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Donald J. Trump, 45th US President of the United States

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1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

Don't you guys need someone like him? Otherwise it's the same few posters knocking anything and everything Trump. 

 

Not really, Ryan. I haven't been here from the very beginning, but I have been here going on three years. In that time a lot of Trump sympathizers, disciples, advocates, whatever you want to call them, have come and gone. The very worst of them had certain things in common:

 

1. They resorted to labelling Trump critics as Libtards, snowflakes, Dims, Dumbs, Dems and other provocative forms of address designed to demean and diminish.

2. They attacked people, not problems or issues.

3. They almost universally used sarcasm, which often does NOT come across in written form.

4. They adopt an adversarial approach and view every statement made by those with opposing views as an opportunity to attack.

5. They generally depend on alt-right and other fringe wackos for their information and cues about what to think.

6. They honestly believe that the news media makes things up to make Trump look bad.

7. They honestly believe in Q-Anon, Deep State conspiracies, the Clintons run a child sex ring, and that Trump is really smart.

 

Coastal View has the right idea. If nobody responds to those who would provoke them, those provocateurs go away. Even the biggest windbags grow weary of trash talking to an empty room.

 

 

 

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TRUMP!! works so much.  50% of the time in unstructured "Executive Time".  Tireless leader.  LOL

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/429350-more-of-trumps-personal-schedules-leaked-to-press-report

 

More of Trump's personal schedules leaked to press: Axios

The schedule can be found here:

 

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5733531-Axios-POTUS-Schedules.html

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

What exactly is election reform in the US?

Financing reform, electoral college change, voter registration, runoff rules etc.

Basically making changes to current system.

 

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5 hours ago, Gnarcore said:

I am glad you and your 59 posts have decided what can and cannot be done in a 3000+ page thread.  

and i'd like to add,

since i note that the comment you responded to is in response to a post of mine,

that i can fully decide who i wish to give my attention to or not

 

a plethora of lies and other outrageous commentary

does not warrant equal time from me

you are free to post as you wish . i am free to ignore it... you are free to ignore me

and i will not complain about that at all

this has little to do with hatred.. that would take too much energy on my part

 

my comment was directed more at others who noted repeated posting behaviours

that reappear in time

i simply proffered my view of how to handle such reappearing posters

and i stand by my approach

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3 hours ago, Toews said:

I think you might be remembering him a little too fondly. 

How does that line go again?  ...absence makes the heart go fonder?

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4 hours ago, Toews said:

I think you might be remembering him a little too fondly. 

I remember pages of just self-quoting.

 

You'd check in on this thread and have to forward a few pages. In hindsight it was all the stuff they say Russia might be behind. So I suppose it was informative. 

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Canada Hockey Place said:

I remember pages of just self-quoting.

 

You'd check in on this thread and have to forward a few pages. In hindsight it was all the stuff they say Russia might be behind. So I suppose it was informative. 

 

 

 

 

Having Harv around meant we got to know what the wing-nuts were currently raging about. Now it feels like we are flying in the dark. :unsure:

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4 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

How does that line go again?  ...absence makes the heart go fonder?

I prefer, "Out of sight, out of mind."

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7 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

Financing reform, electoral college change, voter registration, runoff rules etc.

Basically making changes to current system.

 

Probably a good idea.

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10 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

How does that line go again?  ...absence makes the heart go fonder?

It's "grow"...and Toews is right, people might be forgetting some things about Harv.....

 

One surprising thing that many have missed or forgotten is that he came out and admitted that he was trolling early on. Later on he refused to acknowledge that he had done so, (but didn't deny it outright) because, I suppose, he was having too much fun.

 

Trolling is one thing, but what eventually led to his ouster was the promotion of silly conspiracy theories. (I don't know if he actually believed them, or was trolling again) Harv never met a conspiracy theory he didn't like. Q-Anon, the Seth Rich "assassination", Deep State....

 

The final straw was the Las Vegas shooting, where he trotted out conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory, each one brought up as the previous one was debunked. He was warned by the mods to cut it out and after ignoring the warning, was banned. (and rightfully so, IMO) It's one thing to have fun with silliness like Q-Anon and Deep State, but where the deaths of 50+ people are involved, that's another thing altogether.

 

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Donald Trump.....putting the "Dip" into diplomacy:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/why-much-of-the-world-now-feels-more-threatened-by-the-us-than-by-china-or-russia/ar-BBTriJP?li=AAggFp4

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If 2017 was the year foreign observers of U.S. politics struggled to decide where the country was headed, 2018 was the year they came to a conclusion: not in the right direction. Far more people around the world now believe that their countries are threatened by U.S. power and influence under President Trump than they are by the other global heavyweights, Russia or China, according to a new Pew Research Center survey released on Sunday.

 

While 45 percent of respondents in 26 large countries interviewed between May and August last year said that the United States posed “a major threat to our country,” only 36 percent said the same about Russia and 35 percent about China. Back in 2013 — under President Barack Obama — only 25 percent of global respondents held that view about the United States, while 34 percent considered China to be a major threat to their countries at the time. Data for Russia were not available that year.

 

During Trump’s first year in office, global approval of U.S. leadership began to drop significantly, with 38 percent saying they viewed the United States as a threat — compared to 33 percent saying the same about Russia and 34 percent about China. While China’s standing appears to have remained largely unchanged since, the percentage of people who now consider the United States a threat has almost doubled within just half a decade.

 

The sudden rise of the United States as a perceived major threat in other countries likely comes down to a number of different factors. The most prominent one is Trump. His trade wars and affronts against traditional alliances have unsettled U.S. partners and allies in Europe and other parts of the world, where “U.S. power and influence,” as the Pew survey phrased it, has become tightly associated with Trump himself. While 49 percent of Germans said they considered “U.S. power and influence” to be a top security concern, only 30 percent said the same about Russia. (The ratio of Germans fearing U.S. power is in fact now higher than the share of Russians who are concerned about the United States.) In Britain, which prides itself for having a special relationship with the United States, 37 percent still said they feared Washington’s leadership posed a threat to their nation, too.

Support remained high in countries with large conservative electorates, including Poland and Hungary, as well as Israel, where Trump was applauded last year for moving the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

 

In Latin America, Trump’s hard-line immigration policies and his insistence on building a wall on the U.S. border with Mexico have earned him few friends, however. In all three surveyed Latin American countries — Brazil, Argentina and Mexico — more than half the population said the United States posed a major threat.

 

Animosity toward the United States was also high in countries directly impacted by Trump’s highest-stakes act of diplomacy so far. Despite Trump’s summit with Kim Jong Un, a vast majority of people in South Korea and Japan said U.S. power and influence were perilous. The Pew survey was conducted while negotiations between the United States and North Korea were still ongoing, so the data may not fully capture public opinion in those two countries by the end of last year. But for a president who has said that “everyone thinks” he should get a Nobel Peace Prize for his role in the North Korea talks, the Pew data may be disappointing.

 

The survey comes at a time when Trump also appears to be following through on his promises to withdraw troops from Syria and Afghanistan, effectively disengaging from international conflicts, despite warnings by allies that the time may not be right. Trump’s rhetoric and unpredictable attacks on allies and foes alike also appear to have made him a bigger target of public animosity than the human rights violations committed by other major powers. China’s brutal detention campaign of up to 1 million Uighurs and other minorities appears to weigh less heavily in the survey, perhaps because China’s human rights violations have so far been restricted to certain groups. Only 22 percent of Swedes said they considered China to be a major threat.

 

Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014 and its attempts to meddle in Western elections have infuriated (some) leaders of the affected countries, but concerns over Moscow’s intentions are far less pronounced elsewhere.

 

Russia and China may be deeply unpopular in some places, but in international rankings they’re still able to balance those sentiments out. In China’s case, significant financial investments abroad may have helped, while Russia’s military maneuvers have so far rarely extended beyond Europe and parts of the Middle East.

 

In comparison, animosity and skepticism toward the United States are relatively evenly distributed across the globe, likely reflecting both the country’s large footprint in various regions and particularly strong feelings on Trump.

 

Trump may be able to find some comfort in the fact that the United States is actually not considered the world’s biggest threat by the citizens of the 26 polled nations. Instead, climate change came out on top last year, followed by the Islamic State group.

 

Trump’s perception of global threats doesn’t appear to be exactly aligned with that view of the world, however. One of the president’s early moves was to withdraw from the Paris climate accord that aimed to lower the emissions most believe are behind climate change, followed by his more recent victory claim over the Islamic State and withdrawal of the troops confronting it.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

It's "grow"...and Toews is right, people might be forgetting some things about Harv.....

 

One surprising thing that many have missed or forgotten is that he came out and admitted that he was trolling early on. Later on he refused to acknowledge that he had done so, (but didn't deny it outright) because, I suppose, he was having too much fun.

 

Trolling is one thing, but what eventually led to his ouster was the promotion of silly conspiracy theories. (I don't know if he actually believed them, or was trolling again) Harv never met a conspiracy theory he didn't like. Q-Anon, the Seth Rich "assassination", Deep State....

 

The final straw was the Las Vegas shooting, where he trotted out conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory, each one brought up as the previous one was debunked. He was warned by the mods to cut it out and after ignoring the warning, was banned. (and rightfully so, IMO) It's one thing to have fun with silliness like Q-Anon and Deep State, but where the deaths of 50+ people are involved, that's another thing altogether.

 

I think it was the Parkland massacre that did Harv in. It only took about an hour after the shooting for Harv to start claiming the perpetrator hasn’t been the shooter and it was all a false flag attack. After that post, he was gone.   

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I love Urban Dictionary

Executive Time: Time spent alone in bed, performing unproductive activities like watching television, playing on a cell phone or masturbating.

Example: "President Trump’s official day typically doesn’t begin until 11 A.M. and ends relatively early, around 6 P.M., to accommodate 'Executive Time.' ”

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37 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

I love Urban Dictionary

Executive Time: Time spent alone in bed, performing unproductive activities like watching television, playing on a cell phone or masturbating.

Example: "President Trump’s official day typically doesn’t begin until 11 A.M. and ends relatively early, around 6 P.M., to accommodate 'Executive Time.' ”

We love to joke about the Dotard's executive time, but truthfully, I'm okay with it. The less time he puts in at the office, the less damage he can do, IMHO...

 

I remember a friend making a comment to me about a former boss of mine, whom was widely regarded as a jerk: "He should take two vacations a year.....for six months at a time...."

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This is the kind of story that makes me sad for our US buddies, whether its coming from the left or the right. A lot of the "memes" about this are probably Russian. But whats sad is how much traction it seems to get. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/politics/kamala-harris-prosecutor-breakfast-club/index.html

Harris takes on questions about her 'blackness'

 

 

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21 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Look Bernards

I am trying to dial it back here....

 

When I went there for 3 weeks, I had my eyes opened......they are a very advanced society, far more than Canada, in how progressive they are......

Quite honestly....Canada and United Staes could both pay attention and learn from them......

Norways immigration is like any other democratic country ………….

 

I am sorry, I have always been a very strong supporter of the States, but I am very disappointed with the Republican rank and file that have allowed Trump to act the way he has.

If he was my neighbour, he would be better behaved.....I would not put up with his antics.... he is not what I think of as an American patriot......he is a very poor role model

and I am disappointed in anyone saying different.

 

I honestly think he will be proven to be what he has been accused of, and time will tell

 

I have not disapproved of American policy up until these last couple of years......regardless of who was in power, and these are things in this administration that I have agreed with for you Americans....re...Nato members paying their fair share...…...but they are far and few between, and most of it is from Trump......I do not like him...….

I noticed and give you credit for it.

 

Norway has strict immigration which I support. I did not deny socialism is working there presently.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/norway-is-hard-on-migrants-but-tough-love-works/

 

Trump is not a politician and the swamp is taking advantage of it. It's up to us to see through the algae. There is virtually nothing he has done wrong except not fighting harder to bring troops back. Generic racist, misogynist, etc,  calls are all his opponents have. Be specific in a criticism and I'll explain why it's unjustified.

 

 

21 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Norway is a socialist democracy 

Sweden

Finland

Iceland

France

UK

Ireland

Switzerland

Netherlands

Germany

 

Essentially the entire EU is comprised of nations run by socialist democracies.  Almost all of them are considered to be ahead of the US in a number of very key factors.  All of them taxed higher than the US.

 

Venezuela was a socialist state, then Chavez turned it in to a dictatorial nation 7 years ago.  This is an important distinction because they didn't have these issues until Chavez decided to push back and assume control

 

Learn the difference.  

 

As for "if I lived in Norway" you'd get everything you put in, that's how it works.  Nor do they have "restricted immigration" any different than what Canada has.  They have less viable land to settle people so they restrict their numbers just like Canada but have far more welcoming programs and settlement/placements for entrants to the country.

 

It's amusing when people pipe up about things they don't understand then wonder why they've had their intelligence called in to question

Socialist democracy is a just a subjective label which I'm not interested in discussing. The country's you list have all done well but will all struggle unless they wake up and stop trending left like suicidal lemmings. Whether it be Saudi Arabia or Norway, oil wealth can make any system operable. Too bad Canadians wont try it out. Check out the Norwegian immigration link I posted above so you can get up to date on their stringent (racist?) policies.

 

19 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Venezuela Always the retort moron right wingers use against socialism.  

 

One question.   Is the Venezuelan government and economy free of meddling from the U.S.?  

 

The answer is a great big hard NO.

 

The meddling by the U.S. and the sanctions are playing a MAJOR role in the problems in Venezuela. 

 

Norway has none of those issues.  So Venezuela is NOT a valid retort to socialism. 

 

The other countries that Hippy listed would be valid examples of what socialism would be possible in the U.S. and ARE what people like Bernie and AOC are talking about.

 

You can take your Venezuela talk and shove it.  Not valid.  Not even remotely comparable. 

 

That is the truth and you can't handle it.

You should stick to posting clips from Jimmy Kimmel, the black face virtue signaller in chief. I was answering a question on Venezuela.

 

19 hours ago, Gnarcore said:

Venezuela is an example of a dictatorship more than social policies. It is an example of the corruption of unchecked power more than anything. 

 

19 hours ago, Gnarcore said:

I am glad you and your 59 posts have decided what can and cannot be done in a 3000+ page thread.  

We should all be free to post what we believe. People who want to kill the fun should be discouraged.

 

17 hours ago, Warhippy said:

No, you're right.  But at least Harvey for all his intentional trolling backed up what he was saying with facts.  he used credible arguments.

 

I can respect that.

 

Nux and Bernie, not so much

I don't make up imaginary poll results, and I do provide links. Are you the person who should judge what's credible and what isn't.

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5 minutes ago, Bernards said:

I noticed and give you credit for it.

 

Norway has strict immigration which I support. I did not deny socialism is working there presently.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/norway-is-hard-on-migrants-but-tough-love-works/

 

Trump is not a politician and the swamp is taking advantage of it. It's up to us to see through the algae. There is virtually nothing he has done wrong except not fighting harder to bring troops back. Generic racist, misogynist, etc,  calls are all his opponents have. Be specific in a criticism and I'll explain why it's unjustified.

 

 

Socialist democracy is a just a subjective label which I'm not interested in discussing. The country's you list have all done well but will all struggle unless they wake up and stop trending left like suicidal lemmings. Whether it be Saudi Arabia or Norway, oil wealth can make any system operable. Too bad Canadians wont try it out. Check out the Norwegian immigration link I posted above so you can get up to date on their stringent (racist?) policies.

 

1) You should stick to posting clips from Jimmy Kimmel, the black face virtue signaller in chief. I was answering a question on Venezuela.

 

 

2) We should all be free to post what we believe.

 

3) I don't make up imaginary poll results, and I do provide links. Are you the person who should judge what's credible and what isn't.

1) Oh snap.  Thing is, I think that the last time I posted a Jimmy Kimmel clip in this thread was when the healthcare debate was raging.  You know, because his son required some really expensive, invasive healthcare interventions and the GOP plan would have resulted in millions losing healthcare.  A plan that an overwhelming majority disapproved of.

 

You may have Jimmy mistaken for Seth Meyers and Seth's "A Close Look" segments.  Then your attempted burn would have landed a lot better.  As it stands, not so much.

 

2) I do post what I want to post.  I don't need your permission and approval as to what I post.  

 

3)  Here are some links to back up my claim that an overwhelming majority of Americans disapprove of the GOP and their handling of healthcare:

 

https://www.npr.org/2017/06/28/534612954/just-17-percent-of-americans-approve-of-republican-senate-health-care-bill

 

http://fortune.com/2017/05/25/republican-health-care-plan-voters-disapprove/

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/28/senate-gop-health-care-bill-has-dismal-approval-rating-poll.html

 

http://time.com/4962063/approval-poll-republican-health-care-obamacare-repeal/

 

I could go on.  I'm sure you will screech FAKE NEWS.  LIBERAL BIAS.  That isn't a valid retort.

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10 minutes ago, Bernards said:

1.  Norway has strict immigration which I support. I did not deny socialism is working there presently.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/norway-is-hard-on-migrants-but-tough-love-works/

 

2.  Trump is not a politician and the swamp is taking advantage of it. It's up to us to see through the algae. There is virtually nothing he has done wrong except not fighting harder to bring troops back. Generic racist, misogynist, etc,  calls are all his opponents have. Be specific in a criticism and I'll explain why it's unjustified.

 

 

3.  Socialist democracy is a just a subjective label which I'm not interested in discussing. The country's you list have all done well but will all struggle unless they wake up and stop trending left like suicidal lemmings. Whether it be Saudi Arabia or Norway, oil wealth can make any system operable. Too bad Canadians wont try it out. Check out the Norwegian immigration link I posted above so you can get up to date on their stringent (racist?) policies.

 

 

1.  Norways new policies closely mimic Canadas in the new rules regarding family reunification, eligible entrants, allowance is not a gift but a loan.  The only thing they've done is force them to integrate in harder areas that need a workforce.  Much of these new rules are actually barely 4 years old as the big immigration reform push didn't start until 2015..  So much of their immigration policy is still unchanged.  As for Presently.  Norway and the other countries I have mentioned have had that system of governance from literal decades and in some cases a century and more.  So your "working there presently" statement is laughable at best

 

Here is what experts, with credentials have said regarding the Socialism statements dominating the ignorant lately

 

In a short telephone call, Laura Macdonald, a Carleton University professor and former director of the school's Institute of Political Economy, offered the following:

"Socialism is a broad ideology that has different variants, but in general is associated with greater faith in the role of the state versus the market, and a skepticism about the capacity of the market, on its own, to deliver both growth and social equity."

As a term, she said, socialism is contextual, which means to say it depends on how you use it.

"I don't think Donald Trump would call us socialist, but probably he thinks we're dangerously close to that and that may be one of the reasons he doesn't like Canada very much," Macdonald said.

Stella Gaon, a theorist at Saint Mary's University in Halifax who specializes in the economic and intellectual origins of political thought, says Trump's remarks hark back to the era of McCarthyism.

"This is just anti-commie rhetoric from the 1950s," Gaon said. "Nobody even knows what socialism is."

Liberalism vs. socialism

Socialism and liberalism are both rooted in the Enlightenment values of freedom, rationality and equality, she said.

The difference between socialism and liberalism is that socialists don't believe equality is real unless you include economic equality.

In its purest theoretical form, socialism required people to be equally rich, an ideal that Gaon said has never been attained in practice. In its original form, it also required the state to be in control of everything. No private businesses allowed.

 

Socialism has come a long way since the days when socialism and communism meant roughly the same thing, said Tom Flanagan, a political theorist and professor emeritus at the University of Calgary.

Socialism meant the state control of all industry and "the replacement of the markets by an administrative economy," said Flanagan, a conservative political activist who was an adviser to former Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper.

But since then, and especially after the creation of the Soviet top-down communist system in the 20th century, social democracy became the mainstream form of socialism outside communist countries, a kind of watered-down version we see in northern Europe and elsewhere that attempts to share the wealth and equalize opportunity without requiring economic equality.

 

2.  Be specific of criticism?  Hot damn ok

 

Time away from office

Tax returns

Gifting large donors seats of power that are knowingly being used to enrich themselves

Nepotism, blatant nepotism

Time spent golfing

Wasted money on security details for private taxpayer funded trips to his private estate.

His barely working 6 hours a day at best

 

I won't even BOTHER touching his official moves because that's too easy.  Please address those

 

3.  Socialist democracy is just a subjective label?  To what?  Not interested in discussing why?  You and others use the term socialism like it's an insult or somehow a bad thing.    Again the countries I listed have all had that system of governance for decades and in some cases a century or more.  Countries that have been to the left of centre on the political spectrum since...forever.  Only Norway has that oil wealth, what is your excuse for the rest?  Saudi Arabia has oil wealth, is more of a capitalist dictatorship and it's people are dirt poor unless the ruling family says otherwise.  Canadians did try it out, see the NEPO.  But good people listened to the lies being told to them and said let the eastern b******s freeze I the dark, then opted to sell Canadian oil for even cheaper to the US via NAFTA.

 

I am also very well acquainted with Norways "strict policies". see item 1.  You posted 1 link, but forgot to mention how these new policies are actually closely mirroring Canada's and have largely only been in place since 2015 after the advent of the EU's Schengen zone.  I might also add that the changes have actually been fairly minor and not as sweeping as you or others somehow want to claim they are.  The crisis that actually had those new policies put in place is largely over as well, from 31,000 in 2015 to barely 2100 last year.  Much of that due to the backlog of human migration coming to an end largely based on new humanitarian efforts in the countries where NATO and UN backed forces have effectively bombed their countries to dust in Libya/Syria/Iraq/Yemen.  

 

Another irony.  OMG I hate the immigration issue.  But, what about the bombing of the countries those people are coming from?  Well we have to defeat isis and terrorism and and and...but you're creating the refugees you're worried about.  Well we can't just let them in they might be angry and they might be terrorists with a grudge.  Oh?  Why...why might they be angry?

 

https://www.thelocal.no/20170926/what-eight-years-of-right-wing-rule-will-mean-for-foreigners-in-norway

 

https://www.dw.com/en/world-in-progress-harsh-but-fair-norways-restrictive-refugee-policy/av-44314302

 

https://norskbloggen.no/en/new-rules-for-immigration-to-norway

 

Anyways.  Carry on carrying on.

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