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2 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

I know, but thought I could add some levity... the board is bored waiting for draft day.  

Waiting for draft day is better than post draft day. I'm dreading the summer boards lol

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21 minutes ago, cyoung said:

Waiting for draft day is better than post draft day. I'm dreading the summer boards lol

I’m not. With the success and promises of the picks JB has made only the diehard troll will have much to say.  Even if JB goes off the board.  

 

We know that he will have his guy in his range that he feels is the right pick. 

 

We also know that he will activitly seek to trade down even one pick if he is positive that his guy will still be there (Talks with McPhee last draft day). 

 

So he has earned the benefit of the doubt for most of us. Now post FA day, that’s a whole different deal. That’s when I plan and going radio silent and let the trolls have their fun. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Agree.  

 

We should be targeting a high valued RHD this FA season. One other guy that I would be more inclined to spend some serrious cap on would be John Carlson. There is no prospect currently in the system that can take a top 4 RHD spot.  Anyone we draft at 7 should be at least 2 to 3 years away from playing regular minutes, longer to become a solid top pairing player. 

From another thread but applicable here IMO.

 

22 hours ago, aGENT said:

I prefer we stay away from both of them and the term (and $ to a lesser extent) they'll command. If we're going to blow a wad of cash on a UFA D with 6+ years of term, I far prefer we wait until next year when there's a bumper crop of top 4 D pending UFA AND we're a year further along in our rebuild to make better use of that 6 year term, not wasting it on so many rebuilding years.

 

Stick to short term, bridge veterans. Replace Dorsett with Roussel, sign one of Richardson, Beagle etc as a depth C and/or look at say Thornton or a Bozak or Riley Nash as a short term, stop gap C to shelter Pettersson for a couple years or trade for a Jenner or similar.

 

If we can package some of our middling D 'plus' for an upgrade on a young D (hence things like Hanifin rumours), by all means. If we can get value for Tanev in trade and sign a stop gap UFA to 'replace' him with a warm body ...sure. 

 

Otherwise, we're likely drafting a solid D prospect with our 1st this year, added to OJ, Tryamkin coming back in a couple years, a UFA next summer and hopefully a decent chance one of Brisebois, Chatfield, Rathbone etc 'surprising' over the next few years, Pouliot and Stecher still developing and Gudbranson around for a few more years (and IMO, a likely short term Edler re-sign)... The D will slowly improve over the next few years.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

We should be targeting a high valued RHD this FA season. One other guy that I would be more inclined to spend some serrious cap on would be John Carlson.

I really love Carlson.  In simple physics, his combination of skills helps our team the most,  I have a couple of fears that scare me away;

 

> His priority a contending team, a US based one, Eastern Seaboard. Or like many, someplace warm, tax free. So we would have to seriously overpay?

> Really we just improve too much, skip one or two years of further draft yields that absolutely cement the rebuild. When Carlson does not bump us to contenders now. 

 

Some are worried about paying him after 1 big year. He's always been solid but jumped this year. That's not my worry. They lost Schultz, Alzner, Shattenkirk, threw a lot of the responsibility at him. And Washington is better?

 

I prefer either a short term, or medium dollar guy. But thoroughly understand why you like Carlson. 

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21 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

I can tell you don't get it. That there is a different argument that is.

 

Hutton IMO, he scored 22 points (edit 24 points) just a couple years ago. Has NHL speed, and he's 6'2''. I would not be giving up on him, nor selling low. My own opinion, prediction is he will rebound. And that Juolevi will play part or most of the season in the NHL. To me that's a good depth player to have. 

 

He also might beat Juolevi for a roster spot? I cannot predict? He was a Hobey Baker finalist. It is possible! I can add what I would try...   (but really, how close will I be?)

 

 

I would be signing a D man, just one, who was significantly better than MDZ.  Our left is ''full,'' but with significant questions. And prospects like Juolevi that should start challenging existing guys. Maybe not right away & more than one guy. (Edler, Juolevi, MDZ, Pouliot, Hutton, Sautner is an ok but not high upside guy, Brisbois, McEneny, Chatfield). Our current NHL RHD (Tanev, Stecher, Guddy, Biega) depth is better? But we are at near ground zero for prospects, Rathbone, who I like, is years away. Juolevi is waiver exempt. I have no quims assigning him back to Europe, or the AHL to develop further. Or a spot of he deserves it. And I would be gearing up to trade Edler & MDZ next deadline. It will bring better assets than selling our fringe players? But we would have to wait to secure them.

 

If I had a choice? That UFA would be a righty with puck skills. We need lots of things, but speed and some puck skills, a PP QB are highest on the list.  But just an excellent two way D man, if that is what the market allowed? And a lefty if that's what's available? Because ultimately I am going to move on from MDZ and Edler. I am happy to spend money, not going term unless someone is at the min UFA age. And not swinging for the fence on Carlson. Plus I draft Dobson or Boqvist, whichever available.

 

> Mike Green, overpay for 2 years, two x $7.3.  

> Calvin De Haan, 5 x $5.something low or mid.

 

Those would be my two keys efforts?  Would kick the tires on Sbisa, Johnny Moore or Ian Cole.  And I would also look at a secondary market for a better version of Wiercioch. Sustr, Jerabek, bring back Hamhuis at a lower rate.  If we signed a De Haan, maybe I do trade a Hutton now for a depth pick? But if no takers, no takers, including on a UFA...

 

De Haan Stecher                               Edler Green

Edler Tanev                                       Juolevi Tanev

MDZ Gudbrandson                            Pouliot Gudbrandosn

Pouliot Stecher   Biega/Hutton??       MDZ Stecher   Biega/Hutton

 

One of Pouliot, Hutton or Biega could be a casualty, on waivers. But they also may pass, serve in Utica? One guy at least will be injured. Call up Juolevi as soon as someone injured. We run, which has proven to be required, 10 to 12 deep in guys who could play games, adding McEneny, Sautner & Chatfield as possible call ups. 

  

I think there is a strong chance we get a 1st or another Goldobin, worst case, for Edler at the deadline. And another Leipsic.  Just another Leipsic for MDZ.

I'd be down with Green. If we signed him I'd probably buy his jersey.

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1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said:

I really love Carlson.  In simple physics, his combination of skills helps our team the most,  I have a couple of fears that scare me away;

 

> His priority a contending team, a US based one, Eastern Seaboard. Or like many, someplace warm, tax free. So we would have to seriously overpay?

> Really we just improve too much, skip one or two years of further draft yields that absolutely cement the rebuild. When Carlson does not bump us to contenders now. 

 

Some are worried about paying him after 1 big year. He's always been solid but jumped this year. That's not my worry. They lost Schultz, Alzner, Shattenkirk, threw a lot of the responsibility at him. And Washington is better?

 

I prefer either a short term, or medium dollar guy. But thoroughly understand why you like Carlson. 

IMO it's perfectly ok to like Carlson the player and not remotely want the Canucks to sign him. Not where this team currently is in it's rebuild cycle anyway.

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18 hours ago, aGENT said:

From another thread but applicable here IMO.

 

 

Agent,

 

 

Can you list some of the D men hitting FA next year.  I know that Doughty, Karlsson and OEL are up, but like Stamkos and other top talent, I don’t see those guys making it to FA.  

 

Not saying that they can’t be targets, but if anything I see a sign and trade deal involving a huge amount of assets going the other way. 

 

I wouldnt think that we would be in the mix unless JB suddenly changes course and gives up some significant youth to aquire one of those three. 

 

That would be a mistake IMO. The only reason not to improve our defence with readily available cap space this year is to go all in for Hughes.  I don’t see that happening.  If we were to deliberately rank, why not for Mathews when it was easier?

 

I would rather get a guy like John Carlson, built for the western conference and while one notch below the offence driven guys listed, he can still put up a lot of points.  We have the cash, won’t have to give up any assets and have a clear need at defence now. 

 

His cap hit will be a lot less than the big three, leaving money to build depth.  He is tougher than most d men, plays a lot of games and has clearly taken his game to another level in the past two years. 

 

Add him to out our group, let OJ get adjusted and get Trymakin back along with draft the best d man available with our two first picks this year and I think we would have a top d corps in the next two years. 

 

This move also makes Tanev and Edler easier to move if need be in the next few years or even this season.  The workload on both guys would be greatly reduced allowing them to hopefully play full seasons and boosting their trade value. 

 

My two cents.  

 

 

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13 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

I really love Carlson.  In simple physics, his combination of skills helps our team the most,  I have a couple of fears that scare me away;

 

> His priority a contending team, a US based one, Eastern Seaboard. Or like many, someplace warm, tax free. So we would have to seriously overpay?

> Really we just improve too much, skip one or two years of further draft yields that absolutely cement the rebuild. When Carlson does not bump us to contenders now. 

 

Some are worried about paying him after 1 big year. He's always been solid but jumped this year. That's not my worry. They lost Schultz, Alzner, Shattenkirk, threw a lot of the responsibility at him. And Washington is better?

 

I prefer either a short term, or medium dollar guy. But thoroughly understand why you like Carlson. 

Valid concerns. 

 

If the deal isnt there because Carlson doesn’t want to move to Vancouver then it isn’t there. The freedom to choose is the players right during FA. 

 

Green is a nice runner up guy and so is De Haan. I would think teams are likely to go hard after Green (Deadmonton for sure) so the cap hit will still be high, but the term will likely be lower. 

 

Have no no idea what it would

take to land De Haan. Haven’t followed him closely but understand that he can play a top 4 role.  

 

The thing is that landing any top FA top pairing D man is going to require a lot of cash. We don’t really have the inside track either by connections or location to any of the top d men for this year or next year.

 

Overpayment will be required in any signing with the current state of our team and our travel schedule. Not nearly impossible but harder than others. Over paying for Carlson this season or overpaying next year, we will still over pay. 

 

With nothing to loose, why not make a play this year for Carlson?  If he says no interest costs us nothing. If went do land him for 6.5 to 7.5 for term, he has shown that he can play the hard minutes we really need. 

 

IMO we won’t get a Norris guy unless we draft him.  It’s not really likely that Doughty OEL or EK land in Vancouver without giving up a ton of assets. The same issues that could impact signing Carlson are still going to be there for anyone.  Travel, taxes and the current state of the team. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Agent,

 

 

Can you list some of the D men hitting FA next year.  I know that Doughty, Karlsson and OEL are up, but like Stamkos and other top talent, I don’t see those guys making it to FA.  

 

Not saying that they can’t be targets, but if anything I see a sign and trade deal involving a huge amount of assets going the other way. 

 

I wouldnt think that we would be in the mix unless JB suddenly changes course and gives up some significant youth to aquire one of those three. 

 

That would be a mistake IMO. The only reason not to improve our defence with readily available cap space this year is to go all in for Hughes.  I don’t see that happening.  If we were to deliberately rank, why not for Mathews when it was easier?

 

I would rather get a guy like John Carlson, built for the western conference and while one notch below the offence driven guys listed, he can still put up a lot of points.  We have the cash, won’t have to give up any assets and have a clear need at defence now. 

 

His cap hit will be a lot less than the big three, leaving money to build depth.  He is tougher than most d men, plays a lot of games and has clearly taken his game to another level in the past two years. 

 

Add him to out our group, let OJ get adjusted and get Trymakin back along with draft the best d man available with our two first picks this year and I think we would have a top d corps in the next two years. 

 

This move also makes Tanev and Edler easier to move if need be in the next few years or even this season.  The workload on both guys would be greatly reduced allowing them to hopefully play full seasons and boosting their trade value. 

 

My two cents.  

 

 

EmW

Doughty, Karlsson, OEL, McDonagh, Myers, Schmidt, Gardiner, Ellis...to name a few. (Though there's also some solid slightly older guys, including our very own Edler).

 

Sure, some, heck even most of those guys probably don't make it to UFA. But 1/4-1/2 of them is not out of the realm of possibility. And given where both Karlsson and Doughty's teams are and their comments about expecting to get paid what they're worth, I'd not be remotely surprised to see both of them possibly telling their respective teams to pound sand on a trade and sign and listen to all offers after going to free agency. Their clubs might not be able to deal them for more than rentals.

 

And nobody is suggesting trading assets for them (or at least certainly nothing of consequence).

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5 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Agent,

 

 

Can you list some of the D men hitting FA next year.  I know that Doughty, Karlsson and OEL are up, but like Stamkos and other top talent, I don’t see those guys making it to FA.  

 

Not saying that they can’t be targets, but if anything I see a sign and trade deal involving a huge amount of assets going the other way. 

 

I wouldnt think that we would be in the mix unless JB suddenly changes course and gives up some significant youth to aquire one of those three. 

 

That would be a mistake IMO. The only reason not to improve our defence with readily available cap space this year is to go all in for Hughes.  I don’t see that happening.  If we were to deliberately rank, why not for Mathews when it was easier?

 

I would rather get a guy like John Carlson, built for the western conference and while one notch below the offence driven guys listed, he can still put up a lot of points.  We have the cash, won’t have to give up any assets and have a clear need at defence now. 

 

His cap hit will be a lot less than the big three, leaving money to build depth.  He is tougher than most d men, plays a lot of games and has clearly taken his game to another level in the past two years. 

 

Add him to out our group, let OJ get adjusted and get Trymakin back along with draft the best d man available with our two first picks this year and I think we would have a top d corps in the next two years. 

 

This move also makes Tanev and Edler easier to move if need be in the next few years or even this season.  The workload on both guys would be greatly reduced allowing them to hopefully play full seasons and boosting their trade value. 

 

My two cents.  

 

 

EmW

 

Reports have Carlson asking for 8-9 million per on a long term deal. I don't see how that's helpful, even if he is one of the better power play QB's/offensive specialists. 

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When Doughty or Karlsson sign the top tier for D will be set at somewhere around $10M.  Currently Subban is 9 and Burns is 8. 

This will put the second tier of D starting to settle in that $8M range. 

I think Carlson will come a little short of that but may get really close. 

Given current salries in the league that isn't terribly unreasonable. 

He is worth a lot more than $2M more than Eriksson or Lucic.

Don't think we should be in a position to be making these offers at this point in the rebuild.  Would give us a big building block though.  Edler is off the books next year.

Really have no idea what to expect over the next few weeks.  Benning could gut the vet core of the team that was built around the Sedins, or trade the 7th pick,  He may stand pat and do nothing at all.  He could go after the big names or keep some cap space and play the kids.  Nothing would surprise me at this point.

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17 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

When Doughty or Karlsson sign the top tier for D will be set at somewhere around $10M.  Currently Subban is 9 and Burns is 8. 

This will put the second tier of D starting to settle in that $8M range. 

I think Carlson will come a little short of that but may get really close. 

Given current salries in the league that isn't terribly unreasonable. 

He is worth a lot more than $2M more than Eriksson or Lucic.

Don't think we should be in a position to be making these offers at this point in the rebuild.  Would give us a big building block though.  Edler is off the books next year.

Really have no idea what to expect over the next few weeks.  Benning could gut the vet core of the team that was built around the Sedins, or trade the 7th pick,  He may stand pat and do nothing at all.  He could go after the big names or keep some cap space and play the kids.  Nothing would surprise me at this point.

I highly doubt he trades the 7th pick unless it’s for a slightly older promising prospect like Hanifin. I read an article the other day about rumours of Jim using the pick as trade bait. The article also highlighted all of Bennings mistakes and not his achievements in his time here. People should have faith as since his first year he’s made very good decisions besides the Loui contract. Even that contract doesn’t look as bad considering we have tons of space. Back to the thread though I’m sure Joulevi is going to play lots of NHL games this year and we’re going to be competing for the 1st pick again.

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21 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

When Doughty or Karlsson sign the top tier for D will be set at somewhere around $10M.  Currently Subban is 9 and Burns is 8. 

This will put the second tier of D starting to settle in that $8M range. 

I think Carlson will come a little short of that but may get really close. 

Given current salries in the league that isn't terribly unreasonable. 

He is worth a lot more than $2M more than Eriksson or Lucic.

Don't think we should be in a position to be making these offers at this point in the rebuild.  Would give us a big building block though.  Edler is off the books next year.

Really have no idea what to expect over the next few weeks.  Benning could gut the vet core of the team that was built around the Sedins, or trade the 7th pick,  He may stand pat and do nothing at all.  He could go after the big names or keep some cap space and play the kids.  Nothing would surprise me at this point.

Maybe in July 2019 we sign OEL as a UFA?  He would be cheaper than EK or Doughty.  I heard something about Doughty getting 12/

 

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37 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Maybe in July 2019 we sign OEL as a UFA?  He would be cheaper than EK or Doughty.  I heard something about Doughty getting 12/

 

It all depends where they sign

 

in LA. 12million is 6million take home after state taxes

 

In Vegas 12million is 12million !

 

thats why teams with higher tax brackets always will pay more !

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Maybe in July 2019 we sign OEL as a UFA?  He would be cheaper than EK or Doughty.  I heard something about Doughty getting 12/

 

Hasn't the word lately been that OEL is going to sign an 8 year deal with the coyotes on July 1st? 

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2 hours ago, The Great 8 said:

I highly doubt he trades the 7th pick unless it’s for a slightly older promising prospect like Hanifin. I read an article the other day about rumours of Jim using the pick as trade bait. The article also highlighted all of Bennings mistakes and not his achievements in his time here. People should have faith as since his first year he’s made very good decisions besides the Loui contract. Even that contract doesn’t look as bad considering we have tons of space. Back to the thread though I’m sure Joulevi is going to play lots of NHL games this year and we’re going to be competing for the 1st pick again.

I would agree with all of that.  I have a feeling if the pic does get moved, which is unlikely, it will be on the floor if the guy he wants is gone.  Yes, I think we are likely at the front of the line for the first pic next year though again who knows what the team will look like in three weeks much less October.

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Maybe in July 2019 we sign OEL as a UFA?  He would be cheaper than EK or Doughty.  I heard something about Doughty getting 12/

 

Well big assumption number one is he gets to UFA. 

History tells us he will resign if he is happy losing in the desert or get traded and likely signed. 

These guys rarely get to UFA. 

Big assumption number 2 is he would want to come here.

If he wants to leave the desert it would presumably be to go to a winning franchise. 

Do you really think that will be us next year?

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