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19 hours ago, The Beagle had landed said:

Schaller being our extra forward allows Gaunce to stay in Utica and continue to develop his offensive game.  We know what he can do defensively and I believe he has enough smarts to be able to put it all together to be serviceable bottom 6 player in the near future.

Gaunce is definitely marinating nicely in Utica, and one of the reasons why I'm grateful that Schaller is sitting in the pressbox in his place. If and/or when he can elevate his production to the next level, we're in for a potentially solid bottom 6 forward, or elite 4th liner (bit of an oxymoron, I know, but can't really think of another way to put it). Plus, we've got him for another year ,so might as well see what else he can do.

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Almost forgot about this guy.  Would like to see him back one day playing with some intensity.  If he can manage that he could turn things around.  

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9 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Let’s examine that logic.  

 

Quinn Hughes has shown zero ability to play as a D in the NHL, after all he has never played there. ZERO. Gaunce has never been given the opportunity to play 3c in the NHL. ZERO.  Now this season, while playing in the AHL, he was playing at nearly a point a game pace, but he played three games in the NHL - limited minutes, but he got three points in those three games.  Also, in those three games, he was a plus 3 player.  He was sent down because it made financial sense to send him down rather than send down a guy that they had previously overpaid or had recently signed for a lot more money.  I believe this player is greatly underrated.

Haha you are hillarious boyo!!

 

Gaunce has played 117 NHL games and has gotten 15 points. He is barely an NHL 4th liner...but he can play 4th line in the NHL.

 

Hughes is a prospect in college. Why are you even mentioning him here?

 

Are you serious? 

 

Edit: easing up as per Wanless.

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14 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Haha you are hillarious boyo!!

 

Gaunce has played 117 NHL games and has gotten 15 points. He is barely an NHL 4th liner...but he can play 4th line in the NHL.

 

Hughes is a prospect in college. Why are you even mentioning him here?

 

Are you serious? If so, that is a pathetic post.

Easy there bud

 

he’s clearly talking about Gaunce this season and it makes sense why he was sent down

 

but i don’t get the Hughes part either

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Yeah it certainly help when we have a well thought out and presented post. Not as much of the "I think" and more factual :)

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On 10/4/2018 at 12:13 AM, GoldenAlien said:

I'm sorry, but this is revisionist history.  The Gaunce pick was widely lauded at the time.  Central Scouting ranked him #11 among NA skaters at midterm, #13 among NA skaters at final.  We got him at #26, and IIRC, Belleville fans said he only slipped in the CS rankings because his ice time was reduced after the trade deadline.  Zemgus Girgensons, ranked #18 among NA skaters, went #14 to Buffalo and I remember that was considered a good pick as well.  Gaunce was one of the best choices left on the board when it came to #26, he had been training with Gary Roberts since he was 16 and scored very well during the combine.  And pundits said that Cameron was a slow skater but made big strides in that area since being drafted, and Gaunce was already a better skater than him.

 

Two way centre does not equal low ceiling.  Horvat was known as one of the best two way centres in the OHL -- Nischushkin and Domi had higher ceilings.  Considering he was a top 10 pick, surely we should've been looking for maximum ceiling?  These three were drafted between #9-#12, but five years out, I think it's clear which forward was the right choice at #9.

 

Gaunce is a late first round pick in a mediocre draft, just look at all the forwards taken between #20 to #40 in 2012:

 

#20 Scott Laughton: 47 pts in 190 GP

#21 Mark Jankowski: 25 pts in 73 GP

#27 Henrik Samuelsson: 0 pts in 3 GP

#29 Stefan Mateau: 7pts in 64 GP

#30 Tanner Pearson: 143pts in 308 GP

#32 Mitch Moroz: never played in the NHL

#33 Sebastian Collberg:  never played in the NHL

#36 Nic Kerdiles: 0 pts in 3 GP

#39 Lukas Sutter: never played in the NHL

 

#26 Brendan Gaunce: 12pts in 114 GP

 

Of the 7 forwards taken after Gaunce, 6 did not play more than 10 games in the NHL.  Three didn't even get a single call up.  The only one who did better than Gaunce is Pearson, who was at the time, not an obvious pick.  He was 20 years old, had gone undrafted twice, ranked #25 among NA skaters by CS, and had skating problems.  He had 42pts in 66 GP in what would've been most people's draft+1 year, and then had 91pts in 60 GP as a 20 year old.  Guess who else exploded in their 20 year old season and was drafted in 2012?  Alexandre Mallet, who got 81 pts in 68 GP, but was known as a fast skater and one of the toughest forwards in the Q.  Gillis took him 27 spots after Pearson, which was a huge reach -- but not so much if you compared him to Pearson.  And look at how he turned out.  For every guy who suddenly had a big 20 year old season because they're the real deal, 10 only took off because it's their 4th year and they're playing in a league with 16 year olds.

 

In the end, out of a group of 8 forwards, we got the second best one, and to say that the pick was bad because Pearson surprised is like saying Kesler was a lousy pick at #23 because Anaheim took Perry at #28. 

 

That draft definitely had a weak 1st round. However, looking back, I was able to find a several serviceable forwards after pick 40  (I use serviceable loosely in some cases though):

 

#47 Brock McGinn: 62pts in 204 GP

#49 Martin Frk: 29pts in 93 GP

#50 Colton Sissons: 69pts in 232 GP

#55 Chris Tierney: 134pts in 331 GP

#58 Jordan Martinook: 77pts in 293 GP

#59 Boo Nieves: 13pts in 44 GP

#61 Devin Shore: 83pts in 211 GP

#63 Jujhar Khaira: 38pts in 137 GP

#66 Jimmy Vesey: 79pts in 205 GP

#77 Chandler Stephenson: 27pts in 123 GP

#81 Oskar Sundqvist: 23pts in 108 GP

#89 Brendan Leipsic: 36pts in 102 GP

#95 Josh Anderson: 86pts in 205 GP

#101 Cedric Paquette: 60pts in 283 GP

#104 Gemel Smith: 20pts in 77 GP

#110 Andreas Athanasiou: 104pts in 214 GP

#131 Seth Griffith: 18pts in 79 GP

#150 Alexander Kerfoot: 67pts in 122 GP

#156 Connor Brown: 86pts in 217 GP

#162 Joseph Blandisi: 26pts in 74 GP

#169 Vinnie Hinostroza: 53pts in 142 GP

#171 Tomas Hyka: 7pts in 67 GP

 

Just goes to show that development, deployment, and determination are all essential to how players progress in their careers. I'm definitely on the side that says "Play Gaunce" but at the same time I'm enjoying is progress in Utica ATM.

 

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20 minutes ago, therodigy said:

That draft definitely had a weak 1st round. However, looking back, I was able to find a several serviceable forwards after pick 40  (I use serviceable loosely in some cases though):

 

#47 Brock McGinn: 62pts in 204 GP

#49 Martin Frk: 29pts in 93 GP

#50 Colton Sissons: 69pts in 232 GP

#55 Chris Tierney: 134pts in 331 GP

#58 Jordan Martinook: 77pts in 293 GP

#59 Boo Nieves: 13pts in 44 GP

#61 Devin Shore: 83pts in 211 GP

#63 Jujhar Khaira: 38pts in 137 GP

#66 Jimmy Vesey: 79pts in 205 GP

#77 Chandler Stephenson: 27pts in 123 GP

#81 Oskar Sundqvist: 23pts in 108 GP

#89 Brendan Leipsic: 36pts in 102 GP

#95 Josh Anderson: 86pts in 205 GP

#101 Cedric Paquette: 60pts in 283 GP

#104 Gemel Smith: 20pts in 77 GP

#110 Andreas Athanasiou: 104pts in 214 GP

#131 Seth Griffith: 18pts in 79 GP

#150 Alexander Kerfoot: 67pts in 122 GP

#156 Connor Brown: 86pts in 217 GP

#162 Joseph Blandisi: 26pts in 74 GP

#169 Vinnie Hinostroza: 53pts in 142 GP

#171 Tomas Hyka: 7pts in 67 GP

 

Just goes to show that development, deployment, and determination are all essential to how players progress in their careers. I'm definitely on the side that says "Play Gaunce" but at the same time I'm enjoying is progress in Utica ATM.

 

I'd like to see him get a chance elsewhere honestly.

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6 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Haha you are hillarious boyo!!

 

Gaunce has played 117 NHL games and has gotten 15 points. He is barely an NHL 4th liner...but he can play 4th line in the NHL.

 

Hughes is a prospect in college. Why are you even mentioning him here?

 

Are you serious? 

 

Edit: easing up as per Wanless.

Gaunce played the previous two seasons with a bad shoulder.  He is finally healthy.  As a healthy player, he is 13g 12a 25 pts in 27 AHL games, and 1g 2a 3pts in three NHL games - limited minutes.  He and Gaudette are the best forward prospects in Utica at this point.  As for Hughes, at this point there is no proof that he can play at any other level than college, whereas there is recent information that Gaunce can play at that level - given the opportunity.  

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5 hours ago, cyoung said:

I'd like to see him get a chance elsewhere honestly.

He's a fringe NHL'r so why not be with us? I don't think the Canucks have given up on him just yet, but it's a bonus to have him in the minors and off of the radar of other teams. Believe it or not. 24 year olds can improve in the minors. He's a leader on the ice and in the dressing room and he makes the Comets better.

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Hopefully we dont resign Granlund and will have space to give Gaunce another try at the NHL. As people have said, he needs to play with intensity and not just float around waiting for chances and think that he some defensive specialist. 

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38 minutes ago, Drakrami said:

Hopefully we dont resign Granlund and will have space to give Gaunce another try at the NHL. As people have said, he needs to play with intensity and not just float around waiting for chances and think that he some defensive specialist. 

Granlunds a better player then Gaunce, so that seems like a poor idea. I could see Granlund traded though and Gaunce being given one last chance next year though.

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1 hour ago, Drakrami said:

Hopefully we dont resign Granlund and will have space to give Gaunce another try at the NHL. As people have said, he needs to play with intensity and not just float around waiting for chances and think that he some defensive specialist. 

I think we might see Granlund moved at the deadline. We've already got too many middling bodies at forward and in think they view Leivo as an upgrade.

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4 hours ago, canuckledraggin said:

He's a fringe NHL'r so why not be with us? I don't think the Canucks have given up on him just yet, but it's a bonus to have him in the minors and off of the radar of other teams. Believe it or not. 24 year olds can improve in the minors. He's a leader on the ice and in the dressing room and he makes the Comets better.

My point was I'd like to see him get an opportunity for a bigger role on another team. It's great to have him in the minors and stuff but im thinking more about him..

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I'd keep Granlund who is a Swiss Army knife player who battles and plays a complete 200 foot game.  Most likely a bottom 6 player but can play top 6 if need be due to injuries.  As for Gaunce, I've always liked that kid and I just think he's going to be a late bloomer who could play in the Canucks 3rd or 4th line (likely the latter).  I'd take Gaunce over Schaller as I think Gaunce has more skill and he's almost 4 years younger.  They play a similar role when on the Canucks.  I'd trade Schaller and bring up Gaunce or let Gaunce finish the season in Utica and then bring him up next year.  I'd like to give him another look on the Canucks.

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It is too bad Gaunce is buttery soft even though he is a big guy.  If he was more physical he would probably already be on the Canucks 4th line more permanently.

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20 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:

It is too bad Gaunce is buttery soft even though he is a big guy.  If he was more physical he would probably already be on the Canucks 4th line more permanently.

He's not buttery soft, he just doesn't hit with the same velocity as Virtanen.  Gaunce does finishes his checks, just he doesn't throw those, "Oooohhh!  He just flattened that guy!"

 

 

Being big doesn't mean you have to play physical.  Malhotra wasn't the most physical guy, and Linden (save for his early seasons) wasn't hammering guys.  

 

Plus, when you throw big hits, the opposition will react.  You'll also be more likely to get a penalty.... something counter-productive for a player who is supposed to be a defensive specialist and PKer.  You can't PK if you're in the box.

 

15 hours ago, RetroCanuck said:

Granlunds a better player then Gaunce, so that seems like a poor idea. I could see Granlund traded though and Gaunce being given one last chance next year though.

Granlund may be the better player overall... but I'd trust Gaunce on the ice to protect a lead than Granlund.  

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I feel kike one of the few people who have supported Gaunce from the get go.

 

Why do people feel to the need to expect point production out of this kid. He EXCELS at being a shutdown center with his defensive acumen. Put him on our fourth line with two veteran wingers.

 

Sammy Pahlsson was an integral part of the Ducks Cup run and that man barely cracked 20 pts a couple times in his career.

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On 1/18/2019 at 1:20 PM, cyoung said:

I'd like to see him get a chance elsewhere honestly.

Gaunce for Dal Colle (NYI). 2 guys that never panned out, Gaunce might be the more guaranteed roster player while Dal Colle has the higher upside

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5 hours ago, filthycanuck said:

Gaunce for Dal Colle (NYI). 2 guys that never panned out, Gaunce might be the more guaranteed roster player while Dal Colle has the higher upside

Don't think they will give us MDC after his "Resurgence" this year in the A. 

Just like Gaunce, MDC will have one more shot at it. 

 

I rather add a grit player on the young Canucks team next year tho than another skills guy. (plus, it would suck a lot if MDC pans out like Ty Rattie)

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