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On 1/13/2020 at 6:29 PM, Ossi Vaananen said:

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14 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Utica in a 6-5 OT win Juolevi finishes with an assist and +2. He has not on the ice for any goal against.

 

That brings his season totals 

 

31 Games Played, 1 Goal, 15 Assists, 16 Points, -5 and 18 PIMs

It has started already....as well...too...

 

Oli will be fine...!

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30 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Right now I would agree the future of our defense looks like:

 

Hughes - ???

Juolevi - Myers

Tryamkin - Woo

Rathbone

 

Still some uncertainty these especially with Juolevi and Woo. Would like the RD top pairing guy to be a two-way defenceman who you want on the ice in any situation as well. 

Tryamkin has played RD almost exclusively in his career. Bump him to the right, slot in Rathbone. Can never have too much depth, so we could add more dmen to the pipeline, but I don't mind that defense group in a couple of years.

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1 minute ago, theo5789 said:

Tryamkin has played RD almost exclusively in his career. Bump him to the right, slot in Rathbone. Can never have too much depth, so we could add more dmen to the pipeline, but I don't mind that defense group in a couple of years.

Still need a RD top pairing guy though. Neither Myers or Woo will likely be able to fill that role in three years time. I think our best course of action would be to trade for one if we cant draft one this year. 

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Juolevi, 21, has 15 points (1-14) in 30 games and has battled some soreness more than the puck or the opposition.
 

“He’s progressing,” said Benning. “He’s playing big minutes, playing smart and competing physically. He just hasn’t played a lot in the last one-and-a-half years. It’s good that he’s playing in all situations. He’s going to be a good, safe, all-round defenceman.”


https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/ben-kuzma-contending-canucks-could-make-gm-benning-buyer-not-seller-at-trade-deadline

 

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1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Still need a RD top pairing guy though. Neither Myers or Woo will likely be able to fill that role in three years time. I think our best course of action would be to trade for one if we cant draft one this year. 

Or have a balanced D group where everyone can play rather than rely on one pairing. Ride the hot hand. Look at a team like Vegas.

 

And who knows if Tryamkin (plays top pairing minutes in the KHL) or Woo develops into that role. If it's available to draft, then sure. Not sure we need to worry about it by next season.

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14 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Yeah, he had a good game tonight. It’s great to see him gradually rectifying his weaknesses. He also took a couple of big hits tonight and survived unscathed - hopefully the worst of his health issues are behind him. If he fills out like Edler, we may end up with a 6’3” 220 lb D - much like another D on our team. Be interesting to see if he gains an inkling to hit much like another big Swedish guy on our team.

It's almost like he needed actual, consistent play time to both get back up to speed/get FULLY over his injuries and continue his development... 

 

And on a good note, I think he's only just starting to get there. There's still more to come IMO.

 

36 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Still need a RD top pairing guy though. Neither Myers or Woo will likely be able to fill that role in three years time. I think our best course of action would be to trade for one if we cant draft one this year. 

Hughes can also play RD FWIW. In 3+ years, we may end up with a Juolevi/Hughes pair. (Or perhaps we get lucky and one of Woo, Tryamkin etc exceed expectations as well).

 

And given how deep our prospect pool is becoming (both D and forward), we might also be able to move some of these guys for an upgrade at D sometime in the future and/or attract a key UFA in a couple years to truly flesh out a top pair D if none of our guys not named Hughes develop in to that role. We're likely simply not going to have roster room or cap space to keep ALL the guys trending towards being NHL players.

 

My crystal ball gets hazy that far out though ;)

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, theo5789 said:

Or have a balanced D group where everyone can play rather than rely on one pairing. Ride the hot hand. Look at a team like Vegas.

 

And who knows if Tryamkin (plays top pairing minutes in the KHL) or Woo develops into that role. If it's available to draft, then sure. Not sure we need to worry about it by next season.

RD is by far the biggest organizational hole for the Canucks moving forward. 

 

Centers

Petey

Horvat

Gaudette

Madden

 

RW

Boeser

Podkolzin

Virtanen 

 

LW

Miller

Hoglander

Pearson

Roussell

 

LD

Hughes

Joulevi

Rathbone

 

 

RD (There is a chance none of these players are legit top 4 players in 3 years)

Myers

Woo

Tryamkin

Rafferty

 

Goalies

Markstrom

Demko

Dipietro 

 

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Just now, aGENT said:

It's almost like he needed actual, consistent play time to both get back up to speed/get FULLY over his injuries and continue his development... 

 

And on a good note, I think he's only just starting to get there. There's still more to come IMO.

 

Hughes can also play RD FWIW. In 3+ years, we may end up with a Juolevi/Hughes pair. (Or perhaps we get lucky and one of Woo, Tryamkin etc exceed expectations as well).

 

And given how deep our prospect pool is becoming (both D and forward), we might also be able to move some of these guys for an upgrade at D sometime in the future and/or attract a key UFA in a couple years to truly flesh out a top pair D if none of our guys not named Hughes develop in to that role. We're likely simply not going to have roster room or cap space to keep ALL the guys trending towards being NHL players.

 

My crystal ball gets hazy that far out though ;)

 

 

 

 

I would prefer not making our potentially best defenseman we have ever had play on his offside. Would effect his defensive effectiveness in the NHL. 

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7 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

RD is by far the biggest organizational hole for the Canucks moving forward. 

 

Centers

Petey

Horvat

Gaudette

Madden

 

RW

Boeser

Podkolzin

Virtanen 

 

LW

Miller

Hoglander

Pearson

Roussell

 

LD

Hughes

Joulevi

Rathbone

 

 

RD (There is a chance none of these players are legit top 4 players in 3 years)

Myers

Woo

Tryamkin

Rafferty

 

Goalies

Markstrom

Demko

Dipietro 

 

What about getting Risto from Buffalo?  

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7 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

RD is by far the biggest organizational hole for the Canucks moving forward. 

 

Centers

Petey

Horvat

Gaudette

Madden

 

RW

Boeser

Podkolzin

Virtanen 

 

LW

Miller

Hoglander

Pearson

Roussell

 

LD

Hughes

Joulevi

Rathbone

 

 

RD (There is a chance none of these players are legit top 4 players in 3 years)

Myers

Woo

Tryamkin

Rafferty

 

Goalies

Markstrom

Demko

Dipietro 

 

There's a chance that none of of prospects pan out in 3 years if that's the concern. We drafted Woo to be a top 4 dman. Tryamkin is playing top pair in the KHL (not saying that equates to top pairing here, but he can log the minutes). Myers is playing top 4. Like I said, if there is one available in the draft then go for it, but don't miss out on BPA over positional needs. Trading for a top RD in the league isn't going to be as easy said than done. We have players that we can work with that can hopefully allow us to balance out the minutes over the 3 pairings. It's a position we should always be looking to improve like any other position, but I don't see any real need to hinder the team (depleting assets/depth in other positions in a trade to fill this spot or eat up a ton of cap) when we have players in our system to look at first.

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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

What about getting Risto from Buffalo?  

What are you willing to give up and what are their needs are the questions that need to be answered? I like Ristolainen, but they seem to want to make it work there. I imagine the typical price of 1st (or 2nd), a prospect like Madden or Hoglander or Woo, and a roster player of need for them to get them thinking. Even then it might not be enough for a top pairing RD.

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15 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

I would prefer not making our potentially best defenseman we have ever had play on his offside. Would effect his defensive effectiveness in the NHL. 

He's stated he feels equally comfortable there and actually produces more offense from that side. If we've got a sufficiently defensive/2way partner on the left capable of playing 1st pair with him, I wouldn't worry the least bit about it.

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5 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

Hughes is 20 and scoring at an almost 60 pt pace, playing 20+ mins a night (some nights had him at 25+), and is playing incredibly solid defensively. How anyone can call him a number 2 baffles me. He’s already a number 1 in his rookie season. He’s just also fortunate he’s being “sheltered” as a 1A/1B thanks to Edler. It’ll be his team soon. 

Maybe you misunderstood  my definition of a #1 ?, he is a different player than  Lidstrom

No doubt he is our best most talented elite defenceman, and will be our best defenceman, But I don't recall Coffey playing PK either

It isn't a put down, I just think every coach will have more confidence in putting a shut down d man in those situation (they do pay players for those roles too)

His energy will be saved for 5v5 and PP imo  (btw, nothing wrong with yours being different, I don't take it personally)

 

 

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

He's stated he feels equally comfortable there and actually produces more offense from that side. If we've got a sufficiently defensive/2way partner on the left capable of playing 1st pair with him, I wouldn't worry the least bit about it.

How many Norris level Dmen play their off side? I dont mind Dmen playing their off side on the Powerplay but 5 on 5 it makes a big difference.   

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1 hour ago, theo5789 said:

There's a chance that none of of prospects pan out in 3 years if that's the concern. We drafted Woo to be a top 4 dman. Tryamkin is playing top pair in the KHL (not saying that equates to top pairing here, but he can log the minutes). Myers is playing top 4. Like I said, if there is one available in the draft then go for it, but don't miss out on BPA over positional needs. Trading for a top RD in the league isn't going to be as easy said than done. We have players that we can work with that can hopefully allow us to balance out the minutes over the 3 pairings. It's a position we should always be looking to improve like any other position, but I don't see any real need to hinder the team (depleting assets/depth in other positions in a trade to fill this spot or eat up a ton of cap) when we have players in our system to look at first.

Yeah I have no problem drafting BPA and then trading for a Dman. As long as you understand legit right handed Top 4 Dmen dont come cheap. 

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1 hour ago, theo5789 said:

What are you willing to give up and what are their needs are the questions that need to be answered? I like Ristolainen, but they seem to want to make it work there. I imagine the typical price of 1st (or 2nd), a prospect like Madden or Hoglander or Woo, and a roster player of need for them to get them thinking. Even then it might not be enough for a top pairing RD.

I wonder if they would do 1st round in 2022 and Gaudette for Risto. Maybe throw in a 3rd round as well. 

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2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Yeah I have no problem drafting BPA and then trading for a Dman. As long as you understand legit right handed Top 4 Dmen dont come cheap. 

Which is why I said it's easier said than done to acquire. We have Woo and Tryamkin as potential top 4 RD. If a solid RD lands around where we are drafting, go for it. But if there's an impressive center, then I wouldn't avoid that. We may end up with too much center depth, but that's how you build the tradable quality assets to make the trades easier to accomplish.

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2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

I wonder if they would do 1st round in 2022 and Gaudette for Risto. Maybe throw in a 3rd round as well. 

They aren't really in rebuild mode. That 1st is too far away. Gaudette might interest then, but not enough to give up a minute munching top pairing dman that puts up 40+ points a year.

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16 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

How many Norris level Dmen play their off side? I dont mind Dmen playing their off side on the Powerplay but 5 on 5 it makes a big difference.   

Orr, Bourque, Housley...Stevens and Niedermayer sometimes played together on the top pairing, both being lefties. Pronger at times, Timmonen...IIIRC Trouba played LD a lot in WPG. Brodie had his best season on his off side.

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10 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Orr, Bourque, Housley...Stevens and Niedermayer sometimes played together on the top pairing, both being lefties. Pronger at times, Timmonen...IIIRC Trouba played LD a lot in WPG. Brodie had his best season on his off side.

None of the Top D these days play their off side, the game is a lot more technical now. I could see if we had HOF studs like Stevens and Niedermayer it making sense but that is not the case. 

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