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Donald J. Trump, 45th US President of the United States

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47 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

 

 

2.  Be specific of criticism?  Hot damn ok

 

Time away from office

Tax returns

Gifting large donors seats of power that are knowingly being used to enrich themselves

Nepotism, blatant nepotism

Time spent golfing

Wasted money on security details for private taxpayer funded trips to his private estate.

His barely working 6 hours a day at best

 

I won't even BOTHER touching his official moves because that's too easy.  Please address those

Time away from the office is a concern for a junior exec and CNN.

 

If he did something wrong with his tax returns he would be in jail. It is no business to Democrats or anyone otherwise. Why would it be?

 

He shouldn't hire people who agree with him? He promised business leaders in government and tried but it was soon evident the media would protect their swamp friends and not allow anyone from the private sector contribute without severe pain.  Beyond that, I don't know who your referring to specifically.

 

Nepotism. I agree and it's very disappointing but not unprecedented.

 

The more time golfing the better, but he doesn't seem to be doing as much as I would have hoped. 

 

Security details are more necessary than ever because of the Democrats encouraging confrontations. The country is capable of accommodating the needs of any president no matter what their circumstance rich or poor. It's up to us to see through the algae the media throws out.

 

We both know he's working 24/7.  He's watching the news and strategizing. He knows where the real threats to the country are coming from. This would also be an example of not being a good politician and putting out phony schedules.

 

 

 

47 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

3.  Socialist democracy is just a subjective label?  To what?  Not interested in discussing why?  You and others use the term socialism like it's an insult or somehow a bad

Socialism and communism are systems which any caring person would ascribe to, but we know they don't work, so we must stick to the safety of capitalism. Briefly, I think they fail because bad apples rise to the top, lazy vs non lazy conflict and humans are competitive creatures.

 

47 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

 

thing.    Again the countries I listed have all had that system of governance for decades and in some cases a century or more.  Countries that have been to the left of centre on the political spectrum since...forever.  Only Norway has that oil wealth, what is your excuse for the rest?  Saudi Arabia has oil wealth, is more of a capitalist dictatorship and it's people are dirt poor unless the ruling family says otherwise.  Canadians did try it out, see the NEPO.  But good people listened to the lies being told to them and said let the eastern b******s freeze I the dark, then opted to sell Canadian oil for even cheaper to the US via NAFTA.

 

I am also very well acquainted with Norways "strict policies". see item 1.  You posted 1 link, but forgot to mention how these new policies are actually closely mirroring Canada's and have largely only been in place since 2015 after the advent of the EU's Schengen zone.  I might also add that the changes have actually been fairly minor and not as sweeping as you or others somehow want to claim they are.  The crisis that actually had those new policies put in place is largely over as well, from 31,000 in 2015 to barely 2100 last year.  Much of that due to the backlog of human migration coming to an end largely based on new humanitarian efforts in the countries where NATO and UN backed forces have effectively bombed their countries to dust in Libya/Syria/Iraq/Yemen.  

 

Another irony.  OMG I hate the immigration issue.  But, what about the bombing of the countries those people are coming from?  Well we have to defeat isis and terrorism and and and...but you're creating the refugees you're worried about.  Well we can't just let them in they might be angry and they might be terrorists with a grudge.  Oh?  Why...why might they be angry?

The Taliban were defiant after 911 and their country was destroyed as a result. If they harbour terrorists again, destroy them again. Don't stay there. The message has been sent that if you harbour terrorists who attack the US your country will be destroyed. Maybe that will work now.

 

47 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

OK. You too.

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1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

1) Oh snap.  Thing is, I think that the last time I posted a Jimmy Kimmel clip in this thread was when the healthcare debate was raging.  You know, because his son required some really expensive, invasive healthcare interventions and the GOP plan would have resulted in millions losing healthcare.  A plan that an overwhelming majority disapproved of.

 

You may have Jimmy mistaken for Seth Meyers and Seth's "A Close Look" segments.  Then your attempted burn would have landed a lot better.  As it stands, not so much.

 

2) I do post what I want to post.  I don't need your permission and approval as to what I post.  

 

3)  Here are some links to back up my claim that an overwhelming majority of Americans disapprove of the GOP and their handling of healthcare:

 

 

I could go on.  I'm sure you will screech FAKE NEWS.  LIBERAL BIAS.  That isn't a valid retort.

I was just suggesting you stick to what you're good at, posting videos from Hollywood airheads.  When you stepped out and decided to call me a moron, you stepped in it.

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8 minutes ago, Bernards said:

I was just suggesting you stick to what you're good at, posting videos from Hollywood airheads.  When you stepped out and decided to call me a moron, you stepped in it.

I've done more than post videos from Hollywood airheads.  Thing is, Seth is based in NEW YORK, not HOLLYWOOD. 

 

Please point out where I posted that Bernards is a moron.  I think the post, a response to one of your posts, went like this:

 

"Venezuela  Always the retort moron right wingers use against socialism."  

 

It wasn't about you specifically.  But I guess you took it as a direct personal insult of your intelligence.  You know, because you use Venezuela as a retort to socialism. 

 

And what exactly did I step into??  Inquiring minds would like to know. 

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31 minutes ago, Bernards said:

Time away from the office is a concern for a junior exec and CNN.

 

If he did something wrong with his tax returns he would be in jail. It is no business to Democrats or anyone otherwise. Why would it be?

 

He shouldn't hire people who agree with him? He promised business leaders in government and tried but it was soon evident the media would protect their swamp friends and not allow anyone from the private sector contribute without severe pain.  Beyond that, I don't know who your referring to specifically.

 

Nepotism. I agree and it's very disappointing but not unprecedented.

 

The more time golfing the better, but he doesn't seem to be doing as much as I would have hoped. 

 

Security details are more necessary than ever because of the Democrats encouraging confrontations. The country is capable of accommodating the needs of any president no matter what their circumstance rich or poor. It's up to us to see through the algae the media throws out.

 

We both know he's working 24/7.  He's watching the news and strategizing. He knows where the real threats to the country are coming from. This would also be an example of not being a good politician and putting out phony schedules.

 

 

 

Socialism and communism are systems which any caring person would ascribe to, but we know they don't work, so we must stick to the safety of capitalism. Briefly, I think they fail because bad apples rise to the top, lazy vs non lazy conflict and humans are competitive creatures.

 

The Taliban were defiant after 911 and their country was destroyed as a result. If they harbour terrorists again, destroy them again. Don't stay there. The message has been sent that if you harbour terrorists who attack the US your country will be destroyed. Maybe that will work now.

 

OK. You too.

I want badly to respond to all this.  But you're proving me right in questioning your intelligence.  You're not here for the back and forth.  You're here for attention.  I for one am done giving it to you.

 

You don't debate you ignore facts and then claim the end result is your evidence when the opinions you give are at best simply opinions.

 

Clam, it's good to see you again and I was wondering what it would take to draw you out.  Turns out it was the same old argument you cannot ignore.

 

The regulars who have been here long enough will be able to see what I mean if they read through your last few responses.

 

Go to a shelter, adept a pet.  Find a hobby.  Trump is an idiot, the people that support him are idiots and ignoring the simple facts I pointed out in steps 1 and 2 to try to find a circuitous way to show people you're correct in your beliefs is childishly transparent.

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16 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I want badly to respond to all this.  But you're proving me right in questioning your intelligence.  You're not here for the back and forth.  You're here for attention.  I for one am done giving it to you.

 

You don't debate you ignore facts and then claim the end result is your evidence when the opinions you give are at best simply opinions.

 

Clam, it's good to see you again and I was wondering what it would take to draw you out.  Turns out it was the same old argument you cannot ignore.

 

The regulars who have been here long enough will be able to see what I mean if they read through your last few responses.

 

Go to a shelter, adept a pet.  Find a hobby.  Trump is an idiot, the people that support him are idiots and ignoring the simple facts I pointed out in steps 1 and 2 to try to find a circuitous way to show people you're correct in your beliefs is childishly transparent.

Don't worry, clam can't help himself. Eventually the conversation will shift to race issues in America and he'll get banned again. 

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30 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Don't worry, clam can't help himself. Eventually the conversation will shift to race issues in America and he'll get banned again. 

Maybe I am wrong.  Maybe it isn't Clam.

 

But if it isn't and I am wrong

 

I find itinherently disturbing that the exact same arguments, the exact same beliefs and statements can be parrotted so completely lock step by trump supporters.  They complain about msm, they complain about the masses being manipulated but it's like triggering an automated response when you push the right button.

 

Trump is working hard

He is identifiying his enemies.

Democrats are encouraging violence

Golfing is good

Obama bad

Hillary bad

Socialism

Norway

Antifa

 

I mean, it's literally the exact same response in a different colour crayong from his entire base.  Pretending his golfing is GOOD?  HE is actually working?  I mean come on.  A brainwashed mass of sheep that is bent on keeping the status quo is still dangerous.  Which is why intelligence and law enforcement have identified those on the far right as credible threats to security

 

Stupidity is dangerous

 

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3 hours ago, Bernards said:

I noticed and give you credit for it.

 

Norway has strict immigration which I support. I did not deny socialism is working there presently.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/norway-is-hard-on-migrants-but-tough-love-works/

 

Trump is not a politician and the swamp is taking advantage of it. It's up to us to see through the algae. There is virtually nothing he has done wrong except not fighting harder to bring troops back. Generic racist, misogynist, etc,  calls are all his opponents have. Be specific in a criticism and I'll explain why it's unjustified.

 

 

Socialist democracy is a just a subjective label which I'm not interested in discussing.

Exactly. So many here throw social democracy around but it’s such a vague term. You even see people confusing the term with socialism or democratic socilsm. Both are very different. One could make a value arguement that USA is already a social democracy.  It’s too easy for people to point at a few social programs and use that as defining evidence for a country being a “social democracy” but that’s not really what it means. 

 

The easy assumption people use to define as a prime example is Norway and the fact that state owned enterprises accounts for 60% of there countries GDP. Now that number is a bit misleading as he majority of that is driving by one enterprice (Equinor) with is the main oil company. But when you start to consider that only 10% of the workforce is employed by these state own enterprises shows that majority of people still work for capitalist firms. Norway is still very free market driven which in itself is not socialism. They are union focused which is where things differ. There is no minimum wage law, the personal income tax is actually lower than most Scandinavian countries. Norway’s top marginal tax rate is just shy of 40%. Not unlike many US states already have. When people claim the want for socialism and then use Norway as the example. You just have to laugh. 

 

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The country's you list have all done well but will all struggle unless they wake up and stop trending left like suicidal lemmings.

 

Many of those country’s have already started moving more right. We’re seeing a rise in right idealogy in frances Netherlands, austria and Germany. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Exactly. So many here throw socialism around but it’s such a vague term. You even see people confusing the term with communism or dictatorship. Both are very different. One could make a value arguement that USA is already a social democracy.  It’s too easy for people to point at a few social programs and use that as defining evidence for a country being socialist but that’s not really what it means. 

 

The easy assumption people use to define as a prime example is Venezuela.  Venezuela is still very free market driven which in itself is not socialism

 

There.  That argument seems to address a lot of the same statements the right makes.  Edit**  This is to say the right use the same argument the left does as a mirror but both ignore the broader scope of things

 

The issue with Norway is that this seems to be the prime example for both the right AND the left.  The left use it as a viable example of what modern socialism or social democracies really are while ignoring literally 3 or 4 dozen other major nations around the world that also have the same system of governance.  The right use it and claim that "without oil and gas and high taxes are bad" but never once figure out that there are 3 or 4 dozen other major nations around the world with the same system of governance that do the same without oil revenues

 

The easy assumption people use to define socialism is in fact Venezuela.  But Venezuela has not been free market OR any kind of socialist since Chavez assumed power back in 2005's famous boycott election, they have been a dictatorship.  A man pushed in to power by people angry at capitalist and corporate backed US interests dictating what the nations state owned oil company could and could not do with its production and sales.  Expanded in to a broad sweep for political power, in essence and factual truth.  A dictatorial grab for control.

 

Norway is not the guiding light, Venezuela is not the devils home.  Neither are truly socialist at all.

 

In a short telephone call, Laura Macdonald, a Carleton University professor and former director of the school's Institute of Political Economy, offered the following:

"Socialism is a broad ideology that has different variants, but in general is associated with greater faith in the role of the state versus the market, and a skepticism about the capacity of the market, on its own, to deliver both growth and social equity."

As a term, she said, socialism is contextual, which means to say it depends on how you use it.

"I don't think Donald Trump would call us socialist, but probably he thinks we're dangerously close to that and that may be one of the reasons he doesn't like Canada very much," Macdonald said.

Stella Gaon, a theorist at Saint Mary's University in Halifax who specializes in the economic and intellectual origins of political thought, says Trump's remarks hark back to the era of McCarthyism.

"This is just anti-commie rhetoric from the 1950s," Gaon said. "Nobody even knows what socialism is."

Socialism and liberalism are both rooted in the Enlightenment values of freedom, rationality and equality, she said.

The difference between socialism and liberalism is that socialists don't believe equality is real unless you include economic equality.

In its purest theoretical form, socialism required people to be equally rich, an ideal that Gaon said has never been attained in practice. In its original form, it also required the state to be in control of everything. No private businesses allowed.

 

Socialism has come a long way since the days when socialism and communism meant roughly the same thing, said Tom Flanagan, a political theorist and professor emeritus at the University of Calgary.

Socialism meant the state control of all industry and "the replacement of the markets by an administrative economy," said Flanagan, a conservative political activist who was an adviser to former Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper.

But since then, and especially after the creation of the Soviet top-down communist system in the 20th century, social democracy became the mainstream form of socialism outside communist countries, a kind of watered-down version we see in northern Europe and elsewhere that attempts to share the wealth and equalize opportunity without requiring economic equality.

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Some of the newly elected officials are learning quickly who you can and cannot criticize.

Euphoria of very diverse congress is starting to fade away.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/rashida-tlaib-wrote-column-louis-farrakhans-blog-2019-2

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ilhan-omars-tweets-were-appalling-what-happened-next-was-inspiring/2019/02/11/aa2235e8-2e47-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html?utm_term=.25570f90578c

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wrong thread..lol

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9 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

I've done more than post videos from Hollywood airheads.  Thing is, Seth is based in NEW YORK, not HOLLYWOOD. 

 

Please point out where I posted that Bernards is a moron.  I think the post, a response to one of your posts, went like this:

 

"Venezuela  Always the retort moron right wingers use against socialism."  

 

It wasn't about you specifically.  But I guess you took it as a direct personal insult of your intelligence.  You know, because you use Venezuela as a retort to socialism. 

 

And what exactly did I step into??  Inquiring minds would like to know. 

Being called a moron is nothing, but don't make obvious mistakes. I already told you what it was.

 

8 hours ago, Warhippy said:

I want badly to respond to all this.  But you're proving me right in questioning your intelligence.  You're not here for the back and forth.  You're here for attention.  I for one am done giving it to you.

 

You don't debate you ignore facts and then claim the end result is your evidence when the opinions you give are at best simply opinions.

 

Clam, it's good to see you again and I was wondering what it would take to draw you out.  Turns out it was the same old argument you cannot ignore.

 

The regulars who have been here long enough will be able to see what I mean if they read through your last few responses.

 

Go to a shelter, adept a pet.  Find a hobby.  Trump is an idiot, the people that support him are idiots and ignoring the simple facts I pointed out in steps 1 and 2 to try to find a circuitous way to show people you're correct in your beliefs is childishly transparent.

You don't want to respond because you can't. You know I'm right. How could you possibly think Trump is lazy after his election performance. Even his opponents admit his work rate is off the charts. Watching fake news and using social media in his spare time is the best possible use of it. You know it, and you hate it.

 

But I know you want what's best, it's just that, at this time, you don't realize it is Trump.  I bet come 2020 we'll be standing shoulder to shoulder, pushing Trump across the finish line.

 

Great speech tonight. Poor Beto got mowed over when he tried to steal the president's thunder by having his own rally. Trump now at 52% approval, the highest ever on Rasmussen.

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56 minutes ago, Bernards said:

Being called a moron is nothing, but don't make obvious mistakes. I already told you what it was.

 

You don't want to respond because you can't. You know I'm right. How could you possibly think Trump is lazy after his election performance. Even his opponents admit his work rate is off the charts. Watching fake news and using social media in his spare time is the best possible use of it. You know it, and you hate it.

 

But I know you want what's best, it's just that, at this time, you don't realize it is Trump.  I bet come 2020 we'll be standing shoulder to shoulder, pushing Trump across the finish line.

 

Great speech tonight. Poor Beto got mowed over when he tried to steal the president's thunder by having his own rally. Trump now at 52% approval, the highest ever on Rasmussen.

Rasmussen...

 

Here is a better reflection featuring all polls.  

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

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9 hours ago, Bernards said:

Being called a moron is nothing, but don't make obvious mistakes. I already told you what it was.

 

You don't want to respond because you can't. You know I'm right. How could you possibly think Trump is lazy after his election performance. Even his opponents admit his work rate is off the charts. Watching fake news and using social media in his spare time is the best possible use of it. You know it, and you hate it.

 

But I know you want what's best, it's just that, at this time, you don't realize it is Trump.  I bet come 2020 we'll be standing shoulder to shoulder, pushing Trump across the finish line.

 

Great speech tonight. Poor Beto got mowed over when he tried to steal the president's thunder by having his own rally. Trump now at 52% approval, the highest ever on Rasmussen.

Approval.  

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

 

Days spent golfing and cost

 

https://trumpgolfcount.com/#services

 

Trumps hours spent working vs "executive time" per day

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/29/trump-daily-schedule-executive-time-944996

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42610275

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-60-percent-executive-time_us_5c579f90e4b0871047549db3?ec_carp=1073341464557784993

 

 Ok Clam.  Your 2nd to last sentence gave you away like nothing else.

 

So we're clear, the mods aren't stupid.  I'd get an ip block nice and fast so you can continue flogging yourself with the rhetoric of the Trump

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/12/media/bbc-camera-man-attack-trump-rally-scli/index.html

 

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The BBC says that one of its photojournalists was attacked Monday while covering President Donald Trump's rally in El Paso, Texas.

"BBC cameraman Ron Skeans was violently pushed and shoved by a member of the crowd," the broadcaster said in a statement. "The man was removed by security and Ron is fine."

Video released by the BBC appears to show a man wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat coming into contact with a cameraman and swearing before being led away.

"I didn't know what was going on," Skeans told the BBC. He described the contact as a "very hard shove."

The BBC said in its statement that it "is clearly unacceptable for any of our staff to be attacked for doing their job." The public broadcaster also said that Trump "checked with us that all was ok."

"You all right? Everything okay?" Trump said during the incident, gesturing toward the press pen.

CNN is seeking comment from the White House.

Trump has made hostility toward the media a feature of many of his rallies, where a metal barricade often separates his supporters from reporters. Some journalists have raised concerns over their safety.

Eleanor Montague, the BBC's Washington News Editor, said in a tweet that the El Paso crowd had been "whipped up into a frenzy against the media by Trump and other speakers all night."

The BBC's Washington correspondent Gary O'Donoghue described Monday's incident as "an incredibly violent attack" in an interview with his employer.

"This is a constant feature of these rallies — a goading of the crowds against the media," O'Donoghue told the BBC. He added he had previously been "spat at" during a Trump rally.
Other journalists also reported being pushed around by the man at Monday's rally.
"Here's the moment a guy wearing a red MAGA hat jumped into the media pen and shoved several cameras, including ours," Jacob Rascon, a reporter for KPRC in Houston, said on Twitter.
CNN Chief White House Correspondent Jim Acosta last year posted a video on Twitter that showed a hostile crowd at a Trump rally in Tampa, Florida.
"I'm very worried that the hostility whipped up by Trump and some in conservative media will result in somebody getting hurt," Acosta wrote on Twitter.

 

It should come as no surprise that a Trump supporter would attack someone from the media, considering the language Trump employs when talking about them.
 
I wonder if it would ever get to the point where they stop covering these circle jerks. There's never anything newsworthy done, or said at a Trump rally.....just a string of lies, interspersed with dog-whistle chants, like "Build the Wall!" and "Lock her up!"
 
IMHO, the best way for the media to react to Donald Trump is to ignore him. Nothing they could do would hurt him more.
 
 

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9 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/12/media/bbc-camera-man-attack-trump-rally-scli/index.html

 

It should come as no surprise that a Trump supporter would attack someone from the media, considering the language Trump employs when talking about them.
 
I wonder if it would ever get to the point where they stop covering these circle jerks. There's never anything newsworthy done, or said at a Trump rally.....just a string of lies, interspersed with dog-whistle chants, like "Build the Wall!" and "Lock her up!"
 
IMHO, the best way for the media to react to Donald Trump is to ignore him. Nothing they could do would hurt him more.
 
 

Lol. If that were the case this thread would be 300 pages not 3000.

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5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Lol. If that were the case this thread would be 300 pages not 3000.

To be more specific, they should stop showing up to these silly rallies.

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17 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

 

 
IMHO, the best way for the media to react to Donald Trump is to ignore him. Nothing they could do would hurt him more.
 
 

but ratings

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1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:

To be more specific, they should stop showing up to these silly rallies.

Oh ok, ya I probably agree.

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Just now, Shift-4 said:

but ratings

Meh. What if one of these MAGA hat wearing clowns decides to do more than rough up a reporter?

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