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UK Votes to Leave EU in Referendum, No Brexit Deal Yet

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Big news from Overseas as David Cameron announces June 23 as the date for the EU referendum on whether to stay or leave the EU (European Union).

 

from the BBC:

 

The UK will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.

The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.

He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".

Ministers immediately divided up into the leave and remain camps as the campaigns got under way in earnest.

 

The referendum date announcement comes after renegotiations on the UK's relationship with Europe were finalised on Friday night after intense wrangling at a two-day summit in Brussels.

 

The agreement, which will take effect immediately if the UK votes to remain in the EU, include changes to migrant welfare payments, safeguards for Britain's financial services and making it easier to block unwanted EU regulations.

Some Conservative MPs have announced their intention to back the prime minister. The Labour Party, SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Lib Dems are also in favour of staying in.

'Johnson conflicted'

But many Conservatives have announced they will back the leave campaign including Mr Cameron's long-time ally, Justice Secretary Michael Gove.

London Mayor Boris Johnson, who has previously been a Eurosceptic, has yet to declare where he stands.

On Sunday, he is expected to confirm he will campaign for out, but has told friends he is genuinely conflicted, BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg says.

Number 10 is resigned to him opposing them following a meeting this week, at which he was disappointed with Mr Cameron's plans, our editor adds.

Mr Johnson has also discussed his decision with Mr Gove.

 

According to the latest opinion polls, the British public are thought to be fairly evenly split.

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17 minutes ago, thejazz97 said:

IIRC, leaving the EU makes it easier for the UK to split up.

That is not going to happen.

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Just now, thejazz97 said:

Who says?

Breaking up of UK might set off chain of events test will lead to Donbass, Flanders, Catalonia, republic Srpska, Basque Country, north Kosovo etc. follow the same path.

This would destabilize entire Europe and lead to wars, so like I said, it's not going to happen.

 

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2 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Breaking up of UK might set off chain of events test will lead to Donbass, Flanders, Catalonia, republic Srpska, Basque Country, north Kosovo etc. follow the same path.

This would destabilize entire Europe and lead to wars, so like I said, it's not going to happen.

 

Catalonia is already happening. You kind of mentioned it, but Kosovo happened a couple years back as well.

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5 minutes ago, thejazz97 said:

Catalonia is already happening. You kind of mentioned it, but Kosovo happened a couple years back as well.

Back in the 80's when I lived in Europe there was talk about Catalonia's separatism but nothing happened.

North Kosovo is an enclave where Serbs live and they are trying to leave Kosovo and join Serbia, little different from when Albanians seceded from Serbia in 1999.

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1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Nice timing. EU's looking like the Titanic, about now...

The uk economy is the titanic as well.

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So independent Wales, Scotland, and the re-unification of Ireland?

Edited by Ghostsof1915

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45 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Back in the 80's when I lived in Europe there was talk about Catalonia's separatism but nothing happened.

North Kosovo is an enclave where Serbs live and they are trying to leave Kosovo and join Serbia, little different from when Albanians seceded from Serbia in 1999.

Well, Catalonia's elected a pro-independence government in 2015 and aims to secede in the next couple years.

 

I hadn't heard that about N.Kosovo, but it's worth keeping an eye on, then.

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2 hours ago, thejazz97 said:

Who says?

I spent 7 years in the UK.  There is still a little bit of us and the Euro, but remember the UK is now a very ethnically diverse country and no longer 'all English in the old school way' and its people do a lot of business and travel there.  

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1 hour ago, milk and honey said:

@Lewitelli I knew this would be happening sooner or later. Most people probably did as well.

Well Cameron did make this a major part of his election campaign last year.

 

No one who plays attention should be surprised by this referendum.

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2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

So time to pull out of the North American Free Trade Agreement, and start diversifying our economy? 

Not the same.

The European Union is more comprehensive than NFTA.   It covers issues like human rights, immigration, welfare payments, etc.  The EU Parliament can dictate policy to members.  You lose sovereignty under the EU.

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1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

The uk economy is the titanic as well.

Nope. It's the Hindenburg trying to land on the Titanic's deck, once the shuffled chairs are folded up.

 

Whole game-plan is too big to fail.

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6 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

The uk economy is the titanic as well.

? The numbers tell a different story and they dont lie. They have been the fastest growing economy of the G7 members since 2013 and are expected to continue to be so for the foreseeable future. Low unemployment, debt under control, expanding economy. We should all wish we were `sinking` like them.

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