Monty Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Our GM is an idiot. First he trades Shinkaruk for garbage, then he lets both Hamhuis and Vrbata walk. The guy's almost as bad as Gillis. Verdict is still out on Shink/Granlund deal. As for Hammer. Well, unless they look at extending him now, then that's a huge loss. As for Vrbata. Well, I wouldn't want him if I were a contender. If they were offered a 7th and retain salary, then they should have taken it. But playoffs here we come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomato Pajamas Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 16 minutes ago, Kuma said: Can't wait to hear what Benning has to say. Fair enough if Hamhuis did not want to waive, but not a single deal to get Vrbata or any of the old guys out. Give me a break Guess they don't want to get any more draft picks in return. Business 101, try to get something that you will loose for nothing. Guess the brain trust of this organization have not figure it that out yet. Wait maybe management still thinks we can make the playoffs and be a cup contender this year lol. Benning might be the best scout in the world, but definitely have no idea how to run the team. Lets continue to stay in the middle of the pack(not sucking and not good enough). Great Day to be a Canucks Fan Go Canucks Go! What do you realistically think you could get for Vrbata? Mind you he has a 5 M cap hit, so it's really steep for a team to take that for just a pick; most teams don't have that cap space. I'm thinking that there was some talk for Vrbata, but the trades all included trading Vrbata for a bad contract and a pick. At the very least Vrbata is off the pay roll this off season and I definitely wouldn't want to be on the hook for a contract like Bickell for an extended period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomato Pajamas Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Monty said: Verdict is still out on Shink/Granlund deal. As for Hammer. Well, unless they look at extending him now, then that's a huge loss. As for Vrbata. Well, I wouldn't want him if I were a contender. If they were offered a 7th and retain salary, then they should have taken it. But playoffs here we come! Hammer has just said on the team 1040 that he would love to extend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 5 minutes ago, Kakanucks said: What "canuck fans" need is a life outside of CDC. Like maybe actually work/go to school/meet some friends/ leave your basement. Truth. Hockey is my favorite thing in the world by a large margin, but it is in fact still a game, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I was going to write something about how I believe the portion of this fan base, who are so outraged by the non-events of today are nothing more than a bunch of crybabies, but then I figured it wouldn't do any good, so I won't. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckpuckluck1 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 8 minutes ago, Kraken70 said: So far, I've been a supporter of JB but I must admit, he's got me scratching my head a bit. I hope he can offer logical explanations for his lack of activity today and not lame attempts to evade questions. Virtually every panel on every channel are trying to figure out why Benning held back on Hammer and Vrbata, especially, after admitting he doesn't expect to make the playoffs this year. I agree with you on this one Kraken. I'm don't propose to know what has happened on the phones But the inactivity has me perplexed. I just hope Benning has some logical explanations for what did or didn't happen today. if he says there was no trading partners then I put that on him. Benning may be a very good scouting GM, but that should be the role of the head scout, the GM also needs to be able to evaluate players and make trades. Benning is starting to struggle to find decent trading partners, and before anyone says you need to two parties to make a trade, how did the leafs find trading partners for the Clarckson, Kessel and Phaneuf trades???? Benning had at least 9 players available to make a trade with and got none moved, and this was after him stating he liked the players available in this years draft. You would think he would have moved heaven and earth to get more picks, especially on players that will walk at the end of the season. Im looking forward to the press meeting to understand how everything has unfolded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 7 minutes ago, Tomato Pajamas said: What do you realistically think you could get for Vrbata? Mind you he has a 5 M cap hit, so it's really steep for a team to take that for just a pick; most teams don't have that cap space. I'm thinking that there was some talk for Vrbata, but the trades all included trading Vrbata for a bad contract and a pick. At the very least Vrbata is off the pay roll this off season and I definitely wouldn't want to be on the hook for a contract like Bickell for an extended period of time. Any kind of pick, 3rd rounder would have been better then nothing. Money will still come off the board and end up with a extra pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 7 minutes ago, Tomato Pajamas said: Hammer has just said on the team 1040 that he would love to extend. Then there's silver lining to it. He won't cost a lot to extend, probably in the $3.5M region. He's a great veteran to have in the room, who will help the younger guys coming in adjust. At the end of the day, you still have to try. And having solid defense, something the Canucks need badly, is incredibly important when you are rebuilding. Just ask the Oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomato Pajamas Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, Kuma said: Any kind of pick, 3rd rounder would have been better then nothing. Money will still come off the board and end up with a extra pick. Pirri got a 6th rounder, good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Just now, Tomato Pajamas said: Pirri got a 6th rounder, good luck with that. and stempniak got a 2nd rounder and 4th rounder. Good luck with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Before people start screaming for Bennings head, they need to understand a couple things: Vrbata: A deal clearly required Benning to eat part of Vrbata's salary... other team's were not prepared to deal based on his full salary... and Vancouver ownership wasn't ready to do that, especially since the deal probably didn't involve picks. Hamhuis: Dan Hamhuis negotiated a deal which paid him less than market value but gave him a no-trade clause. Dan didn't have to waive that clause at all... but he agreed to go to two teams... Chicago and Dallas. Chicago wanted Hamhuis, but because of their CAP space had to offload Bickell and his deadweight contract on Vancouver... who wants that? Dallas we don't know for sure, in fact, there was a lot of speculation there was no concrete offer at all. In any case, it wasn't likely a case of a straight across trade of Hamhuis for a pick, it involved something else... and that wasn't acceptable. Then Dallas came back at the end with a lowball. Now people can say, "...better something than nothing."... but what if Hamhuis doesn't come back to Vancouver? We do need defensemen desperately... it is foolish to jeapordize the relationship and the guarantee of re-signing Hamhuis for a cr*p pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 9 minutes ago, Monty said: Then there's silver lining to it. He won't cost a lot to extend, probably in the $3.5M region. He's a great veteran to have in the room, who will help the younger guys coming in adjust. At the end of the day, you still have to try. And having solid defense, something the Canucks need badly, is incredibly important when you are rebuilding. Just ask the Oilers. ^^^^^^^^^ This in spades... I expect an extension to be signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Just now, *Buzzsaw* said: Before people start screaming for Bennings head, they need to understand a couple things: Vrbata: A deal clearly required Benning to eat part of Vrbata's salary... other team's were not prepared to deal based on his full salary... and Vancouver ownership wasn't ready to do that, especially since the deal probably didn't involve picks. Hamhuis: Dan Hamhuis negotiated a deal which paid him less than market value but gave him a no-trade clause. Dan didn't have to waive that clause at all... but he agreed to go to two teams... Chicago and Dallas. Chicago wanted Hamhuis, but because of their CAP space had to offload Bickell and his deadweight contract on Vancouver... who wants that? Dallas we don't know for sure, in fact, there was a lot of speculation there was no concrete offer at all. In any case, it wasn't likely a case of a straight across trade of Hamhuis for a pick, it involved something else... and that wasn't acceptable. Then Dallas came back at the end with a lowball. Now people can say, "...better something than nothing."... but what if Hamhuis doesn't come back to Vancouver? We do need defensemen desperately... it is foolish to jeapordize the relationship and the guarantee of re-signing Hamhuis for a cr*p pick. why do you think ownership will not eat salary when they are willing to pay Higgins and Prust down in the AHL. You do know that they are still going to pay for his salary now that he remains on the team right>? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Kuma said: why do you think ownership will not eat salary when they are willing to pay Higgins and Prust down in the AHL. You do know that they are still going to pay for his salary now that he remains on the team right>? And who says there was EVER an offer for Vrbata>>>> What team would want him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomato Pajamas Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, Kuma said: and stempniak got a 2nd rounder and 4th rounder. Good luck with that 41 points for Stempniak and 24 for Vrbata. So, yeah, you're right, that's a fair comparison and that gives us an idea on the right price tag for Vrbata. Spot on, bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGM Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 18 minutes ago, Gollumpus said: I was going to write something about how I believe the portion of this fan base, who are so outraged by the non-events of today are nothing more than a bunch of crybabies, but then I figured it wouldn't do any good, so I won't. regards, G. were a bunch of cry babies because our hockey team weve been watching for 20+ years is sucking worse then the dump i took this morning as a whole. I think Im allowed to cry about how this team has evolved since 94 when I got truly into hockey as a 12 year old. How exciting it was , to then have the logo changed to a stupid whale and watch our superstar team dismantled and destroyed by incompetant people who could be replace by any real fan. GARBAGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 38 minutes ago, Kuma said: Can't wait to hear what Benning has to say. Fair enough if Hamhuis did not want to waive, but not a single deal to get Vrbata or any of the old guys out. Give me a break Guess they don't want to get any more draft picks in return. Business 101, try to get something that you will loose for nothing. Guess the brain trust of this organization have not figure it that out yet. Wait maybe management still thinks we can make the playoffs and be a cup contender this year lol. Benning might be the best scout in the world, but definitely have no idea how to run the team. Lets continue to stay in the middle of the pack(not sucking and not good enough). Great Day to be a Canucks Fan Go Canucks Go! Pretty much captures my thoughts. Hammer has stated he was willing to go to Dallas or Chicago. I wonder if he would have gone elsewhere if Benning had agreed to re-sign him in the summer. Benning will have a story but there is no way to package this as anything other than a failure. Benning is a good scout but when its comes to the other aspects of being a GM he is learning on the job and making a lot of mistakes. Looking at it another way, 8 of the Canuck roster players at various times in the season (the Garage sale 7 plus Vrbata) generated no interest at the deadline. And the Hammer situation also come to nothing. That means that the team Benning assembled for this year (and yes, I know that some of those guys were originally signed by Gillis) was not well constructed. And the guys not on the list include players who are being overpaid for what they contribute -- Sbisa, Dorsett, and Miller. Asset management is also an issue. The Canucks burned off ELC years for McCann and Virtanen this year AND reduced the time to when they become UFAs. So you get a year when McCann and Virtanen are marginal contributors to the team and you lose an RFA year when they are in their prime. And then there is unnecessarily losing Corrado to waivers. Being a GM is hard and everyone who gets there has some skills. But it looks very much as though Benning is one of the weaker GMs in the league. Maybe his ability to assess young talent will offset his weaknesses. I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraken70 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 34 minutes ago, Kakanucks said: What "canuck fans" need is a life outside of CDC. Like maybe actually work/go to school/meet some friends/ leave your basement. And yet, here you are. Get out of your basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 19 minutes ago, Monty said: Then there's silver lining to it. He won't cost a lot to extend, probably in the $3.5M region. He's a great veteran to have in the room, who will help the younger guys coming in adjust. At the end of the day, you still have to try. And having solid defense, something the Canucks need badly, is incredibly important when you are rebuilding. Just ask the Oilers. I certainly hope the Canucks re-sign him, but I don't trust Benning on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 17 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said: Before people start screaming for Bennings head, they need to understand a couple things: Vrbata: A deal clearly required Benning to eat part of Vrbata's salary... other team's were not prepared to deal based on his full salary... and Vancouver ownership wasn't ready to do that, especially since the deal probably didn't involve picks. Hamhuis: Dan Hamhuis negotiated a deal which paid him less than market value but gave him a no-trade clause. Dan didn't have to waive that clause at all... but he agreed to go to two teams... Chicago and Dallas. Chicago wanted Hamhuis, but because of their CAP space had to offload Bickell and his deadweight contract on Vancouver... who wants that? Dallas we don't know for sure, in fact, there was a lot of speculation there was no concrete offer at all. In any case, it wasn't likely a case of a straight across trade of Hamhuis for a pick, it involved something else... and that wasn't acceptable. Then Dallas came back at the end with a lowball. Now people can say, "...better something than nothing."... but what if Hamhuis doesn't come back to Vancouver? We do need defensemen desperately... it is foolish to jeapordize the relationship and the guarantee of re-signing Hamhuis for a cr*p pick. Your far more accurate I suspect than most on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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