Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted March 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2018 52 minutes ago, TheHitman said: Wow, guessing he wouldn't have passed another teams physical and that's why he wasn't traded. Looks like we're saddled with his contract for three more years now, damn. After the UFA period Benning needs to find a loophole and renegotiate Gudbranson's contract. Unlikely true at all. Shoulder tweaks are very common and unless another team wanted him just for a run and no interest in re-signing then this would not have been an issue. There are probably three or four guys on every team in any given year that have a shoulder issue that could use a tweak. I remember it being very common. Surgery isn't always required but it is becoming more common to see it happen after players play a lot with the issue (pain). You are "saddled" with a very good Dman at a very good price. It speaks volumes about character that knowing he was injured in November, he comes back and still played very physically. "Loophole" - give me a break. You and fifth line need to follow another sport. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, TheHitman said: Wow, guessing he wouldn't have passed another teams physical and that's why he wasn't traded. Looks like we're saddled with his contract for three more years now, damn. After the UFA period Benning needs to find a loophole and renegotiate Gudbranson's contract. Assumptions much? Pro tip: whenever you start "guessing" regarding physicals and other insider knowledge that's generally not known by a fan you tend to expose how little you know since apparently it must be too hard to come up with actual reasons why you hate on the guy. It's one thing to hate on a player: I get that and that's your opinion, but please, can you at least come up with something other than things you obviously are not going to know in the first place? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Lock said: Assumptions much? Pro tip: whenever you start "guessing" regarding physicals and other insider knowledge that's generally not known by a fan you tend to expose how little you know since apparently it must be too hard to come up with actual reasons why you hate on the guy. It's one thing to hate on a player: I get that and that's your opinion, but please, can you at least come up with something other than things you obviously are not going to know in the first place? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Wow That is a long layoff. September if my math is right. Damn son lol Edited March 15, 2018 by Rush17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Wow That is a long layoff. September if my math is right. Damn son lol Full recovery though, so that means the shoulder wil be rebuilt and good to go. Nothing stopping him from keeping cardio up. It's relatively minor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Canucks Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 41 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Wow That is a long layoff. September if my math is right. Damn son lol That's why it is good he is getting the surgery now. Means he should be good to go for the start of next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Western Red said: Full recovery though, so that means the shoulder wil be rebuilt and good to go. Nothing stopping him from keeping cardio up. It's relatively minor. That entire side of his body is going to be weaker besides his leg on that side. Thankfully he's a fully trained athletic and will be able to recover that muscle easier and faster than a normal person who isn't as active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The fact of the matter is this team has committed to two RHD who are prone to injuries. At some point injuries don't become an excuse anymore because you have to plan for them to occur. Both Tanev and Gudbranson frequently miss games which inevitably puts pressure on guys like Stecher to play top minutes and then people complain when Stecher gets brushed aside by Mackinnon. A big reason why Nashville has been great at developing defenseman is because they are able to shelter them properly and slowly build up their confidence. It seems the Canucks young D have to go through baptism by fire because the vets were injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 hours ago, The 5th Line said: When's the last time a player got signed literally weeks before they were knowingly due for a 6 month layoff? Why would he play through it? Because he knew he had to if he wanted to get a contract, if other teams knew he needed the surgery he wouldn't of got 4 mil, which means we easily overpaid for a 3rd pairing guy. Surgery is surgery, and 6 months off is 6 months off. It's not Gud.. Yes, he hid the injury from the team since November. OMG you are hilarious. Like OK in Edmonton, he played through it because it is optional surgery many players wait until off season but given where the Canucks are a mutual decision to shut it down was made. Having been there myself before, it happens. Have seen it happen many times. Really common. OK in Edmonton is going to get similar but has kept playing. You are relentlessly negative and now you are adding fiction to make your negativity even sound more dour. Do you have any hope or optimism in your life at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, The 5th Line said: When's the last time a player got signed literally weeks before they were knowingly due for a 6 month layoff? Why would he play through it? Because he knew he had to if he wanted to get a contract, if other teams knew he needed the surgery he wouldn't of got 4 mil, which means we easily overpaid for a 3rd pairing guy. Surgery is surgery, and 6 months off is 6 months off. It's not Gud.. Too much truth here Rob_Zepp can't handle. This deal was a real head-scratcher as Benning and the Canucks had all the leverage and were privy to information others did not have. Maybe it is a minor injury but the optics aren't good when the reality is that management overpays for a d-man who has not had (m)any good seasons, hasn't shown to be shutdown defencemen, is often injured, and can barely get his shots through (like most Canucks d man) but he apparently he provides all the "physical presence" the team is missing. EG is a 2-3 mill d-man at most but somehow even on a poor track record and very minimal improvement, he gets a raise and a multi-year extension. Benning has got to start paying the players what they are actually WORTH and not base his decisions on their "name" or "draft position", "trade history" or just for their "physical presence". Edited March 15, 2018 by Setyoureyesontheprize 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said: Too much truth here Rob_Zepp can't handle. This deal was a real head-scratcher as Benning and the Canucks had all the leverage and were privy to information others did not have. Maybe it is a minor injury but the optics aren't good when the reality is that management overpays for a d-man who has not had (m)any good seasons, hasn't shown to be shutdown defencemen, is often injured, and can barely get his shots through (like most Canucks d man) but he apparently he provides all the "physical presence" the team is missing. EG is a 2-3 mill d-man at most but somehow even on a poor track record and very minimal improvement, he gets a raise and a multi-year extension. Benning has got to start paying the players what they are actually WORTH and not base his decisions on their "name" or "draft position", "trade history" or just for their "physical presence". Wow. Just wow. A lot of you sure like to make things up about professional sports works but clearly have no real idea. Your core assumption that your Canucks are unique in everything from signings to injuries is intriguing as it clearly is not based on facts. Every professional hockey team has injuries and balances how to manage options including things like this that is a very common process and is a blessing they can shut him down versus Leafs with Matthews and his shoulder. Same decision Habs made with SW foot. No matter how badly some of you want to create an image of the Canucks managing things differently, it only works on those who have no clue about the reality of professional sports. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrago Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 19 hours ago, 250Integra said: Except that doesn't guarantee us anything other than slightly higher odds of getting a top three pick... One thing I will add is that coming in last may not guarantee what place you pick in the first round it does guarantee where you pick in the following rounds and that can still be huge getting the 32 pick is better than the 35 pick and so on. It really can make a difference. Also dropping from 1st overall to 4th is much better then 4th to 8th. 1 or 2 draft spots can make a huge difference in a teams future. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: That entire side of his body is going to be weaker besides his leg on that side. Thankfully he's a fully trained athletic and will be able to recover that muscle easier and faster than a normal person who isn't as active. It's not like he won't be able to use or exercise the arm for the full 6 months.He'll probably have to start with something like light exercise 2-3 months in and slowly building up to 'regular' workout on that arm at closer to the 5 month mark and then have that 6th month to go full throttle and hence be 'fully recovered' aka in game shape in 6 months. Edited March 15, 2018 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, The 5th Line said: What fiction? It's been bothering him since November..he couldn't let the rest of the league find out because be wouldn't of got his 4 mil per season. And I'm talking hockey here and I know you don't care but the canucks are a painfully bad team once again this year. Stop claiming I have no optimism in life, this is a hockey forum and the team it represents is trash right now. Also, stop acting like you have been there, done that because I'm not one of the sheep. I'm not buying it. The Canucks are a team going through a transition and no one with a sense of hockey insight has them pegged for more than 80 to 90 points if fully healthy and with this level of injury impact, all bets were off. Short of obvious injuries, no team tells the rest of the league (it is not up to the player) and it has nothing to do with his contract. You seem to think he someone doesn’t all team doctors near him or that he simply missed games earlier by his own choice and told Canucks not to bother examining him. Even in lesser pro leagues and in CHL the teams are 100% aware of the status of their own players. You imply otherwise which is false. Sheep away but fabricating fantasy injury cover ups is akin to some of the crap people were saying about Virtanen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, aGENT said: It's not like he won't be able to use or exercise the arm for the full 6 months.He'll probably have to start with something like light exercise 2-3 months in and slowly building up to 'regular' workout on that arm at closer to the 5 month mark and then have that 6th month to go full throttle and hence be 'fully recovered' aka in game shape in 6 months. That length of time sounds like labrum (or other side) surgery which will be a few months of imobility followed by increasing stretching etc. He can cardio away etc and nowadays the fixed shoulder is often as strong or stronger than prior dependent on nature of cumulative damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, aGENT said: It's not like he won't be able to use or exercise the arm for the full 6 months.He'll probably have to start with something like light exercise 2-3 months in and slowly building up to 'regular' workout on that arm at closer to the 5 month mark and then have that 6th month to go full throttle and hence be 'fully recovered' aka in game shape in 6 months. Not a Dr myself, but have been close to an injury my adult nephew sustained playing hockey.. played through the injury too long,. Had 4 bad labrum tears on his shoulder.. The Doc/Surgeon showed me the the before and after pictures the same hour after the surgery. Went from barley anything holding it together,. To a tight, well knitted artwork of real tendon and synthetic. Was told he would make a full recovery and be able to return to hockey in 6 months.. Was not allowed to do anything for 5weeks while initial healing allowed blood flow to do its wonders. Started Re-Hab on 6th week.. 5 months later was shoulder dumbbell pressing 4x10’s with 90lbs in each hand. Said his surgically repaired shoulder was tighter and stronger than his untouched shoulder. Returned to hockey in fantastic shape. Have a great recovery Eric! Maybe get that big Rusky 88 over to train with you through this, this Summer! Edited March 15, 2018 by SilentSam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 12:09 PM, Bang Bang Boogie said: Hope it won't be a nagging injury that will continue to bother him throughout his career, especially given his style of play. We still have yet to see what a fully healthy Gudbranson can do. He was playing his best hockey here in the first 6-8 weeks of the season -- composed, physical, mobile, and moving the puck. Very solid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: He was playing his best hockey here in the first 6-8 weeks of the season -- composed, physical, mobile, and moving the puck. Very solid. Should I worry, I have agreed with you twice in row. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, Rob_Zepp said: Should I worry, I have agreed with you twice in row. You be fine, sir... once you come to grips with the reality that it's time to turn that big heavy page and move on with the rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: You be fine, sir... once you come to grips with the reality that it's time to turn that big heavy page and move on with the rebuild LOL - you did it without even saying their names yet you still made the point. Well played, well played. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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