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Donald J. Trump, 45th US President of the United States

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5 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

You probably could have just gone ahead and used Obamas/Oranges.

 

Both sides want border security from what I see.

Trump has drawn his line in the sand, The Wall,  and is willing to let this crisis continue.

 

God those are some tough pictures to look at. The little girl with her arm around her dad. 

 

You're right, this shouldn't politicized. So, I don't know why Obama gets brought up? He's gone,  he was just as bad?...was he? does it matter?...the other guy is in charge now. He could do better. 

 

 

Exactly.  Do what's right, and not what the war machine and political war mongers are dictating.  

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9 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I kind of understand that "straw man" concept now.  Using Obama's record on a policy to deflect from what Trump is doing is of that ilk.  However, my point is, and I think has always been, these US presidents are the same.  They are all war mongers, who seem to do what's best for the war machine, rather than what's right.  

Yes, that's a straw man, because it deflects from the focus on Trump.  I was hopeful Hillary would win, because (being a woman) i thought there might be a change.  Then, when Trump was stating he was "draining the swamp", I was again hopeful to see change.  I don't think the US will ever change.  No matter who is there President, that country will glorify war, violence, and anything that supports the war machine.  The next President, whomever, will make similar statements to Trump and Obama about illegals coming into their country.  There will be the same problems, where children, the elderly, and the most vulnerable will be the ones who suffer.  The US will not change, it seems, no matter who their President is.  

Will Bernie Sanders be any different?  

Arn't you pre-setting his get out of jail free card for when he trumps up this fabricated conflict with Iran? 

 

And I think you're wrong, the states have changed plenty since they were formed. Maybe now, finally that War for profit Machine you speak of will get addressed? Like Slavery was, like the right to vote for women was. I think the key is not to stop criticising and planning for a better future.

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Arn't you pre-setting his get out of jail free card for when he trumps up this fabricated conflict with Iran? 

 

And I think you're wrong, the states have changed plenty since they were formed. Maybe now, finally that War for profit Machine you speak of will get addressed? Like Slavery was, like the right to vote for women was. I think the key is not to stop criticising and planning for a better future.

 

 

 

 

I hope your prediction of change down south comes true.  I just don't see enough voters very interested in making change.  Too many voters seem like they are more interested in following the adventures of "entertainers" on Twitter, than they are in understanding politics.  They need to make a change in that attitude first, before there will be a change in their county's politics.  

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Too bad there is no consequences for violating the Hatch Act for administration officials.  If she had been employed by say the DOJ, there would have been a recommendation of termination.  As it stands, only TRUMP!! could demand her resignation.  Sad.

 

FYI for the but but Obama crowd, there were a total of TWO violations by TWO different violations.  The crypt keeper had 2 in 2018 and 11 in a more recent report for a total of 13.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/kellyanne-conway-subpoena-hatch-act-1446085

KELLYANNE CONWAY HAD MORE HATCH ACT VIOLATION REPORTS FILED AGAINST HER THAN ANYONE ELSE IN 30 YEARS

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3 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

You probably could have just gone ahead and used Obamas/Oranges.

 

Both sides want border security from what I see.

Trump has drawn his line in the sand, The Wall,  and is willing to let this crisis continue.

 

God those are some tough pictures to look at. The little girl with her arm around her dad. 

 

You're right, this shouldn't politicized. So, I don't know why Obama gets brought up? He's gone,  he was just as bad?...was he? does it matter?...the other guy is in charge now. He could do better. 

 

 

Obama gets brought up as it was the same issue and the same crap result - now there are simply far more of these people trying to enter a country that seemingly doesn't want them to enter without due process and somehow it is a political issue.   The point of Obama or Trump or anyone else is this isn't about a President, it is about an issue that the USA has not been able to sort out property and making it a debate issue or holding funding hostage to political motivation is simply not solving anything.

 

The guy in charge now is a train wreck but those who seem almost driven to insanity to get him out are offering nothing better than "sanctuary" "dreams" and "open borders with social safety nets" etc. etc....and as if THAT will stem the tide.   It must be horrific to be one of the pawns in this charade - and to feel you have to leave your place of birth to a country that seemingly doesn't even want to.   It must be horrific to be trying to enter through legal means and see yourself/family put through a system without any capacity while people illegally get embraced by some (and openly campaigned for as a potential President!).

 

Tough pictures but not due just to Trump (or Obama or Bush or......).    Solution will come from stopping the crap politics.   ADMIT you don't want everyone and then have a policy to allow the immigration you can handle and enforce it.   Get the countries that touch your borders to enforce it.   That is seemingly the only way to stop this insanity.    

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56 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

KELLYANNE CONWAY HAD MORE HATCH ACT VIOLATION REPORTS FILED AGAINST HER THAN ANYONE ELSE IN 30 YEARS

Who said she wasn't a winner?   She is apparently making history!

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3 hours ago, coastal.view said:

i'm not convinced that will be fulsome testimony

we were led to believe hope hicks was willing to testify

and then objections were raised from the white house

which limited her testimony

 

we'll only know on july 17 what mueller is prepared to testify to or about

and what he will feel he is not able to for some reason we may still need to learn about

 

Mueller is not a Trump crony and has seems to have integrity..unlike Hicks. 

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9 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Maybe she’s Roberto Alomar’s cousin, and thought Eric Trump made a bad call?  

Really, spitting on someone is overly gross.  Call him an ass or something, but don’t spit on him.  

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To the surprise of no-one, the Supreme Court decided that Gerrymandering can continue and it was a decision that was made along partisan lines, with the Conservative majority overruling the Liberal minority.

 

Ruth Bader Ginsburg believes that this trend is destined to become more common:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/07/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-gerrymandering-census/index.html

 

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Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg warned on Friday that the court is likely to be sharply divided in the coming weeks over some of the "most watched" cases that remain -- perhaps even giving a clue to how justices will rule on the fight over the 2020 census.

Her comments to the Second Circuit Judicial Conference in New York underscore the deep schisms on the newly solidified conservative court now that Justice Anthony Kennedy has been replaced by the younger and more conservative Justice Brett Kavanaugh. She made clear that she thinks Kennedy's retirement will impact not only the cases this term but also those for "many terms ahead."
Ginsburg did not reveal the vote count of some of the remaining opinions, but hinted there might be close divisions in cases such as a dispute concerning a citizenship question on the 2020 census, as well as the issue of extreme partisan gerrymandering.
In particular, Ginsburg compared the census case to last year's fight over the travel ban, where the court's 5-4 conservative majority sided with the executive branch.
She called the census dispute a "case of huge importance," noting that some have compared it to the travel ban case.
"Speculators about the outcome note that last year, in Trump v. Hawaii, the court upheld the so-called 'travel ban,' in an opinion granting great deference to the executive," Ginsburg said.
She said the challengers in the case believe that ruling in the government's favor "would stretch deference beyond the breaking point."
In another case, concerning the issue of extreme partisan gerrymandering, court watchers are waiting to see if the conservative majority is prepared to rule that such cases are better handled by the political branches than the courts.
Nodding to the dispute, Ginsburg said, "However one comes out on the legal issues, partisan gerrymandering unsettles the fundamental premise that people elect their representatives, not vice versa."
The speech was closed to the press, but the court released a copy of Ginsburg's remarks.

 

I'm guessing that this means Trump's newest attempt at voter suppression. the so-called "Census question" will also be approved. This is how the "law" works in the so-called "Greatest country on earth".:rolleyes:

 

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12 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

To the surprise of no-one, the Supreme Court decided that Gerrymandering can continue and it was a decision that was made along partisan lines, with the Conservative majority overruling the Liberal minority.

 

Ruth Bader Ginsburg believes that this trend is destined to become more common:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/07/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-gerrymandering-census/index.html

 

I'm guessing that this means Trump's newest attempt at voter suppression. the so-called "Census question" will also be approved. This is how the "law" works in the so-called "Greatest country on earth".:rolleyes:

 

Republicans by far are the most guilty of "I have the ball and unless you do EVERYTHING I say, I'm going home" politics.  Even when Democrats have the majority they can powerless (https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/oregon-republicans-skip-town-to-avoid-voting-on-democratic-climate-bill-1.5190936).  Anything to stick to those socialist Democrats!

 

Edit:  The US has to find a way out of this or else they are going to be held hostage by the far right agenda for the foreseeable future.

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20 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

To the surprise of no-one, the Supreme Court decided that Gerrymandering can continue and it was a decision that was made along partisan lines, with the Conservative majority overruling the Liberal minority.

 

Ruth Bader Ginsburg believes that this trend is destined to become more common:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/07/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-gerrymandering-census/index.html

 

I'm guessing that this means Trump's newest attempt at voter suppression. the so-called "Census question" will also be approved. This is how the "law" works in the so-called "Greatest country on earth".:rolleyes:

 

It'd odd that the party of small government is also the one stripping people of their power. Thought Republicans are supposed to be vehemently against that? Guess it only applies to guns and lgbt. 

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15 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

It'd odd that the party of small government is also the one stripping people of their power. Thought Republicans are supposed to be vehemently against that? Guess it only applies to guns and lgbt. 

This is a government bent on control. They will do anything to get it too. They know that they can mould their base to do their bidding, and play off their jingoistic fears to do so.

 

This political party is a sociopathic organization that craves power over all else.

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1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

To the surprise of no-one, the Supreme Court decided that Gerrymandering can continue and it was a decision that was made along partisan lines, with the Conservative majority overruling the Liberal minority.

 

Ruth Bader Ginsburg believes that this trend is destined to become more common:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/07/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-gerrymandering-census/index.html

 

I'm guessing that this means Trump's newest attempt at voter suppression. the so-called "Census question" will also be approved. This is how the "law" works in the so-called "Greatest country on earth".:rolleyes:

 

Go figure but the Supreme Court actually struck down the citizenship question: 

 

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1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

To the surprise of no-one, the Supreme Court decided that Gerrymandering can continue and it was a decision that was made along partisan lines, with the Conservative majority overruling the Liberal minority.

 

Ruth Bader Ginsburg believes that this trend is destined to become more common:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/07/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-gerrymandering-census/index.html

 

I'm guessing that this means Trump's newest attempt at voter suppression. the so-called "Census question" will also be approved. This is how the "law" works in the so-called "Greatest country on earth".:rolleyes:

 

Democracy?

I can understand the Supreme Court's ruling on gerrymandering from a legal perspective.  However, it's not right from a fairness perspective.  Again, the US does not do what's right.  

Again, there will be no real change in the US attitude, no matter who is elected.  There society is beyond repair.  

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34 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Go figure but the Supreme Court actually struck down the citizenship question: 

 

Somehow Ross is losing money on this... No way he goes to such great lengths to get the question on the census without something in it for him.

 

And when did John Roberts become a socialist communist fascist?

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Well, now you either believe the victim and the two women she told, or TRUMP!!.  MMmmmmmm

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/jean-carroll-trump-sexual-assault.html

Two Women Who Heard E. Jean Carroll’s Account of Being Attacked by Trump Go Public

The women, Carol Martin and Lisa Birnbach, said Ms. Carroll confided in them in the 1990s. The president has denied sexually assaulting her.

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How can they allow gerrymandering but not the citizenship question on the census... The citizenship question would help a ton with the gerrymandering! Stupid SCOTUS... start being patriotic!!

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4 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Well, now you either believe the victim and the two women she told, or TRUMP!!.  MMmmmmmm

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/jean-carroll-trump-sexual-assault.html

Two Women Who Heard E. Jean Carroll’s Account of Being Attacked by Trump Go Public

The women, Carol Martin and Lisa Birnbach, said Ms. Carroll confided in them in the 1990s. The president has denied sexually assaulting her.

...Trump then dusts off his calendar for that year, points to the date in question which reads “Rolling around in Cheetos with Poof and Squeak!!!”

 

Case closed... nothing to see here... Republican Justice 

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