mpt Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 56 minutes ago, Me_ said: ...then Lemieux didn't do it. No he was better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 3 hours ago, mpt said: Lemieux did it to except for the two years he only played 26 and 22 games, which he was well over pace for Ifs and buts and coconuts... What is the definition of a 'pure' goal scorer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Blueberries said: Best goal scorer ever. Most won't admit it because he isn't Canadian. 100% True. He is the greatest goal scorer in history of the NHL. He's also a 6'3 235 lbs beast who is top 5 in hits every year. No comparable in the history of the NHL. You have to take era adjustment into account and when you do it's pretty clear. He's the best ever. What he's doing in this low scoring era is simply amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I am ridiculously bias but what Bure accomplished with his linemates and injury problems is nothing short of legendary. Ovi is for sure a top 5 pure goal scorer of all time though. Once his career is done more people will acknowledge it. There can only be one living legend in the NHL at a time though. That spot goes to Jagr unfortunately for Ovi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Lord Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I don't get how "pure goal scorer" is a compliment. It just means they don't do much else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 This guy is a generational player. Better than Crosby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 If it wasn't for the lock-out and a few road bumps along the way he'd almost be a consistent 40 goal scorer. That's insane considering this era hasn't seen many 40 let alone 50 goal scorers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat James Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, guntrix said: This guy is a generational player. Better than Crosby. I beg to differ; Ovechkin has been healthy his entire career, Crosby has missed almost two entire seasons with injuries. He would have had over 200 more career points had he not missed so many games in 2007-08, 2010-11, 2011-12 and 2012-13, and at least three more Art Ross Trophies and probably a couple of Harts. Without injuries Crosby would have 1 100 points, a Stanley Cup, five Art Ross Trophies, two Rockets, a few Hart Trophies and a few Ted Lindsay Awards. I know this is hypothetical, but that is crazy good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 41 minutes ago, The Game said: I beg to differ; Ovechkin has been healthy his entire career, Crosby has missed almost two entire seasons with injuries. He would have had over 200 more career points had he not missed so many games in 2007-08, 2010-11, 2011-12 and 2012-13, and at least three more Art Ross Trophies and probably a couple of Harts. Without injuries Crosby would have 1 100 points, a Stanley Cup, five Art Ross Trophies, two Rockets, a few Hart Trophies and a few Ted Lindsay Awards. I know this is hypothetical, but that is crazy good. Yeah but he didnt get those things. Its a BS argument to pull the "if he wasnt injured card". Compare what actually happened. Right now its Ovi > Crosby imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 8 hours ago, MovesLikeDatsyuk said: Some guy named Wayne Gretzky would beg to differ. Yeah Ovechkin may fit the stereotype of a "goal scorer" better than Wayne, but I feel like "scoring more goals than anyone else in the history of the NHL" is a pretty compelling argument for "greatest goal scorer" Ovechkin has a very good case for the best currently active scorer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 plus one season was shortened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 hours ago, BI3KSA- said: Yeah but he didnt get those things. Its a BS argument to pull the "if he wasnt injured card". Compare what actually happened. Right now its Ovi > Crosby imo. It really depends entirely on what you value more, a players peak or his longevity. Ovi has got the longevity but Crosby has had the better peak. This is actually a debate that happens quite often in All time drafts with guys like Lemieux, Orr and Lindros. All three of those guys suffered significant derailment of their careers due to their injuries. When Crosby got injured he was putting up the kind of numbers that no one was close to matching. You can't possibly dismiss that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, hatedkid666 said: plus one season was shortened Yeah, he scored 32 in 48 during the lock out season. That paces for 55 in 82. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Question is, do you guys think he can reach 800 goals? I think he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Bossy Most consecutive 50+ goal seasons: 9 Most 50+ goal seasons (not necessarily consecutive): 9 (tied with Wayne Gretzky) Most 60+ goal seasons (not necessarily consecutive): 5 (tied with Wayne Gretzky) Highest goals-per-game average, career (minimum 200 total goals): .762 goals per game Most power-play goals, one playoff season: 9 (tied with Cam Neely) Most consecutive hat tricks: 3 (tied with Joe Malone, who accomplished this twice) Bossy won the following major NHL awards: Calder Trophy (rookie of the year), 1978 Conn Smythe Trophy (playoff MVP), 1982 Lady Byng Trophy (player best combining a high skill level with gentlemanly play), three times (1983, 1984, 1986) First Team All-Star, five times He also led the league in goals twice, in 1978-79 and 1980-81 (both predate the Rocket Richard Trophy). He was a part of all four Stanley Cup-winning New York Islanders teams. Here is a selected list of other official NHL record categories where Bossy was once the record-holder and/or is ranked very highly: Goals, career: 21st all-time with 573; only Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky reached 500 in fewer games Goals, regular season and playoffs combined, one season: seventh all-time with 85 (was a record at the time it was achieved) Assists by a right wing, one season: second all-time with 83 (was a record at the time it was achieved) Points by a right wing, one season: second all time with 147 (was a record at the time it was achieved) Goals by a rookie, one season: second all-time with 53 (was a record at the time it was achieved) 100+ point seasons, career: fourth all-time with 7 Goals per game, playoffs, career: Second all-time with .659 Goals per game, regular season and playoffs combined, career: Second all-time with .747 Points per game, career: third all-time Assists per game, career: eighteenth all-time Shooting percentage, career: fourth all-time with 21.18% Hat tricks, one season: tied for third all-time with 9 (was a record at the time it was achieved) Hat tricks, career: third all-time with 39 Bossy has several significant career achievements that are not official NHL records. He reached 100 career goals faster (in terms of career games played) than any other player in modern NHL history, requiring just 129 games to accomplish this. (Joe Malone-61, Newsy Lalonde-69, Cy Denneny-86, Babe Dye-86, Reg Noble-109 & Frank Nighbor-125 had previously scored 100 goals in fewer games.) He was also the fastest to various other milestones such as 200 (255 GP), 300 (381 GP), 400 (506 GP) and 500 (647 GP) goals at the time he achieved them, but currently ranks behind Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux in most of these categories. In the 1980–81 NHL season, he scored 50 goals in the first 50 games of the season - only the second player, and the first in almost 40 years, to achieve this. He remains one of only five players who can claim to have accomplished this. He is the only player to score 17 goals in three consecutive playoff years. Bossy was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1991. His #22 sweater was retired by the Islanders on March 3, 1992. In 1998, he was ranked number 20 on The Hockey News' list of the 100 Greatest Hockey Players. Ovie and Bure are the best from Russia but for me Bossy was the best from anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 6 hours ago, BI3KSA- said: Yeah but he didnt get those things. Its a BS argument to pull the "if he wasnt injured card". Compare what actually happened. Right now its Ovi > Crosby imo. Funny how only a few years ago, no one would've said that when his team was struggling. Now the Washington is on top and the Penguins are struggling, everyone says the opposite. Short memories we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, gurn said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Bossy Most consecutive 50+ goal seasons: 9 Most 50+ goal seasons (not necessarily consecutive): 9 (tied with Wayne Gretzky) Most 60+ goal seasons (not necessarily consecutive): 5 (tied with Wayne Gretzky) Highest goals-per-game average, career (minimum 200 total goals): .762 goals per game Most power-play goals, one playoff season: 9 (tied with Cam Neely) Most consecutive hat tricks: 3 (tied with Joe Malone, who accomplished this twice) Bossy won the following major NHL awards: Calder Trophy (rookie of the year), 1978 Conn Smythe Trophy (playoff MVP), 1982 Lady Byng Trophy (player best combining a high skill level with gentlemanly play), three times (1983, 1984, 1986) First Team All-Star, five times He also led the league in goals twice, in 1978-79 and 1980-81 (both predate the Rocket Richard Trophy). He was a part of all four Stanley Cup-winning New York Islanders teams. Here is a selected list of other official NHL record categories where Bossy was once the record-holder and/or is ranked very highly: Goals, career: 21st all-time with 573; only Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky reached 500 in fewer games Goals, regular season and playoffs combined, one season: seventh all-time with 85 (was a record at the time it was achieved) Assists by a right wing, one season: second all-time with 83 (was a record at the time it was achieved) Points by a right wing, one season: second all time with 147 (was a record at the time it was achieved) Goals by a rookie, one season: second all-time with 53 (was a record at the time it was achieved) 100+ point seasons, career: fourth all-time with 7 Goals per game, playoffs, career: Second all-time with .659 Goals per game, regular season and playoffs combined, career: Second all-time with .747 Points per game, career: third all-time Assists per game, career: eighteenth all-time Shooting percentage, career: fourth all-time with 21.18% Hat tricks, one season: tied for third all-time with 9 (was a record at the time it was achieved) Hat tricks, career: third all-time with 39 Bossy has several significant career achievements that are not official NHL records. He reached 100 career goals faster (in terms of career games played) than any other player in modern NHL history, requiring just 129 games to accomplish this. (Joe Malone-61, Newsy Lalonde-69, Cy Denneny-86, Babe Dye-86, Reg Noble-109 & Frank Nighbor-125 had previously scored 100 goals in fewer games.) He was also the fastest to various other milestones such as 200 (255 GP), 300 (381 GP), 400 (506 GP) and 500 (647 GP) goals at the time he achieved them, but currently ranks behind Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux in most of these categories. In the 1980–81 NHL season, he scored 50 goals in the first 50 games of the season - only the second player, and the first in almost 40 years, to achieve this. He remains one of only five players who can claim to have accomplished this. He is the only player to score 17 goals in three consecutive playoff years. Bossy was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1991. His #22 sweater was retired by the Islanders on March 3, 1992. In 1998, he was ranked number 20 on The Hockey News' list of the 100 Greatest Hockey Players. Ovie and Bure are the best from Russia but for me Bossy was the best from anywhere. Bossy played until he was 30, all his stats are in his prime. Lemieux played until he was 40 and posted a .75 goals per game vs 0.762 and stopping at age 30 in your prime. Lemieux wasn't a pure goal scorer but he was the best goal scorer ever to play the game. IMO he was the most talented player ever to play the game. Gretzky was the most intelligent, but Lemieux was the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 hours ago, mpt said: Funny how only a few years ago, no one would've said that when his team was struggling. Now the Washington is on top and the Penguins are struggling, everyone says the opposite. Short memories we have. Selective memory? Many people thought Ovi was better than Crosby, even during his teams struggles. Over their careers its been a back and forth battle for supremacy season to season and right now I believe Ovi is on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Lord Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Crosby has been well above a point per game in every season, and probably will be this year too. Ovechkin failed to hit the point per game mark in 2012, barely hit it the last two seasons, and most likely won't hit it this year. Crosby is better and it's not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyBoy44 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Fairly sure there is a big difference between a pure goal scorer and purely a goal scorer. Ovechkin is definitely the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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