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Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States

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9 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I don’t think that’s the case. There are plenty of people who thought he was a legitimate outsider to the establishment in American politics.
 

Partially because he didn’t use the metered speech that so many politicians do and they felt that quality of crassness and bravado were endearing and more honest than the average politician. Clinton’s arrogance made it easy for Drumpf to fill that void. 
 

Thing is, Drumpf is a manipulative person. He’s had the Apprentice, where he learned a lot about how easy it is to market himself to a particular facet of the public, and he’s played them like fiddles. He’s an elitist, and part of the establishment. He just hides it better, yet in plain sight. 
 

But to say that anyone who supports Drumpf is a racist, well that’s generalizing and it’s unhealthy. 

Donald Trump cares only about himself and nobody else, he will say and do anything to get ahead in life.

Its been like that since he learned how to walk and talk.

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7 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

I don’t think Zimmerman is even white since his mother is Peruvian but how is that term not racist?

If you are followed home by a black person and you refer to him as a n...... in a phone call do you think people will say you were not a racist? 

 

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2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

if you're forcing me to choose, I'd probably call "cracker" as bigoted, and if I said that about a black person it would be racist. Cracker pre-supposes the guys a subset of white US culture, a redneck a-hole (who do exist). The n word is a comment on an entire group of people. 

 

 

Bill Maher donated 1mil to Obama but referred to himself as a house n.......r on his tv show.

Jesse Jackson called New York hymie town back in the 80s.

Great Mohamed Ali said that interracial couples should be lynched 
Malcom x was staunch supporter of segregation.

Should we call them racists and antisemites?

 

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Just now, CBH1926 said:

Bill Maher donated 1mil to Obama but referred to himself as a house n.......r on his tv show.

Jesse Jackson called New York hymie town back in the 80s.

Great Mohamed Ali said that interracial couples should be lynched 
Malcom x was staunch supporter of segregation.

Should we call them racists and antisemites?

 

In that moment, yes. But I'm pretty sure they all tried to make amends regarding those comments. If Trump genuinely tried to make amends that would be a different story, but he hasn't. 

 

I can't really fault Malcom X for that idea, I mean look at what he was in the middle of. 

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23 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Obama stands by the term 'thugs,' White House says

https://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2015/04/29/obama-white-house-baltimore-stephanie-rawlings-blake/26585143/

 

 

that's racists, telling criminals that if they steal they are going to get shot?  Remind every texan to take down the sign "If you try to rob us, We don't call 911" from there store because it's racist.  It's actually pretty racist for anyone to state that the rioters and criminals are black.  Why would you do that, it wasn't implied in the tweet, infact trump stated the thugs are taking away from floyds memory.  

 

Except he never said it in that context. 

 

"So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it done"

 

He said why don't you fix that mess you helped cause in the country came from before you tell us how to live. It's no different than If a failed CEO tried to tell Elon musk that how he's running business is incorrect and Musk called him out on it. 

 

Rioters are not protestors

Obama -  "When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they’re not protesting, they’re not making a statement, they’re stealing. When they burn down a building, they’re committing arson and they’re destroying and undermining businesses and opportunities in their own communities that rob jobs and opportunity from people in that area"

 

 

 

Yep on and on...  

Robert Byrd? Oh no, that was the dems..  Here's trumps comments on racism

 

"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under our Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America."

 

 

Sounds like the words of a true racist...

 

And you say i make up evidence to fit my narrative???  I just rejected everything you through out in a span of 5 minutes. The problem is people like you don't actually care about any context in which things are used.  You see the media pick something and you jump on board.  It hinders any ability to think for yourself and logically and leave you stuck with one foot permanently cemented on one side. Maybe your memory isn't as good as you thought, or perhaps your member is based off what others wanted you to think.

 

I have one question to ask.  If an image ever appeared with trump dressed up in black face, even if he apologized what do you think the outcry would have been? Honestly.

The length that you just went to to justify your point, while overlooking the obvious, proves my point. I could have written your response verbatim.

 

And the white supremacist is Steven Miller. 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

In that moment, yes. But I'm pretty sure they all tried to make amends regarding those comments. If Trump genuinely tried to make amends that would be a different story, but he hasn't. 

 

I can't really fault Malcom X for that idea, I mean look at what he was in the middle of. 

Listen, nobody is making an argument that DT is not an asshole and much more.

For me true racist believes that his race is superior in comparison to others, that’s just me.

As far as people saying these things, I would hate to be judged entirely based on few words that I have said.

 

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59 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Bush projected Texan cowboy type of image, having ranch in Crawford and all that.

Born and raised in Connecticut, East coast Ivy League educated.

You're using the the term 'educated' very loosely there ;) 

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4 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Listen, nobody is making an argument that DT is not an asshole and much more.

For me true racist believes that his race is superior in comparison to others, that’s just me.

As far as people saying these things, I would hate to be judged entirely based on few words that I have said.

 

Yeah, but when you start pandering to the racists, you're no better than them.

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4 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Listen, nobody is making an argument that DT is not an asshole and much more.

For me true racist believes that his race is superior in comparison to others, that’s just me.

As far as people saying these things, I would hate to be judged entirely based on few words that I have said.

 

I know, we've all said things we regret. I'm being a bit of a dog on a bone about it, but like I asked Phil, I'm just trying to figure out the limits of this question: Whats the practical difference then between "being" a racist and supporting someone with racist policies?

 

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2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I know, we've all said things we regret. I'm being a bit of a dog on a bone about it, but like I asked Phil, I'm just trying to figure out the limits of this question: Whats the practical difference then between "being" a racist and supporting someone with racist policies?

 

I think a big part of the problem is that Americans only have two real choices.....

 

....some people might be deeply disturbed by Trump's words and actions, but they might be even more disturbed by abortion, or socialism. (although I think that's silly fear) They would have nowhere to go.....

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11 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Yeah, but when you start pandering to the racists, you're no better than them.

If I was a betting man I would say that DT has said plenty of racist things in his life.

As far as his voters go, who knows every single motivation of 60m people that voted for him.
Your pandering point is accurate also.

 

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1 minute ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

The length that you just went to to justify your point, while overlooking the obvious, proves my point. I could have written your response verbatim.

 

And the white supremacist is Steven Miller. 

So you disagree with the actual facts I provided, along with the evidence, which completely debunked your entire position.  I'm open for discussion and to have my mind changed but instead of replying on why you disagree, you dismiss everything and run away?  To you it's obvious, but have you ever, just for objectivity tried to look at things without a bias and considered the lens you are looking through. Maybe what you think is obvious actually only exits because you desperately searching for it?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I think a big part of the problem is that Americans only have two real choices.....

 

....some people might be deeply disturbed by Trump's words and actions, but they might be even more disturbed by abortion, or socialism. (although I think that's silly fear) They would have nowhere to go.....

yup for sure thats a big part of it. Its also easier to make choices that have potential racist consequences when it won't effect you nearly as much.

 

 

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I doubt Tara Reade’a accusations of Joe Biden, but let’s say it’s true.

If I vote for Joe in November am I supporter of women being assaulted and raped?

What if I don’t vote and Trump wins, have I indirectly supported racist regime?

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3 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

I doubt Tara Reade’a accusations of Joe Biden, but let’s say it’s true.

If I vote for Joe in November am I supporter of women being assaulted and raped?

What if I don’t vote and Trump wins, have I indirectly supported racist regime?

 

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30 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

is it generalizing if you knew his full history and still chose to vote for him?

Again some folks might choose to vote for him purely for reasons of business. He won over a lot of small business owners with his tax reform for them specifically. 
 

A lot of voters silo and compartmentalize their feelings about political leaders if they see personal benefit and financial growth from that political leader. The pill is easier to swallow when they make more money. 

30 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

help me understand the practical difference between being a racist and supporting a racist.

I can’t. All I can do is reiterate what I said before. People will tend to put their personal beliefs on hold when they stand to benefit financially. It’s proven over and over again. 
 

Drumpf is nothing more than an opportunist that does whatever will enrich him first. 

30 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I think the support we give to people like him might just be where the real change needs to happen. Aren't we just complicit if we keep accepting people like him as leaders? 

The establishment is the problem as much as the megalomaniac. While the GOP is a vile political organization that’s compromised completely, the DNC isn’t really that much different. They’re both horribly partisan. 

 

People have to demand larger changes than just moving a goalpost once every few years. The establishment on both sides wants to keep the establishment happy and well fed. Giving more to the average person and taking more from the top doesn’t work for them. 

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5 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

 

Trump is what I would call a "casual racist". He isn't out there carrying a Tiki Torch, chanting "Jews will not replace us", but he's the guy would could see an African American CEO at a golf club and automatically ask him if he was his caddy.

 

It's like the time when family separations at the Mexican border were in full swing and he deided to trot out a Hispanic Border Services Guard to "prove" he wasn't a racist....but he couldn't help himself....as the man stepped to the stage Trump said "Speaks perfect English folks".....completely unaware that he was saying something offensive....

 

This is what separates Trump from the Tiki guys, or the ones in the pointy hoods. Trump believes his own BS. When he stands at the podium and tells us he's the "least racist person" we'll ever meet, he absolutely believes it, as ridiculous as that assertion is.

Yeah I think you nailed it here. He's whatever he has to be. He'll often take both sides of an issue just to send people round and round in circles. This thread is a perfect example. You have people searching old quotes to prove he didn't say this or that. Then someone else points to a counter quote.

 

What they fail to realize is likes to take both sides of an issue. Take Charlottesville for example. That "very fine people on both sides" quote got him in a lot of trouble. But you can find other quotes where he did condemn the Neo Nazis. He does this so his defenders (like Sarah Sanders) can toss that in the water like chum and dismiss the lunacy he's created. Then people just go back and forth foaming at the mouth on both sides and nothing is accomplished.

 

He's on record as saying he enjoys chaos. He loves to see people fighting (at least verbally). A person who thinks like that and has no guiding principals is literally the worst possible person you could ever pick to be a leader.

 

Imagine a captain of a hockey team like that. Always dividing, always creating and relishing in chaos. No interest in cohesion but rather mayhem. The giving interviews and blaming everyone else. That's not how you make your team great again.

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4 hours ago, Pears said:

If you wanna celebrate Trump for god knows what reason go join one of the moron MAGA pages on Facebook, we don’t do that here. 

Why can’t it be both? That’s the great thing about democracy and freedom is thatthere can be more than 1 perspective on someone. The vast majority of people in North America love Trump. Fact. 

 

 The only places that don’t in concerning numbers are places like Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago and Montreal. 

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