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The Juolevi-Rathbone comparison is interesting, if only because the NCAA has proven in recent years to be a great springboard straight into the NHL, which is why I’m not so sure Rathbone needs seasoning in the AHL to make the jump to the big leagues.

 

I hope they give both players an equal opportunity to compete for a spot next year. 

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15 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/ben-kuzma-juolevis-jump-sends-canucks-roster-message-to-left-shot-blueliners?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1595887495

 

Seems the past few weeks the overall tone surrounding Olli has started to become far more optimistic than pessimistic.

 

Happy to hear Olli finally getting some good bounces his way. 

We're seeing what looks like a transformation because, like the article says, Juolevi has had injuries the last 2 years and hasn't been able to train properly.  This is the first camp in 2 years that he has arrived fully fit having been able to prepare and train properly.  It's great that he's back on our radar.

 

Future left side could be Hughes, Juolevi, Rathbone.   

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38 minutes ago, GoCanucks16 said:

Rathbone is more NHL ready than Juolevi.

From what I've read Rathbone is a gym freak and has some snarl to his game, it helps in the NHL

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7 hours ago, CanuckCup2022 said:

Rathbone is 1 year younger than Juolevi and has arguably already demonstrated he is a more developed and NHL ready D man than Juolevi.

 

It will be interesting to see which one pulls ahead.

 

Finally a good problem to have with our Canucks as we rarely have had a number of good D man prospects (or very young D) at the same time (Hughes, Rathbone, Juolevi).

I'm not sure, having pro experience definitely helps Juolevi I think. It'll be fun to see what both guys bring to training camp. 

 

It's a nice problem for sure, we definitely don't often have many great D prospects in the pool. 

 

BPA is the way to go I think, but at this year's draft if it's really close between picking one prospect or the other I'm hoping we pick D. Particularly because we picked nothing but forwards and a goaltender last year. Though we've done a pretty good job at bringing in guys like Rafferty and Teves to offset things a bit. I expect we'll give Jersey our first this season, and we're already without out second because of the Toffoli trade, I'm hoping JB finds a way to get us more picks. 

 

But back to Juolevi, it's nice to hear optimism and positive things regarding his game as of late. 

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Lots of good conversation on here about Juolevi.

 

And after watching Tor/Mon right now I am more excited than I thought I would be to get back into hockey in late July/August lol.

 

The NHL has done a great job with the covering over the lower bowl seats in the arena. I barely notice it.  Totally excited for the Canucks to play now!!!!

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Putting Hughes on the right side is a questionable choice. Years back the #1 D fro the Canucks was Dennis Kearns. They didn't have coverage for the Right side and moved Kearns to his off side  ( right) the result was they lost a quality LH defender and had a questionable RH defender, over all they lost. Kearns lasted with the experiment for a couple of games before they moved him back. On the other hand Lumme revelled playing his off side. It's an experiment

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On 7/28/2020 at 7:30 AM, GoCanucks16 said:

Rathbone is more NHL ready than Juolevi.

What would make you think that? Based off experience, Olli has played pro hockey in the AHL against men. Rathbone has only played against college kids. Based off experience alone Juolevi seems more NHL ready then Rathbone. Before his injury Juolevi was playing very well in the AHL.

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2020/21?

 

Edler - Myers

Hughes - Tanev (re-signed)

Juolevi - Severson*

Fantenberg

Benn

Rafferty

 

* by way of trade

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Honestly I haven't thought much of OJ since that Penticton camp years ago. (not impressed) But I'm glad he finally gets a legit opportunity to show what he can do. Still wait n see for me, but I hope he's hunting for bear when he's out there and shows a nice high compete level. 

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2 hours ago, shayster007 said:

What would make you think that? Based off experience, Olli has played pro hockey in the AHL against men. Rathbone has only played against college kids. Based off experience alone Juolevi seems more NHL ready then Rathbone. Before his injury Juolevi was playing very well in the AHL.

College players are still men. The players in Major Junior are kids. Woo was playing against kids for example. Rathbone was playing against men in college. Not as seasoned men as the AHL, but not kids.

 

Increasingly, more players have come from college and succeeded right away. Just among D-men: McAvoy, Hughes, Fox, Werenski, Makar are all young D from College with none or minimal time in the AHL

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43 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said:

College players are still men. The players in Major Junior are kids. Woo was playing against kids for example. Rathbone was playing against men in college. Not as seasoned men as the AHL, but not kids.

 

Increasingly, more players have come from college and succeeded right away. Just among D-men: McAvoy, Hughes, Fox, Werenski, Makar are all young D from College with none or minimal time in the AHL

Fair, young men. But as you said yourself, much less seasoned, and lower competition. Juolevi played in a men's league last year in Finland and a men's league in this year before his injury. I didn't have the chance to watch of Rathbone, so I'm curious to what makes him more NHL ready. My opinion would be, Olli is more likely to transition to the NHL game based off prior experience.

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On 7/28/2020 at 5:17 AM, CanuckCup2022 said:

Rathbone is 1 year younger than Juolevi and has arguably already demonstrated he is a more developed and NHL ready D man than Juolevi.

 

It will be interesting to see which one pulls ahead.

 

Finally a good problem to have with our Canucks as we rarely have had a number of good D man prospects (or very young D) at the same time (Hughes, Rathbone, Juolevi).

That's pretty debatable. Rathbone has skill, but has only played at the college level as his highest point. Juolevi has dealt with injuries, but brings his own skill and a reasonably solid defensive game - something Rathbone still has to work on to be successful in the NHL.

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2 hours ago, Where's Wellwood said:

College players are still men. The players in Major Junior are kids. Woo was playing against kids for example. Rathbone was playing against men in college. Not as seasoned men as the AHL, but not kids.

 

Increasingly, more players have come from college and succeeded right away. Just among D-men: McAvoy, Hughes, Fox, Werenski, Makar are all young D from College with none or minimal time in the AHL

We aren't talking about Woo and junior, we're comparing to Juolevi and the AHL. College may be men, but it's a lower level of competition with more rest and training. AHL is arguably the second best league in the world (with the KHL being the main competition). How Rathbone does against pro competition is yet to be seen. Juolevi was quietly putting up a solid season this year in the pros.

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4 minutes ago, elvis15 said:

We aren't talking about Woo and junior, we're comparing to Juolevi and the AHL. College may be men, but it's a lower level of competition with more rest and training. AHL is arguably the second best league in the world (with the KHL being the main competition). How Rathbone does against pro competition is yet to be seen. Juolevi was quietly putting up a solid season this year in the pros.

I was using Woo as an example of a player who is playing against kids. I'd say Rathbone is between Juolevi and Woo in terms of readiness based on the competition they played against.

But again, several college D-men have recently went straight to the NHL and rocked it. So we never know.

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15 hours ago, shayster007 said:

What would make you think that? Based off experience, Olli has played pro hockey in the AHL against men. Rathbone has only played against college kids. Based off experience alone Juolevi seems more NHL ready then Rathbone. Before his injury Juolevi was playing very well in the AHL.

That's why we don't base things on experience alone. Rathbone is easily the more complete player at this point in time, and just that he was playing college hockey doesn't mean he's not able to play NHL hockey. Juolevi wasn't doing as well in the AHL as you think he was and is still very much a project.

 

I think both have a chance of making the team next year but give the edge to Rathbone if it's one of the other. I don't think people get just how good Rathbone actually is, and an age difference and differences in competition doesn't mean he's less developed.

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