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If we take for gospel the view that Fatenberg is better then Juolevi it doesn't look good. We've all seen Fatenberg in Vcr, he does have value at his salary but not a future core player. From the posts I've read of Ray's he pretty even keeled  with his assessments. Which ever way it goes JB is going to get it in the neck from the impulsive fans 

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10 hours ago, wildcam said:

Hello, Like your post you must live in Utica? people still have to remember injuries have really slowed his development the last 3 years..

Only played 17 games last season? Hurt again this season and then Covid -19 -- 

You have Tryamkin  in Vancouver next season??? Not sure that will happen? 

Tanev 30 UFA this summer will want at least 4.5 million x 4 years? He is very valuable but always hurt, need to move away from Tanev.

I would like to see Jim trade for a top end D man, solid guy under 27 plays a complete game and would fit with Hughes and both guys log 21 -23 mins..

Hope Edler 34 years old is a big part of the D core and avg 23 mins per game.

Stetcher - RFA will want at least 2.8 million x 4 yrs ? I think Rafferty could fill his 15 - 17 mins per game # 5 spot.and only $750,000....

To get a top end D man will have to trade a top 4 forward...Boser possible if Taffoli is signed,,,,

 

We will not have extra money to go sign a top end D man in fee agency ...

Lots of players to sign, Markstrom, Virtanen, Taffoli, Motte, MacEwen, Lievo ( Tanev ??) ( Stetcher ? )

Could also be a cap buyout and that would really help signing players?Even 2 buyouts,  No Erickson and  his 6 million against the cap. Luongo 3 mil x 3 yrs? 

Going to be a very interesting and exciting summer..

Nope, live in Abbotsford, I just subscribe to AHLTV or whatever it’s called. The video is not the best quality, but one does get the broad strokes. 
 

Nope, not sure Tryamkin will sign, but I think Benning likes him if he can fit him in the budget - Tryamkin definitely brings an element we don’t have - an element really appreciated if we are to control some of the bigger players in the West. Tanev changed his equipment a lot for the 2019/20 season and he had a much healthier year - don’t know if that is only correlation or causal - but if better protective gear is the reason, then he could expected to not only play more but play more to his top end more of the time. He is very often a very underrated player - I hope we can keep him. I also like Stetcher, a local boy that gives you everything he’s got every game, but (oh my the is a big three letter word) I think the skilled bigger guy, Rafferty, or the bigger, bruiser Tryamkin May better serve our needs. But Tryamkin also plays the left side so he could replace a left side D (Benn, Fantenburg), but then no Juolevi except for long term injury or call-up. 
 

I’ve really like Rafferty ever since his first two games with the Canucks last year. Even last year it was evident that offensively, at least, he had an NHL game. For the coming season, he will also command an NHL salary no matter where he plays - it would seem his AHL play of this season should at least gain him a long look in the coming season. One caveat though, as I recall, Rafferty has limited vision in one eye - that could make him more vulnerable to getting hit. He took a big hit last year near his own net that he did not appear to see coming - that caused him to miss a few games and cost him the scoring lead among AHL defencemen and it took him a while to get his form back. Other than that, this guy made some spectacular plays last year - there aren’t many defencemen in any pro league that can go end to end or near enough: 

 

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8 hours ago, Fred65 said:

If we take for gospel the view that Fatenberg is better then Juolevi it doesn't look good. We've all seen Fatenberg in Vcr, he does have value at his salary but not a future core player. From the posts I've read of Ray's he pretty even keeled  with his assessments. Which ever way it goes JB is going to get it in the neck from the impulsive fans 

Who is saying Fantenberg is better than Juolevi and based on what merit?

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13 hours ago, theo5789 said:

Who is saying Fantenberg is better than Juolevi and based on what merit?

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 I watched both Juolevi and Fantenburg in Utica when Fantenburg was sent there to get healthy. Fantenburg was clearly better.

This from a Utica fan, Ray=Cathode, who frankly as a rule sticks to facts rather than speculate. It's interesting as he likely one of the few posters on here that actually watched these guy simultaneously. Fantenburg is likely as good as you can expect for a 5-6 D. 

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1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

This from a Utica fan, Ray=Cathode, who frankly as a rule sticks to facts rather than speculate. It's interesting as he likely one of the few posters on here that actually watched these guy simultaneously. Fantenburg is likely as good as you can expect for a 5-6 D. 

It's not fact, it's an opinion as even Ray stated himself. It is good to have his input but it is good to look at other inputs and contextual circumstances as well instead of using one POV to push an agenda.

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19 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Tanev changed his equipment a lot for the 2019/20 season and he had a much healthier year - don’t know if that is only correlation or causal - but if better protective gear is the reason, then he could expected to not only play more but play more to his top end more of the time.

This is interesting about Tanev?

 

I presumed, and my observation was he gets squished a lot less with Hughes as the primary puck retriever. As much as Tanev is fast. QH offering the lightning quickness to get to pucks untouched. Get it & get it out! Rather than absorb the punishment Chris did retrieving pucks. 

 

I wonder what his blocked shot total was; down? My other observation is he spent a lot more time up ice, with Quinn having either retrieved, or even lugging it up himself. Greatly reducing blocked shots. We also got to see some offence. Hughes even calling Tanev under rated offensively?

 

Less shoulder and rib problems from absorbing punishing hits from fore checking forwards. Less fractured legs, swollen skate feet, bone bruising and battering from pucks fearlessly using his body to get in front of.  Less errant sticks and pucks breaking his teeth, or concussing in front of the net. 

 

I thought a great deal of his health was related to being partnered with Quinn  Hughes.  

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1 hour ago, Fanuck said:

Ryan Johnson says he's happy with OJ's development this season. 

Quite frankly, I'd take his assessment over ANYONE on CDC no mater how closely they say they watch the prospects.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/650/canucks-central-at-noon/ryan-johnson-talks-lind-juolevi-development-baertschi-goldobins-positive-attitude-remaining-patient/

 

Holy cow! You got real credit; image.png.d0ea56d24d377774a4934c661ee463b5.png

 

@aGENT is usually the most liberal  beer provider on CDC. Happy to shout any & everyone a glug for participation in a thread. But tongue in cheek. Usually actually hinting guys just drink too much when they comment... 

 

Praise indeed!  :frantic:

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18 hours ago, DeNiro said:

I would hope a 28 year old who has played more than 100 games in the NHL would look better than a 21 year old with no NHL experience.

 

That doesn’t really mean much though. Biega would probably look better than some of our best D prospects, does that mean he’s always going to be a better player? Not likely.

Not only that but a 21 year old Joulevi who was coming back from a year of injury. Last year Joulevi's challenge was getting a solid number of games under his belt and building from there. It appeared he was handled carefully during that process. Very disappointing the season was cut short especially since Utica was playoff bound. A lost opportunity for OJ. 

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On 5/3/2020 at 3:35 PM, Canuck Surfer said:

This is interesting about Tanev?

 

I presumed, and my observation was he gets squished a lot less with Hughes as the primary puck retriever. As much as Tanev is fast. QH offering the lightning quickness to get to pucks untouched. Get it & get it out! Rather than absorb the punishment Chris did retrieving pucks. 

 

I wonder what his blocked shot total was; down? My other observation is he spent a lot more time up ice, with Quinn having either retrieved, or even lugging it up himself. Greatly reducing blocked shots. We also got to see some offence. Hughes even calling Tanev under rated offensively?

 

Less shoulder and rib problems from absorbing punishing hits from fore checking forwards. Less fractured legs, swollen skate feet, bone bruising and battering from pucks fearlessly using his body to get in front of.  Less errant sticks and pucks breaking his teeth, or concussing in front of the net. 

 

I thought a great deal of his health was related to being partnered with Quinn  Hughes.  

Agreed that this also helps Tanev a lot. But I do recall many of Tanev’s injuries occurring while blocking shots.

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I have been rewatch some of the Comets games and in a game against the Phantoms in January, Ollie took a guy down right a way after the Phantom's player ran Mikie.  As the season progressed, I thought that he got more comfortable with the Physical part of the game.

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I still feel Juolevi 22, 6'3 will be a NHL #3 or #4 NHL D man in next 15 months.. Juolevi has had injuries the last 3 years slowing his development.

Last season he had a major knee injury only playing   GP 18 -- PTS 13  -   2019-2020 GP 45 -= PTS 25 .. Juolevi missed 13 games with knee acting up..

Juolevi is still young 22 and will develop into NHL #4 D man if he can shake injury bug..Has natural talent and will be NHL ready in 15 months..

 

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18 hours ago, austy said:

Would Olli make a canucks black aces squad? 

I'd have to think that they would go with Saunter or Chatfield first, then Rafferty/Brisebois/Joulevi.  Just based on who their call ups were this year.  Benning is probably very happy to have Joulevi train all summer in Finland in order to push for a roster spot out of camp next year.

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2 hours ago, BCNate said:

I'd have to think that they would go with Saunter or Chatfield first, then Rafferty/Brisebois/Joulevi.  Just based on who their call ups were this year.  Benning is probably very happy to have Joulevi train all summer in Finland in order to push for a roster spot out of camp next year.

Agreed. The longer Juolevi can be kept out of action, the better. He may be “recovered” to the point where he’s able to play, but he’s a long way from being 100% when it comes to overall function and performance.

 

You don’t have to be a medical expert to understand the biomechanical connections between back, hip, and knee injuries, nor do you need to be a hockey expert to see how Juolevi struggles with his mobility, especially when it comes to his pivots and the explosiveness in his first strides.

 

There’s a big mobility issue right now, and IMO (and I’m not a doctor) it’s not one that’s really going to be fixed by just playing through these issues, and putting even more strain on the parts of his body that need to recover. He needs time (and expert supervision) to properly train, rehab, and strengthen those parts of his body, and he probably needs some form of bodywork and movement analysis (and from the best people money can buy), so that he can finally get his body where it needs to be.

 

Juolevi has an NHL brain (in that he sees and understands the game at a very high level). He does not, at this point (mostly due to the injuries), have anything close to an NHL body. 

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