theo5789 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 16 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: They're not even credible rumors. Freid just speculated. I bet we were in on Simmonds as a backup plan until the Toffoli trade and now it's just a continued rumour from that. Only way I see us adding Simmonds at this point especially for the suggested return is that we are dumping Eriksson or something as well. It just doesn't make sense otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted February 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2020 Benning's done a few fishy things, but at no point dod I think he's Millbury enough to trade OJ for Simmonds. 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, theo5789 said: Have to think that if Juolevi is being dangled, then Rathbone is signing at the end of this year and has a legitimate shot at making the team within the next couple of years. With Edler and Hughes in front on LD, there really is only one spot left for the two (Brisebois could be a stop gap bottom pairing guy until Edler retires). So I could see Juolevi being shopped, but I would expect a better return than just Simmonds or Wood. I imagine if this were in the talks that we must have a serious cap dump going back the other way involved. Which would make sense if we are shipping out a bottom 6 cap dump and replacing with a short term bottom 6 player. Woo in the rumours kinda surprises me. RD isn't a strong area for us. Something around Stecher and OJ for Severson....Something like that might have legs but for freaking Simmonds?! People should be embarrassed to even come to that conclusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I would think if Benning was thinking of trading Juolevi he would want something significant in return. Like a top 4 defenceman who’s young with term. Risto would help up tremendously in our playoff push. Not sure what Buffalo would want but I’m assuming they’d want two of our younger prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, aGENT said: Something around Stecher and OJ for Severson....Something like that might have legs but for freaking Simmonds?! People should be embarrassed to even come to that conclusion For Severson that would be the ask. I’d do it for Risto but not for Severson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 19 hours ago, Where's Wellwood said: And what's their source? Eklund or Darren Dreger. They all live in their parents basement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) Funny how something Friedman speculated on Tim & Sid people are taking in as actual fact and rumors. Edited February 21, 2020 by Junkyard Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted February 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2020 anyone who thinks JB would even consider moving OJ for Simmonds is on glue 7 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted February 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, stawns said: anyone who thinks JB would even consider moving OJ for Simmonds is on glue It’s all based on a guess by Friedman, it wasn’t even an actual rumour. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 You guys are like kids in a candy shop...………... We are tight to the cap, and you are just piling more on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckinEdm Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 43 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: You guys are like kids in a candy shop...………... We are tight to the cap, and you are just piling more on! Ferland leivo and possibly Boeser out for the season we are not tight to the cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 If they are down on Juolevi, it would be better using him to unload a contract than bring in another rental. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: If they are down on Juolevi, it would be better using him to unload a contract than bring in another rental. If we use OJ as sweetener in dumping Loui, that creates 6 mil we use to sign Tofu. Then the trade is basically Madden and OJ for a signed Tofu. That’s a good trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: If they are down on Juolevi, it would be better using him to unload a contract than bring in another rental. That's how I felt about Madden too, but bringing in Toffoli with Boeser injured is much more reasonable than bringing in Simmonds/Wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: That's how I felt about Madden too, but bringing in Toffoli with Boeser injured is much more reasonable than bringing in Simmonds/Wood. I was just surprised they traded Madden, b/c cost controlled players are what we need. But maybe that should've been the play. Toffoli is a good player, so that aside, if they are moving any more prominent futures it should be to get out from under money so we can sign Toffoli & co. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 10pavelbure96 Posted February 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2020 Friedman name drops juolevi as someone NJ would target. All of a sudden Juolevi rumours start. There is zero base to these rumours, its 100% fictional ideas and opinions. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Juolevi for a rental doesn't make much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 12 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: I was just surprised they traded Madden, b/c cost controlled players are what we need. But maybe that should've been the play. Toffoli is a good player, so that aside, if they are moving any more prominent futures it should be to get out from under money so we can sign Toffoli & co. You wouldn't be interested in say an upgrade on D? A guy similar to the defensive version of Miller? Legit top 4, mid 20's, with a few years on an affordable deal left? Not only would that help immensely with any run this year, it would also do wonders with leverage for re-signing Tanev, and insulation in case he walks. (This would likely require also moving some of our young players soon due raises like Stecher, Virtanen etc). I don't think anyone's suggesting we move ALL our cost controlled prospects (particularly some of the top ones like Podz etc)...but theoretically, if we play our cards right, we could move a few (Madden plus one or two more) and still have the deepest prospect pool this organization has ever seen AND a damn good NHL team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: You guys are like kids in a candy shop...………... We are tight to the cap, and you are just piling more on! Lol, exactly History to repeat? We once had a top team in scoring, defending, pp, pk and odds on favorite to win the cup etc. Gilles went all in trading picks and if not for injuries, we would have had our Cup When we didn't get it, people complain that we had nothing in the cupboard We have promising prospects now that may turn out or may not (so don't stop collecting them) As Torts said we became stale, (because we couldn't move them for anything, we had nothing to offer) If you don't keep restocking the shelves, the product will get stale We were handcuffed signing core players to long term contracts (to keep under cap) and no picks or prospects to off load (or could afford too) We now load up on expensive players who aren't producing after signing and will continue to for years to come , while either playing on the team, AHL or on retired contracts taking up salary cap and then keep signing other expensive players Is the plan to offload more prospects and promising assets and draft picks to trade these guys to make room to keep the guys you NOW want? (I sure hope not) As I stated before, you can't keep chasing injuries late into the season trading assets for injured returning players (what do you give away if EP or Hughes gets hurt now, just to save the season)? You need the younger guys and others to grasp the opportunity and excel The team does not owe it to the players, the players are paid to perform, injuries happen It is a 2 way street, Ownership could say to EACH one of them You know injuries happen, if you want to be on a winning team, our salary cap is $80+mil If you All take 10% less we can afford more high end players (see how that is received) I loved when Burrows said in 2010 (I believe) when he signed for cheap, if we all take less we can stay together as a team, He was chastised by the NHLPA for saying that But that desire Burrows had to win is what I loved about him, he was a guy who was never expected to play in the NHL but had the desire and drive to do what it took to make it happen - Those are the kind of guys you want Edited February 21, 2020 by ba;;isticsports 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Goal:thecup Posted February 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, aGENT said: You wouldn't be interested in say an upgrade on D? A guy similar to the defensive version of Miller? Legit top 4, mid 20's, with a few years on an affordable deal left? Not only would that help immensely with any run this year, it would also do wonders with leverage for re-signing Tanev, and insulation in case he walks. (This would likely require also moving some of our young players soon due raises like Stecher, Virtanen etc). I don't think anyone's suggesting we move ALL our cost controlled prospects (particularly some of the top ones like Podz etc)...but theoretically, if we play our cards right, we could move a few (Madden plus one or two more) and still have the deepest prospect pool this organization has ever seen AND a damn good NHL team. This is another area (imo) that JB excells in, i.e. making decisions on prospects that are not going to make it to the big club, or who garner more in trade than they will produce in the NHL, and adjusting the balance between the demands of the NHL team and the needs of the development processes. I love this aspect of Benning's management; just look at all the good trades he has already made moving lesser lights out. I hope you are right because a legit top 4 D (preferably right side) would complete the rebuild for this year and set us up for playoff successes. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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