‹(•¿•)› Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Brouwer signed at 5 mil. Eriksson signed at 6 mil. Sbisa traded for a pick. Burrows and Higgins bought out. Virtanen starts in Utica. Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson (20 mil.) Brouwer - Sutter - Hansen (12 mil.) Baertschi - Horvat - Rodin (4.5 mil.) Etem - Granlund - Dorsett (5 mil.) Gaunce (1 mil.) Formards = approx. 42.5 mil Edler - Tanev (9.5 mil.) Hutton - Gudbranson (4.5 mil) Tryamkin - Larsen (2 mil.) Biega Pedan (1.5mil) Defensemen = approx. 17.5 mil. Burrows + Higgins buyouts = 3.3 mil. Total cap hit approx. 63.3 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Dank - Vey - Hansen Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen Etem - Gaunce - Rodin Dorsett - Granlund - Burrows Hutton - Gudbranson Subban - Tanev Tryamkin - Sbisa This will be the lineup halfway through the season when we stack up injuries like we did this past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 5 hours ago, ‹(•¿•)› said: Brouwer signed at 5 mil. Eriksson signed at 6 mil. Sbisa traded for a pick. Burrows and Higgins bought out. Virtanen starts in Utica. Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson (20 mil.) Brouwer - Sutter - Hansen (12 mil.) Baertschi - Horvat - Rodin (4.5 mil.) Etem - Granlund - Dorsett (5 mil.) Gaunce (1 mil.) Formards = approx. 42.5 mil Edler - Tanev (9.5 mil.) Hutton - Gudbranson (4.5 mil) Tryamkin - Larsen (2 mil.) Biega Pedan (1.5mil) Defensemen = approx. 17.5 mil. Burrows + Higgins buyouts = 3.3 mil. Total cap hit approx. 63.3 mil. It doesn't seem like there is enough cap to bring in 2 free agents this summer. Even if Sbisa gets traded plus there are discussions to bring back Hamhuis who will command likely more than Sbisa. Total cap hit approx. 63.3 mil. Miller - Markstrom 7.55 Luongo retention 0.8 Estimated cap hit - 71.7 mil In a year - start 2017/18: Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson (20 mil.) Brouwer - Sutter - Hansen (12 mil.) Baertschi - (Horvat) - Rodin (3.5 mil.) Etem - Granlund - Dorsett (5 mil.) Gaunce (1 mil.) Formards = approx. 41.5 mil w/o Horvat Edler - Tanev (9.5 mil.) (Hutton - Gudbranson) (-) Tryamkin - Larsen (2 mil.) Biega Pedan (1.5mil) Defensemen = approx. 13 mil w/o Hutton & Gudbranson Burrows + Higgins buyouts + Luongo retention = 2.4 mil. Total cap hit approx. 57 mil. for 18 players If the cap is at 75M - it leaves only 18M for: - Gudbranson with 1 year left to free agency - Markstrom UFA and designated #1 - Hutton and Horvat coming off their ELCs - Backup goalie - Raises to Etem, Gaunce, Pedan, Tryamkin, Rodin and Larsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I wouldn't worry about raises for Etem, Gaunce, Pedan, Rodin and Larsen. I doubt they get that much of a raise, and if they do they'll be traded. 18 million is plenty of cap space to go around with the possibility of trading Hansen still to make it over 20 million. Especially if they get Markstrom and Gudbranson locked up this summer at a reasonable price. Bottom line is they've got tons of cap space to work with and they're not going to ice a worse roster next season out of fear of players getting raises. That's why you don't give out no trade clauses to every player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 29 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I wouldn't worry about raises for Etem, Gaunce, Pedan, Rodin and Larsen. I doubt they get that much of a raise, and if they do they'll be traded. 18 million is plenty of cap space to go around with the possibility of trading Hansen still to make it over 20 million. Especially if they get Markstrom and Gudbranson locked up this summer at a reasonable price. Bottom line is they've got tons of cap space to work with and they're not going to ice a worse roster next season out of fear of players getting raises. That's why you don't give out no trade clauses to every player. The important players are - Gudbranson - Hutton - Horvat - Markstrom carve out roughly 3M for raises to Tryamkin & Co. and to add a backup goalie. That's 15M only. Trade Hansen and replace him by an ELC - that's 16.5M. If they keep Hamhuis or Sbisa - then it's even less than the amounts listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, mll said: The important players are - Gudbranson - Hutton - Horvat - Markstrom carve out roughly 3M for raises to Tryamkin & Co. and to add a backup goalie. That's 15M only. Trade Hansen and replace him by an ELC - that's 16.5M. If they keep Hamhuis or Sbisa - then it's even less than the amounts listed. Good thing they're all RFA's at the end of next season and can have their salaries kept at a reasonable price. In two seasons 14 million will be coming off the books from the Sedins. Whether or not the retire by then remains to be seen, but there's a good chance if they do re-sign it will be short term with smaller cap hits. Again not worried about it. Gotta take advantage of ELCs while you can and worry about clearing space later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 18 minutes ago, mll said: The important players are - Gudbranson - Hutton - Horvat - Markstrom carve out roughly 3M for raises to Tryamkin & Co. and to add a backup goalie. That's 15M only. Trade Hansen and replace him by an ELC - that's 16.5M. If they keep Hamhuis or Sbisa - then it's even less than the amounts listed. Let's wait a bit longer than 15 games before talking about raises. Don't count the chickens until they hatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 27 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I wouldn't worry about raises for Etem, Gaunce, Pedan, Rodin and Larsen. I doubt they get that much of a raise, and if they do they'll be traded. 18 million is plenty of cap space to go around with the possibility of trading Hansen still to make it over 20 million. Especially if they get Markstrom and Gudbranson locked up this summer at a reasonable price. Bottom line is they've got tons of cap space to work with and they're not going to ice a worse roster next season out of fear of players getting raises. That's why you don't give out no trade clauses to every player. We would have roughly up to 12.4M to 15M in cap space, plus or minus a little. We currently have 59M in cap with the current roster(with unsigned RFAs). NHL said in March cap will approximate be where it is now(71.4M) up to 74M. NHLPA can initiate its 5% escalator to increase the cap. They have only not done it once in the cap era and that was during the 2006-07 season. As it stands we likely can sign the RFAs we want back, even with 12M, as most will be getting 1 year or bridge contracts. On top of re-signing our RFAs we can look at the UFA market and start to consider whether we want to re-sign Hamhuis(And it seems JB does want him back but at what price?). That 2017-18 off-season will be a bigger one than this IMO. Gudbranson, Gaunce, Tryamkin Horvat and Hutton become RFAs and Markstrom will be an upcoming UFA. I am sure some of those signings could get done during this off-season and during this upcoming NHL season. We are not in a bad spot cap wise moving forward. Gotta love them ELCs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Most of these predictions that have 2 UFA signings i am 99% do not fit under the cap. Would need to trade and/or buyout Higgins and Burrows, as well as lose Millers Cap to come close to accommodating two big UFA forward signings because they will demand a lot of $$ as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 38 minutes ago, falcon45ca said: Let's wait a bit longer than 15 games before talking about raises. Don't count the chickens until they hatch. An estimate after a full season (we are talking of summer 2017) of 3M for raises to Tryamkin, Pedan, Larsen, Rodin, Gaunce, Etem and to add a backup goalie is pretty reasonable I would think. The point is that there is unlikely to be enough cap to add 2 expensive UFAs this summer because of the situation in a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 21 minutes ago, R3aL said: Most of these predictions that have 2 UFA signings i am 99% do not fit under the cap. Would need to trade and/or buyout Higgins and Burrows, as well as lose Millers Cap to come close to accommodating two big UFA forward signings because they will demand a lot of $$ as usual Sedin Sedin Brouwer Ladd Sutter Hansen Baertschi Horvat Virtanen Etem Granlund Dorsett Rodin Edler Tanev Hutton Gubranson Hamhuis Tryamkin Pedan Biega Miller Markstrom With Brouwer signing at 4.25, Ladd signing at 6 million, Baertschi re-signing at 1.75, and Etem and Pedan both re-signing at about 900k, that roster comes in at roughly 68 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 31 minutes ago, R3aL said: Most of these predictions that have 2 UFA signings i am 99% do not fit under the cap. Would need to trade and/or buyout Higgins and Burrows, as well as lose Millers Cap to come close to accommodating two big UFA forward signings because they will demand a lot of $$ as usual Unlikely. There's about 59M tied up right now - assuming Burrows gets bought out and replaced by Gaunce. Sedin 7 Sedin 7 Hansen 2.5 Baertschi tbd - Sutter 4.4 - UFA tbd Etem tbd - Horvat 0.9 - Dorsett 2.65 Gaunce 0.9 - Granlund 0.9 - Virtanen 0.9 Rodin 0.95 Edler 5 - Tanev 4.45 Hutton 0.9 - Gudbranson 3.5 Sbisa 3.6 - Tryamkin 0.9 Biega 0.75 - Larsen tbd Miller 6 - Markstrom 1.55 Luongo 0.8 - Higgins 0.83 - Burrows 2.5 19 players (10F + 7D + 2G + penalties): roughly 59M So at a cap of 71M it leaves about 12M to add 4 players / less if they trade Sbisa and bring back Hamhuis UFA, Baertschi, Etem, Larsen to be added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 23 minutes ago, mll said: Unlikely. There's about 59M tied up right now - assuming Burrows gets bought out and replaced by Gaunce. Sedin 7 Sedin 7 Hansen 2.5 Baertschi tbd - Sutter 4.4 - UFA tbd Etem tbd - Horvat 0.9 - Dorsett 2.65 Gaunce 0.9 - Granlund 0.9 - Virtanen 0.9 Rodin 0.95 Edler 5 - Tanev 4.45 Hutton 0.9 - Gudbranson 3.5 Sbisa 3.6 - Tryamkin 0.9 Biega 0.75 - Larsen tbd Miller 6 - Markstrom 1.55 Luongo 0.8 - Higgins 0.83 - Burrows 2.5 19 players (10F + 7D + 2G + penalties): roughly 59M So at a cap of 71M it leaves about 12M to add 4 players / less if they trade Sbisa and bring back Hamhuis UFA, Baertschi, Etem, Larsen to be added The roster you posted adds up to about 61 million with players re-signing and the penalties. With Baerstchi at roughly 1.75 for 1 year, and Pedan and Etem at 950k. That leaves around 10 million to sign two top 6 forwards (-900k because they'd be replacing Gaunce or Rodin) Also the Burrows buyout isn't 2.5 million either. It's two thirds of his salary (not his cap hit) over 2 years. His salary next season is 3 million, so it makes the penalty 1.98. And this is assuming the cap will only go up to 71 million which is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, DeNiro said: The roster you posted adds up to about 61 million with players re-signing and the penalties. With Baerstchi at roughly 1.75 for 1 year, and Pedan and Etem at 950k. That leaves around 10 million to sign two top 6 forwards (-900k because they'd be replacing Gaunce or Rodin) Also the Burrows buyout isn't 2.5 million either. It's two thirds of his salary (not his cap hit) over 2 years. His salary next season is 3 million, so makes the penalty 1.98. And this assuming the cap will only go up to 71 million which is unlikely. In fact it is - many of these cap websites have cap calculators so you can easily verify my numbers. The cap penalty is cap hit less salary savings. The buyout salary is 2/3rd of 3M spread over 2 years - so 2x1M (c). a. Cap hit b. Salary c. Buyout salary d. Salary savings (b-c) e. Buyout cap hit (a-d) 2016/17 4.5M 3M 1M 2M 2.5M 2017/18 - - 1M -1M 1M -------- The problem is still the year after when Gudbranson, Hutton, Horvat and Markstrom need to be re-signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, mll said: In fact it is - many of these cap websites have cap calculators so you can easily verify my numbers. The cap penalty is cap hit less salary savings. The buyout salary is 2/3rd of 3M spread over 2 years - so 2x1M (c). a. Cap hit b. Salary c. Buyout salary d. Salary savings (b-c) e. Buyout cap hit (a-d) 2016/17 4.5M 3M 1M 2M 2.5M 2017/18 - - 1M -1M 1M -------- The problem is still the year after when Gudbranson, Hutton, Horvat and Markstrom need to be re-signed. Fair enough, but technically the cap is slated at 71.4 million so that almost erases that extra 500k anyways. And that's before the NHLPA is likely to increase the cap. Hutton and Horvat are RFAs so their salary can be controlled. With Miller's 6 million coming off the books and the option to move Hansen and/or Sbisa as our young guys become NHL ready (Boeser/Dubois/Stecher/Subban) it won't be a problem. And then one year after their bridge deals, the Sedins 14 million will come off the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 59 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Sedin Sedin Brouwer Ladd Sutter Hansen Baertschi Horvat Virtanen Etem Granlund Dorsett Rodin Edler Tanev Hutton Gubranson Hamhuis Tryamkin Pedan Biega Miller Markstrom With Brouwer signing at 4.25, Ladd signing at 6 million, Baertschi re-signing at 1.75, and Etem and Pedan both re-signing at about 900k, that roster comes in at roughly 68 million. I think Brouwer at 4.25 is realistic but not UFA realistic, he will get more sadly I think. Ladd could get more too. But most of the predictions have had Stamkos + another, Okposo + another etc all with Miller too Yours is realistic but it still requires a lot and I am not sure if I like it. Both players will be signing at market discounts, less than they could elsewhere, which is hypothetically possible if they want to play in BC. Would need to trade Sbisa and not take any salary back. Would need a combo of trades and buyout for Higgins and Burr And would need to Resign Hammer at a discount And then you have to make peace with spending 10+ million on aging vets who are likley to score 40 points each, and ladd was very unimpressive in the playoffs which is concerning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Teams always overpay for UFA's, and especially how competitive the league is now and how tight the playoff race is we can be sure some players will be getting inflated contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECKO Canuck Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 If it was up to me the team would look like this at the start of next season: Sedin-Sedin-Hansen Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser Tkachuk-Sutter-Virtanen Etem-Granlund-Dorsett Edler-Tanev Hutton-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Subban Miller Markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 On May 28, 2016 at 11:49 AM, thejazz97 said: Daniel Sedin Henrik Sedin Jannik Hansen Sven Baertschi Brandon Sutter Jake Virtanen Emerson Etem Bo Horvat Anton Rodin Markus Granlund Brendan Gaunce Derek Dorsett Linden Vey Alex Edler Chris Tanev Ben Hutton Erik Gudbranson Dan Hamhuis Nikita Tryamkin Luca Sbisa Philip Larsen Jacob Markstrom Ryan Miller I think this is close but Benning lands one of Brouwer or Eriksson. I realize Dorsett a RW but he can be moved over to LW, lets face it, it won't change his point total or overall effectiveness. I also realize Brouer isn't a top line guy, but on our team next year with the twins it makes as much sense as Hansen and I think he'll have more push back than Hansen (I'm not knocking Hansen, I just think Brouwer has a bit more of that). I also think Sbisa gets moved and Gaunce might be the sweetener in a deal for a mid-1st round pick. Here's a good article on why: https://thecanuckway.com/2016/05/31/vancouver-canucks-trade-proposals-luca-sbisa-edition/ Daniel Sedin Henrik Sedin Eriksson/Brouwer Sven Baertschi Brandon Sutter Anton Rodin Emerson Etem Bo Horvat Hansen Dorsett Markus Granlund Jake Virtanen Linden Vey Alex Edler Chris Tanev Ben Hutton Erik Gudbranson Dan Hamhuis Nikita Tryamkin Pedan Philip Larsen Jacob Markstrom Ryan Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 7 hours ago, DeNiro said: I wouldn't worry about raises for Etem, Gaunce, Pedan, Rodin and Larsen. I doubt they get that much of a raise, and if they do they'll be traded. 18 million is plenty of cap space to go around with the possibility of trading Hansen still to make it over 20 million. Especially if they get Markstrom and Gudbranson locked up this summer at a reasonable price. Bottom line is they've got tons of cap space to work with and they're not going to ice a worse roster next season out of fear of players getting raises. That's why you don't give out no trade clauses to every player. Benning was talking about adding 2 guys in FA, but I think he landed one of them via trade in GudBranson so I think we're actually down to one major 1 FA signing. With the D trade Benning can concentrate on landing a RW for the twins and locking up some of the core like you mentioned. I'd prefer to see Benning spend more on some bridging deals with guys like Horvat vs going after additional guys over and above a RW like Eriksson for the 1st line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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