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Edit:  wowza...thanks for the heads up....and this list came from wiki...I will fix it...apologies!!

 

Accurate top 5 NHL draft list from last 10 years:

 

2019

1 1 New Jersey Jack Hughes C U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 40 6 11 17 6 2019-20
1 2 NY Rangers Kaapo Kakko R TPS Turku [SM-liiga] 44 7 9 16 12 2019-20
1 3 Chicago Kirby Dach C Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 45 7 7 14 10 2019-20
1 4 Colorado Bowen Byram D Vancouver Giants [WHL]            
1 5 Los Angeles Alex Turcotte C U.S. National Development Team [USHL]

2018

1 1 Buffalo Rasmus Dahlin D Frolunda HC [SweHL] 123 12 60 72 64 2019-20
1 2 Carolina Andrei Svechnikov R Barrie Colts [OHL] 132 39 43 82 100 2019-20
1 3 Montreal Jesperi Kotkaniemi C Assat Pori [SM-liiga] 114 17 25 42 49 2019-20
1 4 Ottawa Brady Tkachuk L Boston University [H-East] 119 37 35 72 128 2019-20
1 5 Arizona Barrett Hayton C Soo Greyhounds [OHL]

2017

1 1 New Jersey Nico Hischier C Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 194 49 79 128 60 2019-20
1 2 Philadelphia Nolan Patrick C Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 145 26 35 61 57 2018-19
1 3 Dallas Miro Heiskanen D HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga] 129 19 38 57 22 2019-20
1 4 Colorado Cale Makar D Brooks Bandits [AJHL] 41 11 26 37 6 2019-20
1 5 Vancouver Elias Pettersson C Timra IK [Swe-1]

2016

1 1 Toronto Auston Matthews C Zurich SC [Swiss-A] 261 145 117 262 44 2019-20
1 2 Winnipeg Patrik Laine R Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga] 286 127 102 229 106 2019-20
1 3 Columbus Pierre-Luc Dubois C Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 215 62 85 147 148 2019-20
1 4 Edmonton Jesse Puljujarvi R Karpat [SM-liiga] 139 17 20 37 40 2018-19
1 5 Vancouver Olli Juolevi D London Knights [OHL]

2015

1 1 Toronto Auston Matthews C Zurich SC [Swiss-A] 261 145 117 262 44 2019-20
1 2 Winnipeg Patrik Laine R Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga] 286 127 102 229 106 2019-20
1 3 Columbus Pierre-Luc Dubois C Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 215 62 85 147 148 2019-20
1 4 Edmonton Jesse Puljujarvi R Karpat [SM-liiga] 139 17 20 37 40 2018-19
1 5 Vancouver Olli Juolevi D London Knights [OHL]

2014

1 1 Florida Aaron Ekblad D Barrie Colts [OHL] 438 71 128 199 269 2019-20
1 2 Buffalo Sam Reinhart C Kootenay Ice [WHL] 380 104 142 246 80 2019-20
1 3 Edmonton Leon Draisaitl C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 400 152 235 387 138 2019-20
1 4 Calgary Sam Bennett C Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 346 59 63 122 292 2019-20
1 5 NY Islanders Michael Dal Colle L Oshawa Generals [OHL]

2013

1 1 Colorado Nathan MacKinnon C Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 505 185 289 474 193 2019-20
1 2 Florida Aleksander Barkov C Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga] 462 151 248 399 82 2019-20
1 3 Tampa Bay Jonathan Drouin L Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 341 67 142 209 116 2019-20
1 4 Nashville Seth Jones D Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 519 59 197 256 166 2019-20
1 5 Carolina Elias Lindholm C Brynas IF Gavle [SEL]

2012

1 1 Edmonton Nail Yakupov R Sarnia Sting [OHL] 350 62 74 136 142 2017-18
1 2 Columbus Ryan Murray D Everett Silvertips [WHL] 344 15 93 108 104 2019-20
1 3 Montreal Alex Galchenyuk C Sarnia Sting [OHL] 531 132 180 312 193 2019-20
1 4 NY Islanders Griffin Reinhart D Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL] 37 0 2 2 26 2016-17
1 5 Toronto Morgan Rielly D Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL]

2011

1 1 Edmonton Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 582 160 255 415 190 2019-20
1 2 Colorado Gabriel Landeskog L Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 612 190 247 437 475 2019-20
1 3 Florida Jonathan Huberdeau L Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 516 143 281 424 245 2019-20
1 4 New Jersey Adam Larsson D Skelleftea AIK [SEL] 525 20 105 125 309 2019-20
1 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C Niagara IceDogs [OHL]

2010

1 1 Edmonton Taylor Hall L Windsor Spitfires [OHL] 608 215 336 551 346 2019-20
1 2 Boston Tyler Seguin C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 720 273 348 621 219 2019-20
1 3 Florida Erik Gudbranson D Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 511 20 52 72 574 2019-20
1 4 Columbus Ryan Johansen C Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 639 140 293 433 397 2019-20
1 5 NY Islanders Nino Niederreiter R Portland Winterhawks [WHL]

 

Out of those top 5 draft picks from each year, there are around 20 (just under I think) that did not make their NHL team the year after the draft. The other poster stated their belief was that top 5 picks should be NHL ready.  

 

In the last ten years, with the real list of drafted top 5 prospects (:blush:) 40% do not play in the NHL right away after being drafted.

 

Edit: my apologies to 10pavelbure96 and horvatisaboss for the wrong names I found online - I should have noted it was wrong before posting ---  :picard:

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2 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Accurate top 5 NHL draft list from last 10 years:

 

2019

1 1 New Jersey Jack Hughes C U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 40 6 11 17 6 2019-20
1 2 NY Rangers Kaapo Kakko R TPS Turku [SM-liiga] 44 7 9 16 12 2019-20
1 3 Chicago Kirby Dach C Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 45 7 7 14 10 2019-20
1 4 Colorado Bowen Byram D Vancouver Giants [WHL]            
1 5 Los Angeles Alex Turcotte C U.S. National Development Team [USHL]

2018

1 1 Buffalo Rasmus Dahlin D Frolunda HC [SweHL] 123 12 60 72 64 2019-20
1 2 Carolina Andrei Svechnikov R Barrie Colts [OHL] 132 39 43 82 100 2019-20
1 3 Montreal Jesperi Kotkaniemi C Assat Pori [SM-liiga] 114 17 25 42 49 2019-20
1 4 Ottawa Brady Tkachuk L Boston University [H-East] 119 37 35 72 128 2019-20
1 5 Arizona Barrett Hayton C Soo Greyhounds [OHL]

2017

1 1 New Jersey Nico Hischier C Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 194 49 79 128 60 2019-20
1 2 Philadelphia Nolan Patrick C Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 145 26 35 61 57 2018-19
1 3 Dallas Miro Heiskanen D HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga] 129 19 38 57 22 2019-20
1 4 Colorado Cale Makar D Brooks Bandits [AJHL] 41 11 26 37 6 2019-20
1 5 Vancouver Elias Pettersson C Timra IK [Swe-1]

2016

1 1 Toronto Auston Matthews C Zurich SC [Swiss-A] 261 145 117 262 44 2019-20
1 2 Winnipeg Patrik Laine R Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga] 286 127 102 229 106 2019-20
1 3 Columbus Pierre-Luc Dubois C Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 215 62 85 147 148 2019-20
1 4 Edmonton Jesse Puljujarvi R Karpat [SM-liiga] 139 17 20 37 40 2018-19
1 5 Vancouver Olli Juolevi D London Knights [OHL]

2015

1 1 Toronto Auston Matthews C Zurich SC [Swiss-A] 261 145 117 262 44 2019-20
1 2 Winnipeg Patrik Laine R Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga] 286 127 102 229 106 2019-20
1 3 Columbus Pierre-Luc Dubois C Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 215 62 85 147 148 2019-20
1 4 Edmonton Jesse Puljujarvi R Karpat [SM-liiga] 139 17 20 37 40 2018-19
1 5 Vancouver Olli Juolevi D London Knights [OHL]

2014

1 1 Florida Aaron Ekblad D Barrie Colts [OHL] 438 71 128 199 269 2019-20
1 2 Buffalo Sam Reinhart C Kootenay Ice [WHL] 380 104 142 246 80 2019-20
1 3 Edmonton Leon Draisaitl C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 400 152 235 387 138 2019-20
1 4 Calgary Sam Bennett C Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 346 59 63 122 292 2019-20
1 5 NY Islanders Michael Dal Colle L Oshawa Generals [OHL]

2013

1 1 Colorado Nathan MacKinnon C Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 505 185 289 474 193 2019-20
1 2 Florida Aleksander Barkov C Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga] 462 151 248 399 82 2019-20
1 3 Tampa Bay Jonathan Drouin L Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 341 67 142 209 116 2019-20
1 4 Nashville Seth Jones D Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 519 59 197 256 166 2019-20
1 5 Carolina Elias Lindholm C Brynas IF Gavle [SEL]

2012

1 1 Edmonton Nail Yakupov R Sarnia Sting [OHL] 350 62 74 136 142 2017-18
1 2 Columbus Ryan Murray D Everett Silvertips [WHL] 344 15 93 108 104 2019-20
1 3 Montreal Alex Galchenyuk C Sarnia Sting [OHL] 531 132 180 312 193 2019-20
1 4 NY Islanders Griffin Reinhart D Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL] 37 0 2 2 26 2016-17
1 5 Toronto Morgan Rielly D Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL]

2011

1 1 Edmonton Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 582 160 255 415 190 2019-20
1 2 Colorado Gabriel Landeskog L Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 612 190 247 437 475 2019-20
1 3 Florida Jonathan Huberdeau L Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 516 143 281 424 245 2019-20
1 4 New Jersey Adam Larsson D Skelleftea AIK [SEL] 525 20 105 125 309 2019-20
1 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C Niagara IceDogs [OHL]

2010

1 1 Edmonton Taylor Hall L Windsor Spitfires [OHL] 608 215 336 551 346 2019-20
1 2 Boston Tyler Seguin C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 720 273 348 621 219 2019-20
1 3 Florida Erik Gudbranson D Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 511 20 52 72 574 2019-20
1 4 Columbus Ryan Johansen C Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 639 140 293 433 397 2019-20
1 5 NY Islanders Nino Niederreiter R Portland Winterhawks [WHL]

 

Out of those top 5 draft picks from each year, there are around 20 (just under I think) that did not make their NHL team the year after the draft. The other poster stated their belief was that top 5 picks should be NHL ready.  

 

In the last ten years, with the real list of drafted top 5 prospects (:blush:) 40% do not play in the NHL right away after being drafted.

 

Edit: my apologies to 10pavelbure96 and horvatisaboss for the wrong names I found online - I should have noted it was wrong before posting ---  :picard:

And when one mistake is not enough we passed twice on Tkachuk by picking up two time Juolevi in 2015 AND 2016 ? 

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3 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

 

In the last ten years, with the real list of drafted top 5 prospects (:blush:) 40% do not play in the NHL right away after being drafted.

 

Edit: my apologies to 10pavelbure96 and horvatisaboss for the wrong names I found online - I should have noted it was wrong before posting ---  :picard:

Was it really that important to argue this and to post the wrong list twice? Chill brother!

 

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11 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Accurate top 5 NHL draft list from last 10 years:

 

2019

1 1 New Jersey Jack Hughes C U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 40 6 11 17 6 2019-20
1 2 NY Rangers Kaapo Kakko R TPS Turku [SM-liiga] 44 7 9 16 12 2019-20
1 3 Chicago Kirby Dach C Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 45 7 7 14 10 2019-20
1 4 Colorado Bowen Byram D Vancouver Giants [WHL]            
1 5 Los Angeles Alex Turcotte C U.S. National Development Team [USHL]

2018

1 1 Buffalo Rasmus Dahlin D Frolunda HC [SweHL] 123 12 60 72 64 2019-20
1 2 Carolina Andrei Svechnikov R Barrie Colts [OHL] 132 39 43 82 100 2019-20
1 3 Montreal Jesperi Kotkaniemi C Assat Pori [SM-liiga] 114 17 25 42 49 2019-20
1 4 Ottawa Brady Tkachuk L Boston University [H-East] 119 37 35 72 128 2019-20
1 5 Arizona Barrett Hayton C Soo Greyhounds [OHL]

2017

1 1 New Jersey Nico Hischier C Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 194 49 79 128 60 2019-20
1 2 Philadelphia Nolan Patrick C Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 145 26 35 61 57 2018-19
1 3 Dallas Miro Heiskanen D HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga] 129 19 38 57 22 2019-20
1 4 Colorado Cale Makar D Brooks Bandits [AJHL] 41 11 26 37 6 2019-20
1 5 Vancouver Elias Pettersson C Timra IK [Swe-1]

2016

1 1 Toronto Auston Matthews C Zurich SC [Swiss-A] 261 145 117 262 44 2019-20
1 2 Winnipeg Patrik Laine R Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga] 286 127 102 229 106 2019-20
1 3 Columbus Pierre-Luc Dubois C Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 215 62 85 147 148 2019-20
1 4 Edmonton Jesse Puljujarvi R Karpat [SM-liiga] 139 17 20 37 40 2018-19
1 5 Vancouver Olli Juolevi D London Knights [OHL]

2015

1 1 Toronto Auston Matthews C Zurich SC [Swiss-A] 261 145 117 262 44 2019-20
1 2 Winnipeg Patrik Laine R Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga] 286 127 102 229 106 2019-20
1 3 Columbus Pierre-Luc Dubois C Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 215 62 85 147 148 2019-20
1 4 Edmonton Jesse Puljujarvi R Karpat [SM-liiga] 139 17 20 37 40 2018-19
1 5 Vancouver Olli Juolevi D London Knights [OHL]

2014

1 1 Florida Aaron Ekblad D Barrie Colts [OHL] 438 71 128 199 269 2019-20
1 2 Buffalo Sam Reinhart C Kootenay Ice [WHL] 380 104 142 246 80 2019-20
1 3 Edmonton Leon Draisaitl C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 400 152 235 387 138 2019-20
1 4 Calgary Sam Bennett C Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 346 59 63 122 292 2019-20
1 5 NY Islanders Michael Dal Colle L Oshawa Generals [OHL]

2013

1 1 Colorado Nathan MacKinnon C Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 505 185 289 474 193 2019-20
1 2 Florida Aleksander Barkov C Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga] 462 151 248 399 82 2019-20
1 3 Tampa Bay Jonathan Drouin L Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 341 67 142 209 116 2019-20
1 4 Nashville Seth Jones D Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 519 59 197 256 166 2019-20
1 5 Carolina Elias Lindholm C Brynas IF Gavle [SEL]

2012

1 1 Edmonton Nail Yakupov R Sarnia Sting [OHL] 350 62 74 136 142 2017-18
1 2 Columbus Ryan Murray D Everett Silvertips [WHL] 344 15 93 108 104 2019-20
1 3 Montreal Alex Galchenyuk C Sarnia Sting [OHL] 531 132 180 312 193 2019-20
1 4 NY Islanders Griffin Reinhart D Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL] 37 0 2 2 26 2016-17
1 5 Toronto Morgan Rielly D Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL]

2011

1 1 Edmonton Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 582 160 255 415 190 2019-20
1 2 Colorado Gabriel Landeskog L Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 612 190 247 437 475 2019-20
1 3 Florida Jonathan Huberdeau L Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 516 143 281 424 245 2019-20
1 4 New Jersey Adam Larsson D Skelleftea AIK [SEL] 525 20 105 125 309 2019-20
1 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C Niagara IceDogs [OHL]

2010

1 1 Edmonton Taylor Hall L Windsor Spitfires [OHL] 608 215 336 551 346 2019-20
1 2 Boston Tyler Seguin C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 720 273 348 621 219 2019-20
1 3 Florida Erik Gudbranson D Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 511 20 52 72 574 2019-20
1 4 Columbus Ryan Johansen C Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 639 140 293 433 397 2019-20
1 5 NY Islanders Nino Niederreiter R Portland Winterhawks [WHL]

 

Out of those top 5 draft picks from each year, there are around 20 (just under I think) that did not make their NHL team the year after the draft. The other poster stated their belief was that top 5 picks should be NHL ready.  

 

In the last ten years, with the real list of drafted top 5 prospects (:blush:) 40% do not play in the NHL right away after being drafted.

 

Edit: my apologies to 10pavelbure96 and horvatisaboss for the wrong names I found online - I should have noted it was wrong before posting ---  :picard:

So the narrative of toxic BS about OJ being a busted puck cause he didn't make the NHL as a d man before he turned 21 is a lie.  

 

Yup. 

 

OJ missed his d+3 year due to INJURY.  

 

So in his case, this is his D+3 year cause of the injury Mulligan.  

 

Looks almost ready to step into a full time role in the NHL... needs a bit more time to season, but on track.  

 

Most NHL d men do not make the NHL as regulars prior to their D+4 season.  Some make it in their D+3 years as regulars.  A handful make it in their D+2 years like Hughes.  Almost none make the team in the year of their draft.  Ekbkad and Dahlin are the only 2 in the last 10 years.  

 

OJ has peers that made an impact earlier than him... see injury history and the fact the OJ was less physically ready that Serge, McAvoy and Chychrun.  

 

That was known when he was selected.  No way OJ makes it out of the top 10 in his draft year.  

 

After Tkachuks latest antics, does anyone want that puke on our team.  

 

Brady, in a heart beat., Matt, no way.  What do you think Bo, Miller and co think of that type of play.  Does anyone think that the league would not have suspended Matt if he was a nuck in that same set of circumstances.  

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said:

So the narrative of toxic BS about OJ being a busted puck cause he didn't make the NHL as a d man before he turned 21 is a lie.  

 

Yup. 

 

OJ missed his d+3 year due to INJURY.  

 

So in his case, this is his D+3 year cause of the injury Mulligan.  

 

Looks almost ready to step into a full time role in the NHL... needs a bit more time to season, but on track.  

 

Most NHL d men do not make the NHL as regulars prior to their D+4 season.  Some make it in their D+3 years as regulars.  A handful make it in their D+2 years like Hughes.  Almost none make the team in the year of their draft.  Ekbkad and Dahlin are the only 2 in the last 10 years.  

 

OJ has peers that made an impact earlier than him... see injury history and the fact the OJ was less physically ready that Serge, McAvoy and Chychrun.  

 

That was known when he was selected.  No way OJ makes it out of the top 10 in his draft year.  

 

After Tkachuks latest antics, does anyone want that puke on our team.  

 

Brady, in a heart beat., Matt, no way.  What do you think Bo, Miller and co think of that type of play.  Does anyone think that the league would not have suspended Matt if he was a nuck in that same set of circumstances.  

 

 

So out of that list of top 5 players only 6 aren't in the nhl.

 

 

Byram turcotte OJ puljujarvi yak Reinhart. 

 

Doesn't look great lol.

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31 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

So out of that list of top 5 players only 6 aren't in the nhl.

 

 

Byram turcotte OJ puljujarvi yak Reinhart. 

 

Doesn't look great lol.

Totally agree.  The two serious injuries have greatly effected OJ’s development curve.  He’s still IMO a full year away from being completely recovered (and his strength and fitness caught up) from those injuries.  

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28 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Totally agree.  The two serious injuries have greatly effected OJ’s development curve.  He’s still IMO a full year away from being completely recovered (and his strength and fitness caught up) from those injuries.  

I really think he's pretty close as it is right now Alf. If we weren't completely stacked on D with Edler, Hughes, Fantenburg, and Benn being able to play both sides, I think he probably would have a gotten a look already. With the relative health of our D the same goes for Rafferty. 

 

I think he will get a chance towards the end of this season, depending on how we do, but if not he certainly will be given every opportunity to make the team out of camp.

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1 hour ago, 73 Percent said:

So out of that list of top 5 players only 6 aren't in the nhl.

 

 

Byram turcotte OJ puljujarvi yak Reinhart. 

 

Doesn't look great lol.

I agree...for Edmonton. They had 50% of that list there (Reinhart acquired through trade).

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this thread is hilarious. We have people calling OJ a bust at 5th oa because of injuries and not looking at his actual performance numbers in Europe and the AHL which are good, and we have a real example of a bust at 4th oa who was given every chance to succeed in the NHL.

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53 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Totally agree.  The two serious injuries have greatly effected OJ’s development curve.  He’s still IMO a full year away from being completely recovered (and his strength and fitness caught up) from those injuries.  

with his recent stretch of quality performance I think its the remainder of this year and a good summer of training and he earns a job next training camp. 

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38 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

I really think he's pretty close as it is right now Alf. If we weren't completely stacked on D with Edler, Hughes, Fantenburg, and Benn being able to play both sides, I think he probably would have a gotten a look already. With the relative health of our D the same goes for Rafferty. 

 

I think he will get a chance towards the end of this season, depending on how we do, but if not he certainly will be given every opportunity to make the team out of camp.

Those couple injuries likely limited his training.  Add to that he was (is) still physically maturing, and that’s why I think he’s still the rest of this season and this coming summer of really hard training away from getting back to where he was when we drafted him - for health and fitness.  I could see OJ in the Calder race next season.  

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@Kanukfanatic the 2016 draft is listed twice and the 2015 draft is missing.

 

Also, I don't think many people care about making the NHL in their draft +1 year as it's usually the top 3 who have a shot at that and then a bunch of exceptions. Instead, you should look at the top 5 pick who didn't make the NHL by their draft +2 year. That would mean 2019 would have to be excluded though since they're only in their draft +1 year.

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24 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Those couple injuries likely limited his training.  Add to that he was (is) still physically maturing, and that’s why I think he’s still the rest of this season and this coming summer of really hard training away from getting back to where he was when we drafted him - for health and fitness.  I could see OJ in the Calder race next season.  

Like most young players they need a year or so of seasoning. The problem with OJ is unlike most he hasn't had a large run of AHL games in a row in order to challenge the next level, struggle a bit, plateau, and then improve by adjusting to the pace and skill level. He's up to 37 games played. If he hits 50-57 this year and hopefully plays another 20+ meaningful playoff games I think that will benefit himself immensely and pave the way to improve exponentially this summer with a normal training regiment.

 

At the NHL level I don't know how many points he'll put up as he's never excelled there but I do see him fitting in to this line-up and bringing a fluid game that fits with our younger skilled players. He will get his points though in supporting our emerging skill, providing a big body, a PP presence, big minutes, and perhaps most importantly clutch scoring. He seems to do better when competition gets higher and he has the skill and smarts to be in position, and create goals, when others don't expect it. Imagine the end of a 3-3 game in the playoffs and a chance pops out to an unsuspecting dman in the slot. Who do you want there Tanev, Stetcher, or OJ? Remember that ripper he scored the other night?

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17 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

From https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-season-opening-roster-breakdown-facts-and-figures/c-309686396

 

By percentage, skaters are younger than goalies. Of the 626 skaters, 483 (77.2 percent) are less than 30 years old; 143 (22.8 percent) are 30 or older. 

 

So according to the NHL itself, 23% of skaters in the NHL are 30 or older.  Your statement is completely wrong or at the very minimum extremely exaggerated.  23% is quite high.

 

"a very low %" would be under 5% in my opinion.

 

I didn’t say above age 30, I said 32. There was only 52 players at the beginning of the season over the age of 32... I’d imagine there’s a bit more now... what with birthdays and whatnot.

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

this thread is hilarious. We have people calling OJ a bust at 5th oa because of injuries and not looking at his actual performance numbers in Europe and the AHL which are good, and we have a real example of a bust at 4th oa who was given every chance to succeed in the NHL.

And we have people who can’t tell the difference... although I’m not good at articulation most times. So I guess I’ll say; I hope this kid salvages a good NHL career.

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I think he's played well since his last stretch of injury, he's finally picked up his defensive play and is more physically engaged than I've ever seen.  I do think he needs to improve his skating however, maybe needs to go to Horvat's skating coach in the offseason.  An interesting prospect to keep tabs on...I'm not sure if I see him as more than a bottom pairing defenceman at the NHL level but hopefully he proves me wrong.

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I don't care about lists of top 5 picks who have had an unimpeded developmental path to the NHL.  These players failed to become NHL players solely because they simply did not have the skill set required.  The only 2 players that I can think of that can be likened to OJs situation are: Gabe Viraldi and Nolan Patrick.

 

Vilardi was commonly projected to be (at least) a top 5 pick in his draft, but slipped down to #11, due to being injured at the time.  He has yet to play in the NHL and has recently started playing in the OHL (25 games).

 

Patrick has fared better than OJ or GV, but he surely has been a disappointment to Flyer fans so far.  With no improvement in his 1st two season and now facing yet another injury (he hasn't played a single game this season), his career is has certainly been derailed (hopefully temporarily).

 

So yeah, there is the potential that these players will have varying degrees of success, despite the struggles they have endured.  Whether they can reach their projected level of play remains to be seen.

 

The impact of an injury and subsequent rehabilitation has the obvious physical consequences, but is also an extremely emotional experience (especially for a prospect that had had NHL dreams for most of his life).  The struggles these 3 players have endured should not be discounted.

 

Comparing these 3 players to others that have enjoyed an unhampered development time frame, is really unfair.

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20 minutes ago, highwayman3 said:

I think he's played well since his last stretch of injury, he's finally picked up his defensive play and is more physically engaged than I've ever seen.  I do think he needs to improve his skating however, maybe needs to go to Horvat's skating coach in the offseason.  An interesting prospect to keep tabs on...I'm not sure if I see him as more than a bottom pairing defenceman at the NHL level but hopefully he proves me wrong.

I keep saying this ...but it needs to said over and over again...his knee, hip and back injuries have kept him with a stiff gait and from turning smoothly...give him a few months too a year to get everything working together smoothly and his skating will improve immensely...!

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3 hours ago, 73 Percent said:

So out of that list of top 5 players only 6 aren't in the nhl.

 

 

Byram turcotte OJ puljujarvi yak Reinhart. 

 

Doesn't look great lol.

Dal Colle had some big issues.  He may have had a cup of coffee in the NHL prior to his D+4 year.  That's one off the top of head.  

 

How many top 5 picks were d men?  Makar took 2 years and entered the league in his D+3 year.  

 

Hayton is not in the NHL... no doubt he will be, Ryan Strome struggled to get a regular spot.  

 

The only reason I emphasised the lie is that posters claimed he was the only top 5 pick to never play in the NHL... ironic that he is still a prospect, in the last 20 years.

 

Ohlund was derided by hacks until he crossed the pond.  

 

Had OJ not tore up his knee, this whole incessant arguement would be nulled.  

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said:

Dal Colle had some big issues.  He may have had a cup of coffee in the NHL prior to his D+4 year.  That's one off the top of head.  

 

How many top 5 picks were d men?  Makar took 2 years and entered the league in his D+3 year.  

 

Hayton is not in the NHL... no doubt he will be, Ryan Strome struggled to get a regular spot.  

 

The only reason I emphasised the lie is that posters claimed he was the only top 5 pick to never play in the NHL... ironic that he is still a prospect, in the last 20 years.

 

Ohlund was derided by hacks until he crossed the pond.  

 

Had OJ not tore up his knee, this whole incessant arguement would be nulled.  

 

 

I'm not even reading past this lol. Have a good day man.

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