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19 hours ago, Fakename70 said:

No, I meant Tanev. Benning needs to upgrade the top-4 on the right side to someone who isn't invisible on offence. And, someone more physical opposite Edler for the #1 pairing would be great, too. I think Tanev's a prototypical 3rd pairing player at this stage of his career and doesn't belong in the top-4 for a team that plans to make the playoffs. He's solid, sure, but ultimately not really anything special compared to other top-4 RH defencemen in the conference. Again, key word: upgrade. There's enough young(er) bottom-4 depth to replace him. 

On what planet is Tanev a 3rd pairing Dman?  Sometimes when I read CDC I feel the need to get drunk. This is one of those moments. 

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19 hours ago, mll said:

Benning has already announced that Gudbranson would be playing with Hutton.  Even Hutton heard about it. 

 

Hutton just got his bodyguard. Must feel like he's invincible at this point. This will take his career to the next level. This trade not only got us a legit top 4 Dman who's a legit heavyweight, it also got us our puck moving defencemen in Hutton who is sure to leap into the next stage of his career. Killed two birds with one stone and all it took was a centre prospect who's future is as a winger and a second round pick. 

 

Bravo Benning!!

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Our very own Keith Seabrook pairing. YES. 

 

Hutton will gain 10 lbs and 2 inches with Gudsy as his partner. Also get more freedom to focus on offense. 

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6 hours ago, Harvey Spector said:

On what planet is Tanev a 3rd pairing Dman?  Sometimes when I read CDC I feel the need to get drunk. This is one of those moments. 

That would be planet Troll where Hutton and Tanev are 3rd pairing Dmen. But isn't it nice that the residents of that planet have a new section of this forum from which to share their wisdom with us?

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1 minute ago, WeneedLumme said:

That would be planet Troll where Hutton and Tanev are 3rd pairing Dmen. But isn't it nice that the residents of that planet have a new section of this forum from which to share their wisdom with us?

Haha. Seriously there should be an age verification log in for CDC like the porn sites. You should have to be at least 19 years of age to post here...

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4 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said:

Haha. Seriously there should be an age verification log in for CDC like the porn sites. You should have to be at least 19 years of age to post here...

...and have an IQ of at least 90. But of course the problem is that those verifications would rely on the poster telling the truth about his age and IQ.

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Hutton should be that much more of an offensive force with Git Gud focusing on defence. 

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10 hours ago, Harvey Spector said:

On what planet is Tanev a 3rd pairing Dman?  Sometimes when I read CDC I feel the need to get drunk. This is one of those moments. 

In that case, you probably think Baertschi and Horvat belong in the top-6, too. Not if they want to make the playoffs next season they don't. 

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21 hours ago, FrankieCorrado said:

I want what you're smoking. Actually maybe I don't....

Ok, but, don't be fool enough to believe that I'm the only one who feels this team is mediocre defensively, starting with its "#1 pairing". I can't see them going anywhere in the next 2 years without an upgrade. 

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3 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

That would be planet Troll where Hutton and Tanev are 3rd pairing Dmen. But isn't it nice that the residents of that planet have a new section of this forum from which to share their wisdom with us?

Wasn't Tanev on the top pair of the Team Canada WHC Gold medal team?  

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4 minutes ago, Fakename70 said:

In that case, you probably think Baertschi and Horvat belong in the top-6, too. Not if they want to make the playoffs next season they don't. 

Baer is not a top six forward on a playoff team.  I see him as a place holder, while our top prospects develop.  Bo is a top two centre for certain.  

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Baer is not a top six forward on a playoff team.  I see him as a place holder, while our top prospects develop.  Bo is a top two centre for certain.  

I need to see Baertschi continue to progress before I'm comfortable with him directly behind Daniel on the depth chart at LW. But, don't take that as an endorsement of Burrows, either. And, as much as Willie seems comfortable giving Horvat the responsibilities normally reserved for vets, specifically defensively, this team can be that much deeper with him centering the 3rd line --- alongside Baertschi --- if Benning can acquire a legitimate top-6 C for the 2nd. On the right side of age 30, preferably. Which, of course, brings me back to Tanev. Because, no way will the Canucks be able to afford Ladd AND add those 2 top-4 RH D's I keep going on about. 

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1 hour ago, Fakename70 said:

In that case, you probably think Baertschi and Horvat belong in the top-6, too. Not if they want to make the playoffs next season they don't. 

Horvat did better last year in his second year than Hank did in his 4th. Without Sutter he had to take on much more responsibility than he should have and as a result he suffered in the first half. However in the second half of the season he was lights out. I expect him to have a big year next year. And yes he WILL be a #2 centre in this league. Maybe as early as next year. If not the year after for sure. If you don't see that then you're blind. 

 

As for Baertschi same thing he started off slow and picked it up big time in the second half. I expect him to have a big year next year as well. Is he a legit top 6 forward?  Well on this team he is right now and that's all that counts. Once he progresses as planned he will be a top 6 forward period. He has tons of skill and already has a good 200' game, just like Bo. He will break out soon enough. 

 

As for the playoffs, we still have the Sedins and will most likely get another top player in free agency. With our defence solidified with Guds on board and with our solid 1-2 punch in net I do expect us to make the playoffs next year. We were a playoff team two years ago and last year because of all the injuries and amalgamating the new kids into the lineup we regressed.  But that won't happen again next year. We have more talent on the blue line, our kids are one year older and we have enough cap space to land a big fish in free agency. All that combined should lead us into the playoffs next year. 

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If Hutton gets to play with Gudbranson, they're going to be a monstrous defensive  pair. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

...and have an IQ of at least 90. But of course the problem is that those verifications would rely on the poster telling the truth about his age and IQ.

I don't think he would be smart enough to lie so its all good

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He seems like one of those people that just can't hate. Everyone seems to like him.

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20 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

That would be planet Troll where Hutton and Tanev are 3rd pairing Dmen. But isn't it nice that the residents of that planet have a new section of this forum from which to share their wisdom with us?

Oh, ok. I get it. CDC logic dictates that any dissident or unpopular opinion is equal to trolling.

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15 hours ago, Harvey Spector said:

Horvat did better last year in his second year than Hank did in his 4th. Without Sutter he had to take on much more responsibility than he should have and as a result he suffered in the first half. However in the second half of the season he was lights out. I expect him to have a big year next year. And yes he WILL be a #2 centre in this league. Maybe as early as next year. If not the year after for sure. If you don't see that then you're blind. 

 

As for Baertschi same thing he started off slow and picked it up big time in the second half. I expect him to have a big year next year as well. Is he a legit top 6 forward?  Well on this team he is right now and that's all that counts. Once he progresses as planned he will be a top 6 forward period. He has tons of skill and already has a good 200' game, just like Bo. He will break out soon enough. 

 

As for the playoffs, we still have the Sedins and will most likely get another top player in free agency. With our defence solidified with Guds on board and with our solid 1-2 punch in net I do expect us to make the playoffs next year. We were a playoff team two years ago and last year because of all the injuries and amalgamating the new kids into the lineup we regressed.  But that won't happen again next year. We have more talent on the blue line, our kids are one year older and we have enough cap space to land a big fish in free agency. All that combined should lead us into the playoffs next year. 

You're comparing Horvat to Henrik? You sure about that? One has nothing to do with the other. Sure, he's a lock for a top-6 spot sooner than later. But, RIGHT NOW the drop off on the depth chart at that position from 2 to 3 is too steep to have him at #2. Surely you don't mean to imply Sutter is better suited for #3 behind Horvat, do you? I'll assume you missed the bit where I said having Horvat centre the 3rd line (next to Baertschi) at this stage of his career could make the Canucks a deeper team, with the right veteran(s) at RW on the Sedin line and LW and C on the second. I know it's a lot to process, but, going with what they have RIGHT NOW I don't see as good enough to avoid another non-playoff season next season. And, I wouldn't even use Sutter as a centre anyway. Like I said, I know it's a lot. 

 

You mentioned the twins in your last paragraph. That's EXACTLY who I'm thinking of with my comments. I can't stand the thought of seeing them waste another year watching the playoffs on TV. I get and support the idea of turning it over to the young kids. But, not completely and not while 22 and 33 are still here. They're just not ready for that type of responsibility, sorry. And, surely we can't expect the Sedins to do any holding of hands and leading the youngsters around by the nose and show them how to be an NHL'r, right? The Canucks already tried that with Vrbata this season and got burned. Developing the pups in the bottom-6 among forwards and bottom 4 among defencemen while pushing the vets for playing time could make this a better team the next few seasons. Moving those pups up the depth chart too soon and having to RELY on them in expanded roles could lead to more of the regression you referenced. 

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2 hours ago, Fakename70 said:

You're comparing Horvat to Henrik? You sure about that? One has nothing to do with the other. Sure, he's a lock for a top-6 spot sooner than later. But, RIGHT NOW the drop off on the depth chart at that position from 2 to 3 is too steep to have him at #2. Surely you don't mean to imply Sutter is better suited for #3 behind Horvat, do you? I'll assume you missed the bit where I said having Horvat centre the 3rd line (next to Baertschi) at this stage of his career could make the Canucks a deeper team, with the right veteran(s) at RW on the Sedin line and LW and C on the second. I know it's a lot to process, but, going with what they have RIGHT NOW I don't see as good enough to avoid another non-playoff season next season. And, I wouldn't even use Sutter as a centre anyway. Like I said, I know it's a lot. 

 

You mentioned the twins in your last paragraph. That's EXACTLY who I'm thinking of with my comments. I can't stand the thought of seeing them waste another year watching the playoffs on TV. I get and support the idea of turning it over to the young kids. But, not completely and not while 22 and 33 are still here. They're just not ready for that type of responsibility, sorry. And, surely we can't expect the Sedins to do any holding of hands and leading the youngsters around by the nose and show them how to be an NHL'r, right? The Canucks already tried that with Vrbata this season and got burned. Developing the pups in the bottom-6 among forwards and bottom 4 among defencemen while pushing the vets for playing time could make this a better team the next few seasons. Moving those pups up the depth chart too soon and having to RELY on them in expanded roles could lead to more of the regression you referenced. 

I understand what you are saying. I envision something like this:

 

Sedin  Sedin  Eriksson

Baer   Horvat  Virtanen

Etem  Sutter   Hansen

 

If you want to play Sutter's line as the second line that's fine. I think a top 9 like that would allow us to compete for a playoff spot, especially with our back end solidified and our 1-2 punch in goal. The only question mark in that top 9 is Virtanen. Can he take the next step or will he end up in Utica?

 

As for Sutter he's never played wing in his life. He will be our 2-3 centre next year. Now if Benning wants to splash out more cash then you can add a Lucic or a Brouwer into that mix. However with Boeser coming up the following year I'd rather just go with the kids then signing another high priced UFA. The other option is to sign Brouwer instead of Eriksson to play with the twins as others have mentioned. I wouldn't be opposed to that. I just feel Eriksson overall would bring more goals to the table, especially on the power play. 

 

And if we need more toughness then I would suggest signing Matt Martin to play a 4th line bang and crash role. Would prefer that then to spend $6 million for Lucic. 

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On May 30, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Fakename70 said:

No, I meant Tanev. Benning needs to upgrade the top-4 on the right side to someone who isn't invisible on offence. And, someone more physical opposite Edler for the #1 pairing would be great, too. I think Tanev's a prototypical 3rd pairing player at this stage of his career and doesn't belong in the top-4 for a team that plans to make the playoffs. He's solid, sure, but ultimately not really anything special compared to other top-4 RH defencemen in the conference. Again, key word: upgrade. There's enough young(er) bottom-4 depth to replace him. 

I would be against trading Tanev for an upgrade at D, or a fantastic prospect.

 

  Shattenkirk is rumoured to be in play, both play the right side.  Shattenkirk is obviously better on offence, but Tanev is better at defence.  

 

There may be other possible targets, too bad Hamonic is no longer looking to move, a Tanev for Hamonic trade would have been good.  

 

Tanev does have some appeal to other teams, plays sound defence, popular in the dressing room and gets his partners out of trouble.  He also has a great contract and no ntc. We don't need to rush into anything and have no real reason to make a move unless a cant say no offer comes in, kinda like the Gudbranson deal.  

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