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32 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I countered that part stating that Tkachuk would come in and prove more than Vietnamese or McCann ever did and that he was ready. JB would have no choice despite Jared and Jake. 
 

I doubt we get Petey if we drafted Tkachuk. No way he gets past the Rangers. 
 

Yeah it’s meaningless and harder to predict. Hence why we should be happy with how things turned out. Likely could of been a lot worse right now. 

 

 

Or it likely could be a lot better.

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Just now, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Or it likely could be a lot better.

Unlikely since we’d be a better team like I stated. Better team = higher pick.  I am basing off of the higher probability. 
 

Could win lotto though but we probably don’t draft Petey with a top 3 pick. 

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25 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Unlikely since we’d be a better team like I stated. Better team = higher pick.  I am basing off of the higher probability. 
 

Could win lotto though but we probably don’t draft Petey with a top 3 pick. 

In a weird way the hockey gods did help us out that year by putting us in a position to take Pettersson. Watching the mic’d up for that draft year Benning says “if the top 3 go like we think” and then talks of trading down and points out Pettersson.

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31 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Unlikely since we’d be a better team like I stated. Better team = higher pick.  I am basing off of the higher probability. 
 

Could win lotto though but we probably don’t draft Petey with a top 3 pick. 

 

Did you not read my other posts? If were better then Arizona would have to be worse, and would therefore have a top 5 pick since Vegas' pick didn't depend on their season that year. If Arizona had a top 5 pick, they likely wouldn't have traded it to the Rangers (the only team Benning thought might take him) and therefore the Canucks still get Pettersson.

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18 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Did you not read my other posts? If were better then Arizona would have to be worse, and would therefore have a top 5 pick since Vegas' pick didn't depend on their season that year. If Arizona had a top 5 pick, they likely wouldn't have traded it to the Rangers (the only team Benning thought might take him) and therefore the Canucks still get Pettersson.

 We add a top 6 PWF that could move us a number of spots. 50 point player likely could net ya 5-10 more wins. Could likely end up drafting outside top 10. 
 

Rangers would of have to sweeten the deal but they could of definitely got it done.  If not with them then someone else in the top 10 if we were outside easy. Someone else could also draft him too.
 

So it is unlikely we get Petey if we had Tkachuk. Unfortunate as it is. 
 

We could of been a lot worse off though. Boston could have 3 of Barzal, Boeser, Aho or Chabot. Just right after they drafted Pasternak the year prior. Probably would of beaten the Blues if they did. 

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Changing the subject a bit here, but here’s my take on Juolevi. Our defence still needs work but it’s much better this year. It’s a good sign that he’s not in the lineup yet. Previous years he would have been Put in much sooner because we had little depth and players had to be thrown in. This is a good thing. But the most important thing is that we have a stronger team. This will be good for him when he comes up. From what I’ve seen of Juolevi is that he can be a very good piece on a strong team but he needs strong players to set up and finish. I’m good with letting him bake in the AHL for most of the year until he’s ready and then come in and really be a nice surprise.

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49 minutes ago, Dannydog said:

This is the Jake thread all over again. because hes not a super star now hes a bust .Im looking forward to when he can beat this injury funk get back to his game and put all this nonsense to bed. 

I agree with that sentiment. It will be while till he’s fullfilling his potential but that’s ok. He could inject more puck moving and offence to the defensive core when it finally does happen. 

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10 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I countered that part stating that Tkachuk would come in and prove more than Vietnamese or McCann ever did and that he was ready. JB would have no choice despite Jared and Jake. 
 

I doubt we get Petey if we drafted Tkachuk. No way he gets past the Rangers. 
 

Yeah it’s meaningless and harder to predict. Hence why we should be happy with how things turned out. Likely could of been a lot worse right now. 

 

For some reason I’m now hungry. 
 

 

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4 hours ago, Phat Fingers said:

How could we be better than what the team is currently.  MT is a good player.  He found a niche on the top line in Calgary that was already complete as a roster.  But him on our train wreck of the past few years and expect a rookie not nearly as skilled or dynamic as Ep40 and Hughes and expecting them to transform our roster is ridiculous.  

 

MT didn't transform Calgary's roster, Giordano, Monahan and Gaudreau did.  

 

We didn't pick MT, get over it.  Calgary got a player that has done well that we passed on, big whoop.  

 

Think they would like to redraft the 2014 draft?  Betcha Bennett is not taken by Calgary.  Think they would like this years JV over this years Bennett, who may or may not be 19 years old still.  

 

How about Edmontom, passing on MT vs Poolparty.  Man that looks damn foolish now doesn't it?  Did anyone see Poolparty not making it over MT, nope.  

 

OJ is a great asset to have.  He is a future top 4 d man easily.  Just needs to gain man strength.  

 

Every team has players they wished they had selected vs who they did select.  We have 3 players that are complete steals vs almost everyone drafted 5 spots ahead of them.  Ep40, Hughes and Boeser.  Be happy about that vs being a sulky toddler that wants someone else's toy.  

 

You're blowing this way out of proportion. I was simply saying that there's no point in speculating in possible alternative outcomes because an opposite outcome can just as easily be created. 

 

Even if you want to believe that Tkachuk on our team would be wildly inferior to the one we see in Calgary, I'd still take that. If he can make an impact with Backlund and Frolik then I'm sure he'd be fine with Pettersson/Boeser or Horvat.

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16 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

It's pointless to speculate what would happen. 

100% agree. Someone could type whatever they want and say it could have happened.  Waste of time...

 

Edit: we could have picked Tkachuk and he could have become addicted to fortnight and quit hockey. We could have still drafted Pettersson and he could have become a crack head and moved to East Van.  Man...imagine if that happened!!  

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1 minute ago, Kanukfanatic said:

100% agree. Someone could type whatever they want and say it could have happened.  Waste of time...

Could have won the cup bro.

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3 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

You're blowing this way out of proportion. I was simply saying that there's no point in speculating in possible alternative outcomes because an opposite outcome can just as easily be created. 

 

Even if you want to believe that Tkachuk on our team would be wildly inferior to the one we see in Calgary, I'd still take that. If he can make an impact with Backlund and Frolik then I'm sure he'd be fine with Pettersson/Boeser or Horvat.

Not saying MT would be inferior, but his success would have been alot less likely playing here than in Calgary in the past 3 years.  They had a complete team, whereas we certainly didn't.  

 

Adding a winger is alot less crucial than finding a top center and d men that can actually transition the puck out of our zone.  You could be a great winger, but if your centerman can't win draws or get you the puck in scoring positions, you won be as successful.  

 

Same thing happens with not having a d man that can get the puck our of our zone.  

 

If injuries had not cost OJ last year and he was healthy starting this year, would we even be talking about this.  

 

Also, I am getting frustrated with posters constantly bringing up MT in relation to OJ.  Get over it.  

 

This is the same tires tripe that folks said about Horvat, JV, Brock and OJ.  Maybe since JB has an incredible success rate drafting, maybe we can stop with second guessing drafts that have long since passed.  

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6 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

For some reason I’m now hungry. 
 

 

Phone auto correct. I am too. Having turkey tonight.

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18 hours ago, Dannydog said:

This is the Jake thread all over again. because hes not a super star now hes a bust .Im looking forward to when he can beat this injury funk get back to his game and put all this nonsense to bed. 

I for one am glad that at least we don't have a Poolparty situation on our hands (equally likely future star or bust, who hasn't been able to make it work and is now sitting out, and for whom the team likely won't get equal value in return in a trade).  At least, when he's healthy, Olli should be a serviceable D-man (maybe another Salo but still a potential difference-maker).

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16 hours ago, Phat Fingers said:

How could we be better than what the team is currently.  MT is a good player.  He found a niche on the top line in Calgary that was already complete as a roster.  But him on our train wreck of the past few years and expect a rookie not nearly as skilled or dynamic as Ep40 and Hughes and expecting them to transform our roster is ridiculous.  

 

MT didn't transform Calgary's roster, Giordano, Monahan and Gaudreau did.  

 

We didn't pick MT, get over it.  Calgary got a player that has done well that we passed on, big whoop.  

 

Think they would like to redraft the 2014 draft?  Betcha Bennett is not taken by Calgary.  Think they would like this years JV over this years Bennett, who may or may not be 19 years old still.  

 

How about Edmontom, passing on MT vs Poolparty.  Man that looks damn foolish now doesn't it?  Did anyone see Poolparty not making it over MT, nope.  

 

OJ is a great asset to have.  He is a future top 4 d man easily.  Just needs to gain man strength.  

 

Every team has players they wished they had selected vs who they did select.  We have 3 players that are complete steals vs almost everyone drafted 5 spots ahead of them.  Ep40, Hughes and Boeser.  Be happy about that vs being a sulky toddler that wants someone else's toy.  

Another benefit: gets to stay and develope as a Canuck with a low cap hit...

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13 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

If there was anybody in the Canuck organization that didn't want Tkachuk it was Linden. If you watched hockey when those 2 were growing up you'd know this.

That is part of the reason he isn't here anymore. If there is a theory to your madness. 

Tkachuk family wanting no part of Vancouver? Problem child??? Please stop the *$...  That was Linden's view not Benning. That's why Linden gone Benning still here for a long while... How's that for a better theory...

Never seen a problem child become alternate captain of a NHL Team at such a childish age...?:o

 

People need to get over it, Tkachuk was the better pick BY FAR. We missed on that. But we stole 2 potential 1st  overall picks in Pettersson & Hughes. Boeser was a steal at #23. Gaudette was a steal in the 5trh round. Demko was a steal. Hoglander looks like  a steal. Miller  was a great deal. Pearson, Myers, Rousel, etc. 

Lets just enjoy what JIM BENNING has built cause in the big picture he's done an astounding job so far with the potential to be MUCH better in the very near future. 

This team is coming a long better than anyone thought. And this time we're actually for real. That is a fact. ..

 

Give it up on the Juolevi vs Tkachuk already people. We've won more than we've lost in recent drafts, we've hit home runs actually. No one bats 1000 but JB has the bases pretty loaded right now & for the future...

You were doing so well until you mentioned Myers.:bigblush:

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On 1/3/2020 at 10:31 AM, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

You're blowing this way out of proportion. I was simply saying that there's no point in speculating in possible alternative outcomes because an opposite outcome can just as easily be created. 

 

Even if you want to believe that Tkachuk on our team would be wildly inferior to the one we see in Calgary, I'd still take that. If he can make an impact with Backlund and Frolik then I'm sure he'd be fine with Pettersson/Boeser or Horvat.

I think more than Tkachuk being inferior, he would actually play the same and make the canucks better which means we might be drafting 8th or 9th instead of 5th to get Petey. We might then draft 10th the following year and have Bouchard instead of Hughes. 

So yes, in hindsight, i world not change a single thing. 

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