Provost Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I am getting wickedly sick of hearing this from draftists/tanknation. "Look at all the Cup winners... they all had top 5 lottery picks! You can't win without those players" "Look at Chicago! Look at LA! Look at Pittsburgh!" .... blah blah blah. Half the callers on the radio spew the same thing. Here is a fact for you. Virtually every team in the NHL has a top 5 pick on their roster. Most of those teams don't win a Cup in any given year. Currently as far as I can see, only four teams in the entire league DON'T have a top 5 pick on their roster Boston, Detroit, Anaheim, and Arizona (Actually 3, Arizona has Pronger and he doesn't count). Three of those four teams are in the playoff picture... meaning all but ONE team who is currently out of the playoff picture has a top 5 pick playing for them.... many of those teams out of the playoff picture have SEVERAL top 5 picks. Where is their magic Stanley Cup. There is a saying "correlation not causation" By using that "a team needs a lottery pick to win" mantra you are just spouting meaningless nonsense. You might as well be saying you need a blonde player on your team to win... or all Stanley Cup winners have at least one player over 6 feet tall. You can't point to the winning team and say "hey they have a lottery pick so that made them win"... without looking at the other 29 teams who lost and pointing out that pretty much all of them also have those picks. I am not saying we shouldn't sell off assets when our season is done (like it is now)... but the suggestion that intentionally losing, or even accidentally losing and getting a top 5 pick is going to magically make us Stanley Cup contenders is ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotted Zebra Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I'm glad I read before I was about to post, I wonder how many people won't But ya drafting is only 1/3 the battle, you still need to develop them and surround the players with the proper supporting cast. Edmonton eventually will be good. If Detroit keeps getting the players they do, they'll always be better. Even with a top 5 pick, I'm not confident this organization knows how to optimize them, along with their added pressure of being in this market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Just now, Spotted Zebra said: I'm glad I read before I was about to post, I wonder how many people won't I assume there will be people not realizing the bait and switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Good luck attempting to convince the convinced otherwise. Apparently losing is the new winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 This is right up there with the question, "How are we going to get elite talent if we don't draft top 5?" There is far more elite talent that was not a top 5 pick in the league than was. Also... Demko. What is he good for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 how about a lindros situation . we get matthews 1 oa he refuses to report we get 6 really good prospects 3 of which are currently in the nhl and 3 are nhl ready......it could happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, Green Building said: Good luck attempting to convince the convinced otherwise. Apparently losing is the new winning. Agreed, been trying all week doesnt seem to do any good, some just don't get it.. Good post Prov.. You had me at first on the bait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, theminister said: This is right up there with the question, "How are we going to get elite talent if we don't draft top 5?" There is far more elite talent that was not a top 5 pick in the league than was. Also... Demko. What is he good for? And.... if top 5 picks guarantee you the Cup. We have had two of them since 1999... not just any two, but 2 of the top 6 point producers over the past decade. Where is our Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Provost said: And.... if top 5 picks guarantee you the Cup. We have had two of them since 1999... not just any two, but 2 of the top 6 point producers over the past decade. Where is our Cup? I thought the refs took it? /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Henrik and Daniel are them. They are generational talents. Except Willie, tTrevor and Jim are wasting their years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Can you tell me the last team to win the Stanley Cup that did not have a top 5 draft choice ? What team was this ....... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Provost said: And.... if top 5 picks guarantee you the Cup. We have had two of them since 1999... not just any two, but 2 of the top 6 point producers over the past decade. Where is our Cup? More like... Edmonton will be fine because they have Benoit Pouliot. As have all 5 of his teams in the last 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: Can you tell me the last team to win the Stanley Cup that did not have a top 5 draft choice ? What team was this ....... ? Have you missed what correlation vs causation means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Can you tell me the last team to win the Stanley Cup that did not have a top 5 draft choice ? What team was this ....... ? Proof you are not reading people's posts.. This is covered in the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Nothing guarantees you a Cup. It's about increasing your chances of winning a Cup and top end skill is mostly drafted at top of the draft. Especially now with so much money spent on scouting and evaluating junior players it's becoming harder for players to slip thru. Still happens but less. You need lots of top end players not just 1. Demen, forwards, Centres, a real good goalie. You need multiple stars. I'll take a top 5 pick over a 14th pick any day, I don't think any sane individual would disagree. I'll take a top 5 pick over a 1st round whooping from the Flames any day as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Goblin Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 What the? I think the OP changed the content of his post. It wasn't like this when I first read it. I should have quoted it I think you changed your post content to contradict your topic title thus saving yourself from criticism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Oh and just so we're clear, I'm not trolling you Provost, just partially playing the role of Devil's (Fools) advocate. 1 minute ago, TheOgRook said: Proof you are not reading people's posts.. This is covered in the OP Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedinMadness Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 The twins where in the top 5 and we still didn't win a cup. ugg bad memory sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, TheOgRook said: Proof you are not reading people's posts.. This is covered in the OP Proof you do not know how to read. LOL What was the last NHL team to win a cup without a top 5 player on their team that season.... ? Soon the canucks will not have a top 5 pick on our team...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Green Building said: Oh and just so we're clear, I'm not trolling you Provost, just partially playing the role of Devil's (Fools) advocate. Lol Somebody had to say it ;p. I think this gets back to your first post lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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