan for the future with it so they can afford a house and other necessities when they get a family of their own? Horrible analogy...... You are teaching them to lose and not play to win. You are also teaching them thats it's ok to suck and to not give a crap about winning. Your analogy is also ironic because you are doing the exact opposite when you Tank. Building for the future is what we gain from not tanking. "Spending your money on blow and hookers" is Tanking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, apollo said: Losing is for losers. Would you teach your kids to lose? It sets a bad example for every young canucks fan... Guess what... We're in a playoff spot and we're making it. Good luck with the tank bull $&!#! you know the purpose of us wanting them to lose right? It's not a permanent thing. Most of us I gaurantee, love this team, but they know are fully aware of the inevitability of probably a 1st round exit, and a pointless to come in, in the middle of the pack, we are in the process of rebuilding, we might as well sacrifice a season, that we will probably forget, and not remember, but once we get a high pick, we increase our chance of building a better team in the future, wtf would you rather do? finish 14th and get a 14th pick? or finish in the top 5 and grab a crucial part of the rebuilding puzzle? not to mention adding we can probably add a 1st rounder from another team. 10 minutes ago, MedicineHatCanuck said: Keep this stuff on the HF board please. you totally missed the point of this thread. Feel free to not respond if you are anti tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Zamboni Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 its a game ..game we,re talking about about a game. NO just no no tank you. were talking bout a game........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 You're on the wrong Forum. This is the Canucks forum. To tank, take a hard right East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I don't understand. Why do some people want a losing environment, just to get a chance at drafting first overall? You don't lose on purpose, it will have a negative effect on the rookies. Instead, aim to build a winning environment, and hope for the best. Take a look at the Oilers, the rookies on that team are stuck in an environment, where losing is considered a good thing. And that of course, to get a top draft pick. Which is doing no good, mentally and physically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 InB4Lock:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicineHatCanuck Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 minute ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: you totally missed the point of this thread. Feel free to not respond if you are anti tank. I think you been here long enough to know this is going to become a pissing contest..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, slickjim23 said: I've seen a lot of people arguing the morality and benefits of tanking on here, and decided I'd make this thread to allow those who support the tank to cheer it on. Hfboards has a very similar thread, and I think that it is fair for the tank discussion to remain in here so people who actively support winning don't get offended when negative things are said about the team. In my opinion, tanking, aka trading off older assets and replacing them with younger, less effective talent to hopefully draft in a higher position (say top 5), is a very good method of building for the future... Look at the Blackhawks. They were one of the worse off teams, then acquired top tier talent in Kane and Toews (1st overall and 3rd overall respectively), and now look at where they are.... The Penguins are similar... Drafted Malkin and then Crosby, and have a cup to show for it. The fact is, you need good management in place to surround top chosen draft talent with other good players to be successful down the road, and the team that has failed at it has obviously been the Edmonton Oilers... People use the Edmonton Oilers as an example of tanking not working, but Edmonton is just an outlier to a countless number of other examples where a top pick can turn around a team's fortunes and turn them into a dynasty, or at least get a cup or two down the road. Imagine where we'd be without the Sedins, for example... Toiling away in mediocrity like the Flames of a few years ago, always picking in that "mid range" and settling for 2nd tier prospects like Jake Virtanen over Leon Draisaitl, or a lot of the other examples of our drafting record over the higher guys.. The question is, would you rather toil away in mediocrity until the Sedins retire, and then likely have Horvat and some other guys step up and still remain in mediocrity, rarely making the playoffs and if we do likely going out early, or would you rather have a few really down years, draft elite talent that Horvat, Baertschi, McCann etc can compliment (including a top d-man) that can take over from the Sedins and put us back into likely contender status? Tanking, we can turn our rebuild from 8-10 years in length on the trajectory we're going now, to 3-5 years ideally until we become a contender again... Again, this is the PRO TANK thread. This is for people who WANT to tank. Cheering against the team losing is OKAY here, if the mods can agree with that. If you don't want to see people cheering against our team to lose, don't come here. I think you better make a anti tank thread. Hfboards got one of those too. those are literally the type of people who will believe they will "win the lottery" and live a easy life. They are that optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickjim23 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 Just now, MedicineHatCanuck said: Horrible analogy...... You are teaching them to lose and not play to win. You are also teaching them thats it's ok to suck and to not give a crap about winning. Your analogy is also ironic because you are doing the exact opposite when you Tank Disagree. Spending picks for players to help now is the same as spending money for the now rather than the future in life.... Saving those picks and using them on players that can help you in the future is the same as investing that money and budgeting with it in different accounts for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Strangelove Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Hey OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Planning to lose. Seems appropriate with the face of Trump attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Dumb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickjim23 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: I don't understand. Why do some people want a losing environment, just to get a chance at drafting first overall? You don't lose on purpose, it will have a negative effect on the rookies. Instead, aim to build a winning environment, and hope for the best. Take a look at the Oilers, the rookies on that team are stuck in an environment, where losing is considered a good thing. And that of course, to get a top draft pick. Which is doing no good, mentally and physically. The Oilers are an outlier. How come the Hawks are so successful now? How come the Penguins won a cup? How come the Kings are so successful? They've all had top picks, and were able to surround them with talent... Oilers fail at that.. Just imagine the Canucks without the Sedins.... Do you think we could have made the 2011 finals without them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 i tripped over a hundred dollar bill once ,...i found a nickel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelar Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 What an idiotic thread. No professional athlete intentially tanks. This team is better than 25-30 overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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