Borvat Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 17 hours ago, Alflives said: Could you imagine Utica with Sutter, Loui, Goldy, and Schaller? Thanks now I am trying not too. Stop doing that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, coastal.view said: and if players had been injured as a result of your suggested deployment what do you say about that ???? it's a cost of doing business? even though it is counter productive to you wanting a full line up fully ready to play for game 1 ?? how is green supposed to reconcile these 2 competing realities? there is no satisfactory strategy to resolve these as it is a bit of a catch 22 so is it really fair to criticize green in the manner you do ? Sure it is fair criticism. All regular season games count the same. Shouldn't the Canucks be ready for game 1? The power play has to be better and the rust has to be off for game 1. Edited October 6, 2019 by Crabcakes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 43 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Sure it is fair criticism. All regular season games count the same. Shouldn't the Canucks be ready for game 1? The power play has to be better and the rust has to be off for game 1. you simply refuse to recognize the risk of injury to players in preseason games brock was hurt and not available for the balance of the season due to injury but you choose to ignore that factor and simply insist players be ready for the season without regard for injury you do not comment on how you would respond if injury occurred if your wishes were followed keep your blinders on helps you think your criticism is fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: you simply refuse to recognize the risk of injury to players in preseason games brock was hurt and not available for the balance of the season due to injury but you choose to ignore that factor and simply insist players be ready for the season without regard for injury you do not comment on how you would respond if injury occurred if your wishes were followed keep your blinders on helps you think your criticism is fair No, I just don't bye your argument. I really don't believe that NHL coaches are making decisions because they are afraid their players might get hurt. Players can get injured falling off a horse. What do you say about their team building exercise in Banff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Generally I was opposed to the idea but having a 4th line of Beagle-Sutter might be what's best moving forward. A lot of pressure on that line to match up but we got all our checking eggs in one basket supposedly. They'll see A LOT of defensive zone ice time and take up majority of the PK duties as expected. It allows Gaudette's line to be more of a filler line 5v5 when we need it, like after a PP or PK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highwayman3 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: Generally I was opposed to the idea but having a 4th line of Beagle-Sutter might be what's best moving forward. A lot of pressure on that line to match up but we got all our checking eggs in one basket supposedly. They'll see A LOT of defensive zone ice time and take up majority of the PK duties as expected. It allows Gaudette's line to be more of a filler line 5v5 when we need it, like after a PP or PK. The problem is that this line has been awful when tried so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 15 hours ago, Crabcakes said: No, I just don't bye your argument. I really don't believe that NHL coaches are making decisions because they are afraid their players might get hurt. Players can get injured falling off a horse. What do you say about their team building exercise in Banff? Yeah, maybe Larsson got injuried in game 1 when the intensity rises because he wasn't ready to play and was rusty as a result of not playing preseason games with the players he would in game 1....Game 1 counts just as much as Game 15 and Game 75, they all count. Not being ready is a bad laid plan...with all the new guys, they are not ready because they haven't played together....what's more important than the forwards knowing what their line partners are doing? Answer: The forwards knowing what the D are doing...half the guys are new on the D if you count Q....they needed to play a few games together as a team in order to be ready for game 1....Management chose not to. Crabs....I'm buying what you are selling! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DownUndaCanuck Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 Can we finally put this idea to bed that Sutter is expendable and Gaudette is ready to replace him? Two nice goals, a horse on the PK and can win big draws for us. Matchups-wise he's one of the best 3rd liners in the league. Gaudette showed us flashes of offence in the pre-season but his game is nowhere near as well rounded as Sutters. Sutter is a foundational piece to this team, end of conversation. We saw what happened when he was injured and the workload got passed on to Horvat last season. These 3 down the middle and Beagle at 4C gives us some incredible two-way centers that not many teams in this league have. Offence from the D and defence from the forwards is what it takes nowadays to win Cups. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Can we finally put this idea to bed that Sutter is expendable and Gaudette is ready to replace him? Two nice goals, a horse on the PK and can win big draws for us. Matchups-wise he's one of the best 3rd liners in the league. Gaudette showed us flashes of offence in the pre-season but his game is nowhere near as well rounded as Sutters. Sutter is a foundational piece to this team, end of conversation. We saw what happened when he was injured and the workload got passed on to Horvat last season. These 3 down the middle and Beagle at 4C gives us some incredible two-way centers that not many teams in this league have. Offence from the D and defence from the forwards is what it takes nowadays to win Cups. Amen brotha DUC Sutter should change his name to: Grossly Underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyezone Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I have been talking all sorts of smack toward Suttsy and I stand corrected. A great game by #20 and I hope he keeps it up and stays healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Nice to see Sutts reminding fans what he can bring. Along with his great defensive game, he can score goals and will be a terrific mentor for Gaud. Stay healthy Brendon! His value is going to be very high if this continues throughout the season. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrwipeout Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 yup..hes supposed to be a defensive player right? considering he now has gaud, ferland, virtanen, leivo, pearson as options to play with on the 3rd line u betcha ur gonna see more chances there also. this years roster is a definite upgrade from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Showcasing Sutter for impending trade?? 4pts in 5 games, 2G and 2 A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said: Showcasing Sutter for impending trade?? 4pts in 5 games, 2G and 2 A Hmmm that can’t be right, if it is that doesn’t look good on coaching starting your defensive players in the oZone and your offensive players in the d zone Edited October 16, 2019 by Dats hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Dats hockey said: Hmmm that can’t be right, if it is that doesn’t look good on coaching starting your defensive players in the oZone and your offensive players in the d zone Unless they keep winning. Then it is GENIOUS!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 22 hours ago, Mackcanuck said: Showcasing Sutter for impending trade?? 4pts in 5 games, 2G and 2 A I have a feeling that's an inaccurate source. It doesn't make sense that Sutter and Beagle are both sitting above 60% offensive zone starts (let alone all our other bottom 6 forwards). Maybe the oZS% and dZS% columns got swapped somehow? Sutter is off to a pretty good start though, and with Gaudette looking good to start the season as well maybe the Canucks brass will look to move him (and bring Baertschi back up). I do like the idea of Gaudette and Sutter sharing a line for a while though, one could certainly do worse than having Sutter as a mentor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Diamonds said: I have a feeling that's an inaccurate source. It doesn't make sense that Sutter and Beagle are both sitting above 60% offensive zone starts (let alone all our other bottom 6 forwards). Maybe the oZS% and dZS% columns got swapped somehow? I have to agree with that statement. My question would be: Is that an accidental goof, or a deliberate troll by who ever this Ray Hatt is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Diamonds said: I have a feeling that's an inaccurate source. It doesn't make sense that Sutter and Beagle are both sitting above 60% offensive zone starts (let alone all our other bottom 6 forwards). Maybe the oZS% and dZS% columns got swapped somehow? Sutter is off to a pretty good start though, and with Gaudette looking good to start the season as well maybe the Canucks brass will look to move him (and bring Baertschi back up). I do like the idea of Gaudette and Sutter sharing a line for a while though, one could certainly do worse than having Sutter as a mentor. 40 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: I have to agree with that statement. My question would be: Is that an accidental goof, or a deliberate troll by who ever this Ray Hatt is. Thought it was curious as well...so I double checked on hockey-reference.com and sure enough...sorted by oZS%: https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/VAN/ Quote Skater Advanced Statistics Share & more Modify & Share Table Embed this Table Get as Excel Workbook (experimental) Get table as CSV (for Excel) Strip Mobile Formatting Copy Link to Table to Clipboard About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Glossary Corsi (EV) Fenwick (EV) PDO (EV) Zone Starts (EV) Rk Player Age Pos GP CF CA CF% CF% rel FF FA FF% FF% rel oiSH% oiSV% PDO oZS%▼ dZS% TOI/60 TOI(EV) TK GV E+/- SAtt. Thru% 1 Brandon Sutter 30 C/RW 5 29 52 35.8 -19.1 18 37 32.7 -21.0 31.3 90.0 121.3 72.7 27.3 14:52 10:53 2 2 -0.1 10 90.0 2 Jake Virtanen 23 RW 5 32 41 43.8 -8.5 24 29 45.3 -5.0 15.4 100.0 115.4 69.4 30.6 11:33 11:32 2 0 0.0 7 42.9 3 Adam Gaudette 23 C 3 20 29 40.8 -10.3 13 21 38.2 -10.6 11.1 92.9 104.0 68.0 32.0 11:31 10:38 0 1 3 33.3 4 Jordie Benn 32 D 5 38 63 37.6 -18.0 26 44 37.1 -16.6 18.8 94.3 113.0 64.4 35.6 15:32 13:39 1 2 -0.1 4 50.0 5 Troy Stecher 25 D 5 44 56 44.0 -9.2 30 40 42.9 -8.8 25.0 93.8 118.8 63.8 36.2 13:42 13:13 1 1 -0.1 14 35.7 6 Josh Leivo 26 LW 5 51 50 50.5 -0.3 32 34 48.5 -1.0 20.0 91.7 111.7 63.4 36.6 15:51 12:52 2 4 0.1 18 33.3 7 Tyler Motte 24 C 1 14 7 66.7 34.7 11 5 68.8 40.6 0.0 100.0 100.0 62.5 37.5 16:10 14:58 1 0 2 50.0 8 Jay Beagle 34 RW/C 5 26 32 44.8 -6.9 21 23 47.7 -1.8 7.7 100.0 107.7 60.6 39.4 11:26 9:13 2 1 0.0 4 75.0 9 Alexander Edler 33 D 5 74 71 51.0 0.6 51 54 48.6 -1.1 8.6 87.2 95.8 60.0 40.0 25:10 18:14 1 3 0.0 27 40.7 10 Tim Schaller 29 LW 5 30 29 50.8 0.2 24 23 51.1 2.3 7.1 100.0 107.1 60.0 40.0 11:03 9:11 0 0 0.0 6 33.3 11 Tyler Myers 29 D 5 74 65 53.2 4.1 52 50 51.0 2.9 11.4 89.2 100.6 54.9 45.1 22:27 18:35 4 2 0.1 23 39.1 12 Micheal Ferland 27 LW 5 33 46 41.8 -11.3 22 29 43.1 -7.6 13.3 84.2 97.5 51.9 48.1 12:51 11:21 1 0 -0.1 5 60.0 13 Bo Horvat 24 C 5 72 52 58.1 11.1 47 36 56.6 11.0 9.1 84.6 93.7 45.8 54.2 19:04 15:24 1 4 0.1 15 33.3 14 Tanner Pearson 27 LW 5 44 49 47.3 -4.5 29 37 43.9 -7.1 13.0 82.8 95.8 43.8 56.3 17:03 12:59 4 3 0.1 20 80.0 15 Loui Eriksson 34 LW 1 8 8 50.0 -19.1 3 5 37.5 -33.2 0.0 80.0 80.0 40.0 60.0 13:12 10:53 0 0 -0.2 2 0.0 16 Elias Pettersson 21 C 5 66 51 56.4 8.4 45 39 53.6 6.5 20.0 85.2 105.2 38.2 61.8 18:01 13:57 3 3 -0.1 23 30.4 17 Chris Tanev 30 D 5 54 57 48.6 -2.9 33 36 47.8 -1.9 15.4 87.0 102.3 35.8 64.2 19:57 16:27 1 2 -0.2 7 42.9 18 Brock Boeser 22 RW 5 67 51 56.8 9.0 44 37 54.3 7.5 23.1 84.0 107.1 34.2 65.8 18:25 14:22 0 1 -0.2 23 52.2 19 Quinn Hughes 20 D 5 79 47 62.7 18.3 52 32 61.9 18.9 20.6 81.0 101.5 32.7 67.3 20:01 17:25 3 5 0.0 19 31.6 20 J.T. Miller 26 C 5 73 47 60.8 15.1 47 34 58.0 12.9 20.0 84.0 104.0 32.0 68.0 17:54 14:13 2 5 0.2 11 54.5 This likely also explains some of the reason Pettersson/Boeser/Horvat haven't been off to flying starts. Edited October 17, 2019 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaninMex Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 On another note, our PK is first in the league with Sutter and Beagle. Sutter is getting most of the minutes according to what I heard during the game. Big reason for our wins not doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 All that offense and Brandon Sutter is the highest mover up the all-time Canuck scoring list, creeping up to the top 100. 102. Dan Quinn C 101 34 49 83 103. Brandon Sutter C 198 40 41 81 104. Michel Petit D 226 24 57 81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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