Olli Juolevi | #48 | D

[THINKER]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Looking back, the context needed is how BAD many of those teams were that they gave almost pure rookies top 4 minutes, or how stacked they were that they could play and shelter those kids in top 4 roles.

 

Juolevi is FAR from a write off as EVERY hockey body that has worked with him says.  But what do we know, only the Euro coaches, Finnish WJC coaches, AHL coaches, London Knights etc all say he's got it.  But you're right.  D+3 instant gratfication I want my shiny toy or else he's a bust mentality has sunk it's teeth in to Vancouver again.

 

Like it or not, many top 10 picks miss.  Go through your parameters and list ALL of the top 10 players chosen since 2012 that have been utter misses or potential misses.

 

Juolevi, while injured and concerning due to it will be fine.

 

Where did I say I’m writing him off? I’m saying this is how he’s trending. His development certainly can’t be classified as anything but disappointing. 

 

Also, to touch on your first point: the Canucks have the worst defense in the league over the last 3 years. Let’s not pretend like our defense is too good for him to crack if he were a good prospect.

[Bure_Pavel]

1 hour ago, THINKER said:

 

Actually I think Pouliot or David Rundblad is a good comparison for what Juolevi has become.  Defensively he's not very good and hasn't developed at all since his rookie season.  Offensively, quite underwhelming.  Outside of his prowess on the PP, there isn't a whole lot there.  

 

At this point, in his D+3 season, I would say he's trending closer to being a bottom pair PP specialist than he is a solid 2-way top 4 defenseman.  An awful pick at 5.

Not comparable in the least. Clearly trolling. 

[krutovsdonut]

1 hour ago, THINKER said:

 

Actually I think Pouliot or David Rundblad is a good comparison for what Juolevi has become.  Defensively he's not very good and hasn't developed at all since his rookie season.  Offensively, quite underwhelming.  Outside of his prowess on the PP, there isn't a whole lot there.  

 

At this point, in his D+3 season, I would say he's trending closer to being a bottom pair PP specialist than he is a solid 2-way top 4 defenseman.  An awful pick at 5.

hi ms.  very modest username there.  why would you not use your regular username over here?

 

also, nice link in the sigline.  that's the most hfboards canuck subforum move ever.  spending money in the real world trying to get a guy fired over a passtime?    yikes. 

 

 

[krutovsdonut]

38 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Not comparable in the least. Clearly trolling. 

if it is ms from hfboards, then he's serious.  he's made the rundblad comparison numerous times before.     

[The Great Canucks]

2 hours ago, GritGrinder said:

Oh no...don't bring up facts or stats to the CDC regulars. They can't handle that, they don't just have Canuck coloured glasses they have Canuck coloured contact lenses and if you point out facts or stats they start spinning and back pedaling and will ultimately drop generic nonsense like "he's developing fine"...

Neither of you would know a fact if it bit you on the ass.

[MoneypuckOverlord]

37 minutes ago, krutovsdonut said:

if it is ms from hfboards, then he's serious.  he's made the rundblad comparison numerous times before.     

That moron has said many things that are not accurate.  Like all those depressed mofos that hang around there. 

[ohmy]

2 hours ago, THINKER said:

 

Actually those are facts:

 

Heiskanen

Sergachev

(throw in Chychrun and McAvoy too if you want, though they were outside the top 10)

Hanifin

Provorov

Werenski

Ekblad

Jones

Ristolainen

Murray

Rielly

Lindholm

Dumba

Trouba

 

Those who didn't:

Fleury

Nurse

Morin (drafted 11th though)

Reinhart

Pouliot

Koekkoek

 

This is going back to the 2012 draft.  

 

Those who made it by their D+2 seasons became successful.  Those who didn't, mostly aren't.  Nurse being the only one who seems okay, though I'm not sure I call him a top 4 on a good team.

 

Draft position means nothing. Where they end up as players at 22 or 23 will most likely determine the player they will be. Theres a lot of defensemen in the NHL that didnt make any tangible impact on there team until they were 21. The only thing im worried about is Ollis injuries. Anyone writing this kid off belongs in the story "One flew over the cuckoos nest" as its way to early for that kind of nonsense. However if he doesn't pan out by 22 or 23 I will gladly admit I was wrong but my belief is I wont be the one needing to do that. 

[THINKER]

52 minutes ago, ohmy said:

Draft position means nothing. Where they end up as players at 22 or 23 will most likely determine the player they will be. Theres a lot of defensemen in the NHL that didnt make any tangible impact on there team until they were 21. The only thing im worried about is Ollis injuries. Anyone writing this kid off belongs in the story "One flew over the cuckoos nest" as its way to early for that kind of nonsense. However if he doesn't pan out by 22 or 23 I will gladly admit I was wrong but my belief is I wont be the one needing to do that. 

No one is writing him off. I’m simply saying he isn’t tracking well. And if you’re being honest about this discussion that’s not something you can really disagree with.

[krutovsdonut]

33 minutes ago, THINKER said:

No one is writing him off. I’m simply saying he isn’t tracking well. And if you’re being honest about this discussion that’s not something you can really disagree with.

comparing him to rundblad is not writing him off?

 

huh?

[MoneypuckOverlord]

3 minutes ago, krutovsdonut said:

comparing him to rundblad is not writing him off?

 

huh?

don't even bother.   

 

Duchebag so called Canuck fans from hfboards.com

 

"We are lucky to even get a 4th round pick for Virtanen! what a horrible pick"

 

so your calling him a bust?

 

"no one's calling him a bust."  

 

It's like saying I didn't say to a (fat girl) she was fat, all i said was she should eat less and do more exercise.   Stop putting words in my mouth.

 

 I don't think he is MS, but it could be any of those random members there.  outright disgraceful.  He fits right in.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2018 by MoneypuckOverlord

[ohmy]

1 hour ago, THINKER said:

No one is writing him off. I’m simply saying he isn’t tracking well. And if you’re being honest about this discussion that’s not something you can really disagree with.

Well I guess if you mean not tracking well because he hasn't played a game yet in the NHL then yes you are right. He has succeeded everywhere he has been up to date. There are some deficiencies but I think his hockey iq is so high I dont see how he wont succeed.

[THINKER]

5 minutes ago, ohmy said:

Well I guess if you mean not tracking well because he hasn't played a game yet in the NHL then yes you are right. He has succeeded everywhere he has been up to date. There are some deficiencies but I think his hockey iq is so high I dont see how he wont succeed.

He's not tracking well because his development hasn't gone well.  Offensively, outside of on the PP he's not very good, and defensively he's still a mess.  

[THINKER]

1 hour ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

don't even bother.   

 

Duchebag so called Canuck fans from hfboards.com

 

"We are lucky to even get a 4th round pick for Virtanen! what a horrible pick"

 

so your calling him a bust?

 

"no one's calling him a bust."  

 

It's like saying I didn't say to a (fat girl) she was fat, all i said was she should eat less and do more exercise.   Stop putting words in my mouth.

 

 I don't think he is MS, but it could be any of those random members there.  outright disgraceful.  He fits right in.

 

 

You seem upset that someone is shedding reality on your pro Canucks fantasy.  Here's a tip:  not everything works out.  

[MoneypuckOverlord]

1 minute ago, THINKER said:

You seem upset that someone is shedding reality on your pro Canucks fantasy.  Here's a tip:  not everything works out.   

ohhhh really? I never knew that!  thanks man!  I will keep that in mind!

 

here's a tip for you.

 

just because he's 21 and no in the NHL doesn't mean he won't be in the NHL in the future.

 

and you will say I didn't say he will never be in the NHL, I just said he's not trending well blah blah blah predictable, hfboards.com is that way, see ya later.

[THINKER]

2 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

ohhhh really? I never knew that!  thanks man!  I will keep that in mind!

 

here's a tip for you.

 

just because he's 21 and no in the NHL doesn't mean he won't be in the NHL in the future.

 

and you will say I didn't say he will never be in the NHL, I just said he's not trending well blah blah blah predictable, hfboards.com is that way, see ya later.

No, I'm saying because he's in his Draft +3 season and still has to be sheltered because he's not good defensively and doesn't put up much offense outside of the PP that he's not tracking well.  

 

But I get it.  You don't like people who shed reality on your fantasy.  It's okay to not care about the facts and just hope everything works out.  Just don't get upset at those who discuss reality.  

[MoneypuckOverlord]

1 minute ago, THINKER said:

No, I'm saying because he's in his Draft +3 season and still has to be sheltered because he's not good defensively and doesn't put up much offense outside of the PP that he's not tracking well.  

 

But I get it.  You don't like people who shed reality on your fantasy.  It's okay to not care about the facts and just hope everything works out.  Just don't get upset at those who discuss reality.  

Y2kCanucks , take some time and do some research.  For defencemens a chunk of their points do come off the power play. 

[THINKER]

5 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

Y2kCanucks , take some time and do some research.  For defencemens a chunk of their points do come off the power play. 

Some, not 90% of their point totals like Juolevi.  Jordan Subban put up better even strength offense than Juolevi in his rookie AHL season.

[ohmy]

1 hour ago, THINKER said:

He's not tracking well because his development hasn't gone well.  Offensively, outside of on the PP he's not very good, and defensively he's still a mess.  

Nah man I tried to be good with you but your proven to be a troll. Defensive lapses yes but a mess? Thats a joke to even say that.  You clearly don't watch any of the games. He's quite intelligent offensively and makes smart plays and doesn't take unnecessary risks. Thats why his powerplay totals are very good, he lets his offensive prowess go on the attack. This not very good offense and a mess defensively only makes you look like a clown. Go learn about the game, doesn't seem your much of a THINKER upstairs.  

[ohmy]

1 hour ago, THINKER said:

Some, not 90% of their point totals like Juolevi.  Jordan Subban put up better even strength offense than Juolevi in his rookie AHL season.

Just so you know 61.5% of his points have been scored on the powerplay so your 90% is fake. Troll harder.

[THINKER]

25 minutes ago, ohmy said:

Nah man I tried to be good with you but your proven to be a troll. Defensive lapses yes but a mess? Thats a joke to even say that.  You clearly don't watch any of the games. He's quite intelligent offensively and makes smart plays and doesn't take unnecessary risks. Thats why his powerplay totals are very good, he lets his offensive prowess go on the attack. This not very good offense and a mess defensively only makes you look like a clown. Go learn about the game, doesn't seem your much of a THINKER upstairs.  

I have watched the games.  I do so without my homer glasses on.  Funny how you think it's trolling just to have an educated opinion on the subject matter.