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Donald J. Trump, 45th US President of the United States

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3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Same here. While I do have some American relatives who are good people, I wouldn't be surprised if the masses that are asses slurp that up.

These simpletons see the pastime as proof positive that they're the most powerful country on Earth, because of military might, even though the average American is a walking walrus waiting for their next heart attack.

 

The country has no moral compass, and as I mentioned in a post previous to this one, the United States, in how it operates globally, and how it's media gives the dutiful masses the message, is a total sociopathic society.

 

Thing is, this time around, going after a foreign country on false pretenses could lead to a conflict the likes the world has never seen, and would never see again, because the majority of people would be dead.

Merica... f*ck yeah!!!

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Warhippy said:

US claiming Iran attacked 2 ships yesterday in the strait of Hormuz.  Now producing video evidence which shows a dozen Iranians apparently removing something off the the side of a boat.

 

Except that they claim it is a mine.  And it is on the other side of the vessel than what was attacked.  And the owner of the vessel has called the US accusations false.  And all the witnesses say it was an airborne projectile not a mine.

 

Remember when Hillary was the war hawk?

It worked at the Gulf of Tonkin....

 

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The Gulf of Tonkin incident (Vietnamese: Sự kiện Vịnh Bắc Bộ), also known as the USS Maddox incident, was an international confrontation that led to the United States engaging more directly in the Vietnam War. It involved either one or two separate confrontations between North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. The original American report blamed North Vietnam for both incidents, but the Pentagon Papers, the memoirs of Robert McNamara, and NSA publications from 2005 proved material misrepresentation by the US government to justify a war against Vietnam. On August 2, 1964, the destroyerUSS Maddox, while performing a signals intelligence patrol as part of DESOTO operations, was pursued by three North Vietnamese Navy torpedo boats of the 135th Torpedo Squadron.[1][5] Maddox fired three warning shots and the North Vietnamese boats then attacked with torpedoes and machine gun fire.[5] Maddox expended over 280 3-inch (76.2 mm) and 5-inch (127 mm) shells in a sea battle. One U.S. aircraft was damaged, three North Vietnamese torpedo boats were damaged, and four North Vietnamese sailors were killed, with six more wounded. There were no U.S. casualties.[6] Maddox "was unscathed except for a single bullet hole from a Vietnamese machine gun round."[5]

 

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28 minutes ago, Canorth said:

Merica... f*ck yeah!!!

 

 

 

Brian Williams is an idiot. 

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44 minutes ago, Canorth said:

Merica... f*ck yeah!!!

 

 

 

My God!  That’s just friggin’ horrific.  

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1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Brian Williams is an idiot. 

It seems like (sadly) there are a great many idiots down south.  The sane ones are more than welcome to come up here.  

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3 hours ago, Gnarcore said:

It worked at the Gulf of Tonkin....

 

 

Plus the USS Maine for the American-Spanish war....

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1 hour ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

Dotard 2020 campaign vid:
 

 

Typical Trump fanboys. Rikishi was objectively the better choice.

 

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4 years ago today, was the start of something amazing!

Is it too early to start the discussion on if hes the greatest President of all time?

 

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3 hours ago, naslund.is.king said:

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4 years ago today, was the start of something amazing!

Is it too early to start the discussion on if hes the greatest President of all time?

 

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He clearly isn't unless you have no grasp on history.  Which I am guessing isn't a strong suit for many of his fans. 

 

I am trying to think of any of the elected presidents of the past 100 years you can rank him above. Wilson or Carter maybe? Cant even remotely be compared to FDR or Eisenhower.  

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3 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

He clearly isn't unless you have no grasp on history.  Which I am guessing isn't a strong suit for many of his fans. 

 

I am trying to think of any of the elected presidents of the past 100 years you can rank him above. Wilson or Carter maybe? Cant even remotely be compared to FDR or Eisenhower.  

As long as Trump is a President who doesn’t lead his country into an open war, then he’s ahead of those (to me) that have.  Go back over the last 75 years, and it’s an ugly history of US Presidents supporting the military establishment’s propaganda machine.  Trump is clearly many things that are not flattering, but is he worse than those previous Presidents who used their most valuable assets (the youth) as fodder?  

Recently there is this Iran crap in the “so called” news.  Let’s see how orange dough-boy does with this potential nightmare. 

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

As long as Trump is a President who doesn’t lead his country into an open war, then he’s ahead of those (to me) that have.  Go back over the last 75 years, and it’s an ugly history of US Presidents supporting the military establishment’s propaganda machine.  Trump is clearly many things that are not flattering, but is he worse than those previous Presidents who used their most valuable assets (the youth) as fodder?  

Recently there is this Iran crap in the “so called” news.  Let’s see how orange dough-boy does with this potential nightmare. 

That hasn't changed under him.  Eisenhower's farewell address actually warned the nation of this exact thing. Again he is not even remotely comparable to him. 

The Iran 'crap' of late is coming straight out of his admin team right now ;) 

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4 hours ago, naslund.is.king said:

 

Is it too early to start the discussion on if hes the greatest President of all time?

 

This is the criteria on which President's are ranked :

 

Public Persuasion        
Crisis Leadership        
Economic Management        
Moral Authority        
International Relations        
Administrative Skills        
Relations with Congress        
Vision / Setting an Agenda        
Pursued Equal Justice For All        

Performance Within Context of Times

 

All of those are scored out of 100 and then totaled to arrive at a final score.

 

In the 2017 survey Abraham Lincoln scored a total of 907 points to earn the ranking of Greatest President of all time.

 

Go through those criteria and assign a score for Trump. I think you'll find he's near the bottom of the barrel.

 

Here's my scorecard for Trump.

 

Public Persuasion = 20  He cares only about his base. He's made zero effort to govern from the center. Constantly describing anything he doesn't like as "fake news" is not very persuasive. His use of Twitter is toxic.

 

Crisis Leadership. = 10 The nation's election system (democracy) was attacked and he's done next to nothing to seek justice nor has he done jack sh** to prevent it from happening again because the attacks were to support his campaign. His leadership or lack of it IS the crisis.

 

Economic management = 65 He inherited an economy that was growing steadily albeit slowly. He then supercharged deficit spending in a time of economic calm (typically a really dumb thing to do). The promised 4, 5 even 6% GDP growth is a fantasy. This year's GDP is tracking closer to 2%. The tax cuts will not pay for themselves (surprise surprise). I reserve the right to lower this score next year when the totality of his idiotic tariff war becomes impossible to deny. Not even going to get into his interference with the Federal Reserve.

 

Moral Authority = 0  "very fine people on both sides" of the Charlottesville incident. Shouldn't even need to go beyond that one. But for fun, how about licking Putin's testicles in Helsinki? Sucking up to murderous despots like Kim Jung Un, Mohammad Bin Salman and Vlad Putin. Surrendering the moral authority that the USA has been built up over the last 70 years simply because he's an idiot with no understanding of history or America's place in it. Not to mention pardoning people who did not deserve it like Joe Arpiao and Dinesh Disouza. Not even going to get into his "raw dogging" porn stars then using campaign finance funds to buy their silence.

 

International Relations = 20 Publicly chastising longstanding allies while sucking up to longstanding enemies. The long term damage of this is yet to be seen.

 

Administrative skills = 20  The most turn over of any administration since forever. His administration has only 1 significant legislative achievement that being the very unpopular tax cuts. Where is the Wall he promised? The one that Mexico was going to pay for. Where is the repeal and replace of Obamacare? Where is all the infrastructure spending?

 

Relations with Congress = 15 Has made every effort to bypass congress whenever he can. Does not seem to believe in a system of checks and balances. Shut down the government for 35 days for no apparent reason other than he was butthurt. Has openly defied congressional subpoenas and encouraged others to not cooperate with congress.

 

Vision/Setting an agenda = 25 He made a lot of promises and has kept few of them. He doesn't seem to know how to get his goals accomplished. Mainly because he is a shi**y deal maker. For instance he turned down funding for his wall in exchange for DACA.

 

Pursued equal justice for all = 15 The man regularly makes bigoted statements. Chimes in with his uninformed opinion on legal matters, poisoning the judicial waters. See the aforementioned pardons.

 

Performance within the context of times. = 30 This is one that holds more weight with the passage of time. He is trying to take the country in a whole new direction. How that pans out is difficult to judge. I give him only a 30 because he's clearly an idiot with little understanding of government. So how could his performance not end up as a flaming bag of dog poop?

 

That gives him a total score of 220. Which would put him behind James Buchanan's 242 as the worst President ever.

 

Feel free to tell me where I am wrong.

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2 hours ago, Cerridwen said:

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Personally can't wait until he starts demanding we kneel to him.

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1 minute ago, Gnarcore said:

That hasn't changed under him.  The Iran 'crap' of late is coming straight out of his admin team right now ;) 

Yup, and it’s damned frightening.  Trump is clearly an orange idiot (among other not so flattering things) but wasn’t there just a glint of hope he would not be a war monger, like so many of his predecessors?  I was hoping Hillary would win, and was in total shock she didn’t.  I thought a woman as President might make a difference in the way the US glorified violence and war.  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Yup, and it’s damned frightening.  Trump is clearly an orange idiot (among other not so flattering things) but wasn’t there just a glint of hope he would not be a war monger, like so many of his predecessors?  I was hoping Hillary would win, and was in total shock she didn’t.  I thought a woman as President might make a difference in the way the US glorified violence and war.  

I thought Hilary would 100% end up at war with Iran but maybe, just maybe Trump wouldn't.  If anything he managed to suck up to Israel and SA even worse than I thought she would. 

 

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2 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

This is the criteria on which President's are ranked :

 

Public Persuasion        
Crisis Leadership        
Economic Management        
Moral Authority        
International Relations        
Administrative Skills        
Relations with Congress        
Vision / Setting an Agenda        
Pursued Equal Justice For All        

Performance Within Context of Times

 

All of those are scored out of 100 and then totaled to arrive at a final score.

 

In the 2017 survey Abraham Lincoln scored a total of 907 points to earn the ranking of Greatest President of all time.

 

Go through those criteria and assign a score for Trump. I think you'll find he's near the bottom of the barrel.

 

Here's my scorecard for Trump.

 

Public Persuasion = 20  He cares only about his base. He's made zero effort to govern from the center. Constantly describing anything he doesn't like as "fake news" is not very persuasive. His use of Twitter is toxic.

 

Crisis Leadership. = 10 The nation's election system (democracy) was attacked and he's done next to nothing to seek justice nor has he done jack sh** to prevent it from happening again because the attacks were to support his campaign. His leadership or lack of it IS the crisis.

 

Economic management = 65 He inherited an economy that was growing steadily albeit slowly. He then supercharged deficit spending in a time of economic calm (typically a really dumb thing to do). The promised 4, 5 even 6% GDP growth is a fantasy. This year's GDP is tracking closer to 2%. The tax cuts will not pay for themselves (surprise surprise). I reserve the right to lower this score next year when the totality of his idiotic tariff war becomes impossible to deny. Not even going to get into his interference with the Federal Reserve.

 

Moral Authority = 0  "very fine people on both sides" of the Charlottesville incident. Shouldn't even need to go beyond that one. But for fun, how about licking Putin's testicles in Helsinki? Sucking up to murderous despots like Kim Jung Un, Mohammad Bin Salman and Vlad Putin. Surrendering the moral authority that the USA has been built up over the last 70 years simply because he's an idiot with no understanding of history or America's place in it. Not to mention pardoning people who did not deserve it like Joe Arpiao and Dinesh Disouza. Not even going to get into his "raw dogging" porn stars then using campaign finance funds to buy their silence.

 

International Relations = 20 Publicly chastising longstanding allies while sucking up to longstanding enemies. The long term damage of this is yet to be seen.

 

Administrative skills = 20  The most turn over of any administration since forever. His administration has only 1 significant legislative achievement that being the very unpopular tax cuts. Where is the Wall he promised? The one that Mexico was going to pay for. Where is the repeal and replace of Obamacare? Where is all the infrastructure spending?

 

Relations with Congress = 15 Has made every effort to bypass congress whenever he can. Does not seem to believe in a system of checks and balances. Shut down the government for 35 days for no apparent reason other than he was butthurt. Has openly defied congressional subpoenas and encouraged others to not cooperate with congress.

 

Vision/Setting an agenda = 25 He made a lot of promises and has kept few of them. He doesn't seem to know how to get his goals accomplished. Mainly because he is a shi**y deal maker. For instance he turned down funding for his wall in exchange for DACA.

 

Pursued equal justice for all = 15 The man regularly makes bigoted statements. Chimes in with his uninformed opinion on legal matters, poisoning the judicial waters. See the aforementioned pardons.

 

Performance within the context of times. = 30 This is one that holds more weight with the passage of time. He is trying to take the country in a whole new direction. How that pans out is difficult to judge. I give him only a 30 because he's clearly an idiot with little understanding of government. So how could his performance not end up as a flaming bag of dog poop?

 

That gives him a total score of 220. Which would put him behind James Buchanan's 242 as the worst President ever.

 

Feel free to tell me where I am wrong.

Where is giving in to being the military establishment’s propaganda puppet, and leading your country into the tragedy that is war on that list?  The US glorification of war and violence is sickening.  

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