Warhippy Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 16 minutes ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: more likely Tkachuk as he is from arizona as well. Arizonas 1sts and both 2nds then for the 5th overall Git r dun GMJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Just now, Warhippy said: Arizonas 1sts and both 2nds then for the 5th overall Git r dun GMJB tkachuk will be gone at 4 though. wish it could happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 It be awesome if Canucks get this guy. Imagine we drafted him with our 24th instead of McCann. Even though he was drafted before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Ossi Vaananen said: Brutal not to stand by your pick. Sure the 2nd rounder is probably comparable to what Bleackley has done, but the compensation pick is not meant to be used this way. If there was a general disagreement between both parties or Bleackley wouldn't sign, then i'd say go for the pick, but choosing not to, in order to land a 2nd is just shady. I'm not a fan of this move. True, but loopholes go both ways. See recent players from College, choosing to go to Free Agency instead of the team that has invested in them through the draft and development camps. Is what it is, ultimately, the NHL is a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Jägermeister said: People are missing the fact that Arizona just recently traded for Bleackley in the Mikkel Boedker deal. This isn't the "whoops we messed up" fallback plan that some people seem to be thinking it is. They likely knew all along that they weren't going to sign him after they traded for him. Yep. Patrick White was traded to SJ, in exchange of Ehrhoff. SJ didn't end up signing White (a former 1st rounder), which led them to get a compensatory pick instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion Phaneuf Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Likely to fall into the later rounds of the draft if not selected at all. I would take a chance on him despite both Colorado and Arizona giving him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawksFan94 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Would be funny to see the 'Yotes select him in the later rounds of the draft (not sure if that would be allowed?) and basically receive a 2nd round pick as compensation for free. Obviously very slim chance it happens, but would be cool to see nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 He's probably still worth a 3rd/4th rounder - just not a 2nd. Safe bet to be a decent bottom-6 player. But not much top-6 upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicanbob Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 If he isn't re-drafted does that mean he is an unrestricted free agent free to sign with any team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I don't understand this. Was it something negotiated in the trade with Colorado, where if he didn't work out they'd get their 2nd round pick for compensation? Or, is it the league that's giving handouts for failed drafting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I hope this kid goes to a hockey mad market like Winnipeg or Montreal and turns into a top 6 forward and scores against the Yote's every game he plays against them. Loophole or no, shady move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saucypass Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Poor guy, really hope he gets a contract with somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 We'll see if he gets picked up in the draft again first. It seems like reasonable odds that someone does, even with a later round pick, so that'd be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 2 hours ago, Canorth said: I don't understand this. Was it something negotiated in the trade with Colorado, where if he didn't work out they'd get their 2nd round pick for compensation? Or, is it the league that's giving handouts for failed drafting? Any 1st rounder that is not signed, the team that has him gets a 2nd round pick as compensation. That's why San Jose traded us for Patrick White. He had no value as a player, but was essentially a 2nd round pick in waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, D-Money said: Any 1st rounder that is not signed, the team that has him gets a 2nd round pick as compensation. That's why San Jose traded us for Patrick White. He had no value as a player, but was essentially a 2nd round pick in waiting. So where does the 2nd round pick come from, there's only 30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 16 hours ago, HawksFan94 said: Would be funny to see the 'Yotes select him in the later rounds of the draft (not sure if that would be allowed?) and basically receive a 2nd round pick as compensation for free. Obviously very slim chance it happens, but would be cool to see nonetheless. Good question, but I'm sure that's not allowed. 5 hours ago, dominicanbob said: If he isn't re-drafted does that mean he is an unrestricted free agent free to sign with any team? Yup, as it'd be his final year of draft eligibility he'd become a UFA if undrafted. 4 hours ago, Canorth said: I don't understand this. Was it something negotiated in the trade with Colorado, where if he didn't work out they'd get their 2nd round pick for compensation? Or, is it the league that's giving handouts for failed drafting? It was covered pretty well earlier on, but it's a rule in place across the NHL where a team that fails to sign a 1st round pick gets compensation of a second round pick. No draft picks from outside the 1st round receive compensation, since obviously there'd be more marginal players. The White example is a good one, but then there was also the case for the Rangers a few years ago where their Russian prospect (forget his name) had a heart attack while playing in the KHL and died. Terrible situation, but the Rangers were protected for the loss of a prospect drafted in the 1st round they hadn't signed yet with a 2nd round pick. They would have much rather had the prospect obviously. And before anyone says (since it came up frequently when the example I mentioned happened), we couldn't receive compensation for Bourdon as we'd already signed him and he actually played NHL games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, Canorth said: So where does the 2nd round pick come from, there's only 30? It's added, as an extra pick. If said player was picked 20th overall, the team gets 50th, and the team that had 50th gets bumped to 51st. Compensatory picks are why there aren't just 210 picks every year. Last year we picked Tate Olson at 210th, but there was one more pick after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 Yup, extra pick. From the twitter link in the OP: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 13 minutes ago, D-Money said: It's added, as an extra pick. If said player was picked 20th overall, the team gets 50th, and the team that had 50th gets bumped to 51st. Compensatory picks are why there aren't just 210 picks every year. Last year we picked Tate Olson at 210th, but there was one more pick after him. It sounds like a very stupid rule. Colorado should not have picked a guy who couldn't skate in the first place, so Arizona shouldn't have been about to do this. There are a lot of weird things that occur in the NHL and this is just another to add to ones like Pronger getting paid by a team, while he's working for the league, and the trading of injured players, so teams can get to the Cap floor. It's stuff that makes the league appear second rate. If your first rounder doesn't work out to be good enough to get signed, then TOO BAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 And in the case of the Rangers example I mentioned? Is it still 'TOO BAD' then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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