PhillipBlunt Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: This is exactly it. With Sbisa and Stecher playing a lot now, they're learning and can show that they can play against top defencemen. With that confidence, hopefully the coaches are more willing to play bottom pairings than burn Edler out at 25+ mins a night. We need him down at 22-23 to be successful. This team lacks a true 25+ minute defenceman, lets not pretend like Edler's one of them. He's still our best guy though. When Tanev comes back I hope our defence looks a bit like this: Hutton - Gudbranson Sbisa - Tanev Tryamkin - Stecher And when Edler's back it'll be interesting to see where Tanev ends up. Stecher has been IMO our best defenceman all season long, even when Edler and Tanev have been healthy. I'd rather see Stecher on the top pairing playing 20-21 minutes right now which seems like a lot for a rookie, but he's proven that he can log those big minutes without making mistakes but more importantly, playing well right until the end. Edler - Stecher Hutton - Gudbranson Sbisa - Tanev With that depth, WD has no excuse to over-play any particular pairing. If there's more PPs, our top pairing gets more minutes naturally. If there's more PKs, our bottom pairing log more minutes. Everyone should be equals in that defensive unit. Sbisa at maybe around 15-18 minutes, Tanev at around 20, Hutton and Gudbranson at around 20-21 tops, Stecher around 20 and Edler no more than 22 minutes. I think Tryamkin needs to be kept in the lineup. His presence is far too valuable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 8 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: I think Tryamkin needs to be kept in the lineup. His presence is far too valuable. Problem is, we have seven NHL-quality d-men with Tram and Stecher stepping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydog Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Not a bad problem to have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 11 hours ago, ajhockey said: Problem is, we have seven NHL-quality d-men with Tram and Stecher stepping up. That's a problem? Not in my mind. There are always injuries on D and it never hurts to have competition for spots anyway. GCG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, nux_win said: That's a problem? Not in my mind. There are always injuries on D and it never hurts to have competition for spots anyway. GCG! As you eluded to, it's only a problem if/when everyone's healthy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 17 minutes ago, J.R. said: As you eluded to, it's only a problem if/when everyone's healthy... It's not even a problem then. I think that it is always a good thing to have more NHL quality players than roster spots, that way nobody is guaranteed a job and everyone has to be on their best performance at all times. No floating allowed. If someone needs a rest (or a break for motivational reasons) then there is always someone else who can step in. It's good to keep everyone hungry and a little uncertain. GCG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 4 hours ago, nux_win said: That's a problem? Not in my mind. There are always injuries on D and it never hurts to have competition for spots anyway. GCG! Indeed, I meant "problem" as in a good problem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 What does Ed have 3 points? How does that evn happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Edler's back and we win two consecutive games. Coincidence? Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Nice to see Edler paired with a talented partner like Stetcher. They read off each other really, Sedin like even! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 8 hours ago, SILLY GOOSE said: Nice to see Edler paired with a talented partner like Stetcher. They read off each other really, Sedin like even! Ya, liking the new pairs. Edler Stecher Hutton Tanev Sbisa Tryamkin Guddy who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 7 hours ago, Crabcakes said: Ya, liking the new pairs. Edler Stecher Hutton Tanev Sbisa Tryamkin Guddy who? Guddy? Do we really need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 2 hours ago, canucklehead44 said: Guddy? Do we really need him? I'd really like to think that there's more there than we've seen so far 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeard Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Edler really stabilizes Stetcher. Stetcher must love that he's the one being relied on to make the play on their pairing as Edler always pass him the puck and plays support, instead of just hammering the puck on the boards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Crabcakes said: I'd really like to think that there's more there than we've seen so far Me too. I didn't expect him to put up points obviously but was hoping he would resemble Wille Mitchell more than Andrew Alberts. For how he has played this year he looks like a 5/6 tweener, not a second pairing Dman. Sbisa has outplayed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 40 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said: Me too. I didn't expect him to put up points obviously but was hoping he would resemble Wille Mitchell more than Andrew Alberts. For how he has played this year he looks like a 5/6 tweener, not a second pairing Dman. Sbisa has outplayed him. Maybe in a couple of years when he is as old as Sbisa is now, Guddy will be better. It's not completely unheard of for Dmen to get better as they progress through their mid-twenties. Remember what Pizza was like a couple of years ago? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 8 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: Maybe in a couple of years when he is as old as Sbisa is now, Guddy will be better. It's not completely unheard of for Dmen to get better as they progress through their mid-twenties. Remember what Pizza was like a couple of years ago? He is better than Pizza was two years ago for sure. I think he will be fine, Dmen can take awhile to adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 10 hours ago, canucklehead44 said: Me too. I didn't expect him to put up points obviously but was hoping he would resemble Wille Mitchell more than Andrew Alberts. For how he has played this year he looks like a 5/6 tweener, not a second pairing Dman. Sbisa has outplayed him. Sbisa has outplayed him but Sbisa has made a leap forward this year that many fans still do not want to recognize. Sbisa was playing well last year and has upped it again. That said he is almost 3 years older. Passing judgment on Gudbranson after 30 games is way to premature. I do not look at whether one is better than the other but what a d-core with both playing well does for the Canucks. The Canucks cannot be satisfied building a d-core for regular season play. They need a group that can compete in 'heavy' CUP play. I still think that EG can be part of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 57 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Sbisa has outplayed him but Sbisa has made a leap forward this year that many fans still do not want to recognize. Sbisa was playing well last year and has upped it again. That said he is almost 3 years older. Passing judgment on Gudbranson after 30 games is way to premature. I do not look at whether one is better than the other but what a d-core with both playing well does for the Canucks. The Canucks cannot be satisfied building a d-core for regular season play. They need a group that can compete in 'heavy' CUP play. I still think that EG can be part of that. Me too. I don't mean to knock EG, but I am just saying it like it is. I think he can develop into a very good dman for us. Sbisa has played 62 games more than EG, so the gap isn't that big in terms of experience. It is more about managing expectations. Gudbranson was touted or penciled in as our #3 dman, with Sbisa as a bottom pairing. If Gudbranson played up to expectations this team probably still misses the playoffs AND he gets a huge pay raise. With him struggling this lowers his leverage, so hopefully we can lock him down for a lower price so he can be an affordable part of our core when we are actually competitive again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said: Me too. I don't mean to knock EG, but I am just saying it like it is. I think he can develop into a very good dman for us. Sbisa has played 62 games more than EG, so the gap isn't that big in terms of experience. It is more about managing expectations. Gudbranson was touted or penciled in as our #3 dman, with Sbisa as a bottom pairing. If Gudbranson played up to expectations this team probably still misses the playoffs AND he gets a huge pay raise. With him struggling this lowers his leverage, so hopefully we can lock him down for a lower price so he can be an affordable part of our core when we are actually competitive again. Guddy offers up toughness, and can log big minutes. He proved in the playoffs with Florida (26 min/game) that he's a top shut down guy. What do we do with him if he demands 5+ per season? Is he worth that, especially considering Tanev's contract? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now