baumerman77 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 4 hours ago, Ossi Vaananen said: Mittelstadt is my guy, assuming we're out of the top 2. Many have Nick Suzuki as a late riser, could be a surprise top 10: I think he could be a top 10 guy (or turn into one of the top 10 guys from the draft). High hockey IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: So you project Hischier as not franchise-changing? Will he remain a center, does he have 1st-line potential? Or is the current Ehlers his ceiling? Personal prediction. he wont stay a center without putting on some major weight, he's far to light to be a producing #1 center in this league. It's much easier for small players to make it as wingers than centers. That's why Marner has only taken 37 draws this year. Giroux is the only center under 190 I can think of off the top of my head but he doesn't have to go up against, Kopitar, Getzlaf Mcdavid, Thornton on a nightly basis. I think any player that can put up 60+ point is first line potential but that doesn't mean they are franchise changing, Kessel and gaborik come to mind, good hockey players that can put up points but not someone you build a team around. I really believe that this year if we win that first or second overall we could trade down, pick up some assets and still end up with a really good player, possibly a better player than the top two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) So now that we are 2nd last in the league, still 2 games remaining, what I noticed in draft simulator is that if all 3 winners are outside the top 4, we drop to 5th overall and if Colorado wins any of the top 3 we select 4th, unless we win one of the coveted top 3 picks ourselves. Just going by Bettmans, (Murphys law), I expect the 4th pick to be ours. Woohoo! Haha but if I see Colorado win I know we at least have the 4th pick unless Vancouver gets one of the picks. Edited April 7, 2017 by Sugar baby watermelon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said: So now that we are 2nd last in the league, still 2 games remaining, what I noticed in draft simulator is that if all 3 winners are outside the top 4, we drop to 5th overall and if Colorado wins any of the top 3 we select 4th, unless we win one of the coveted top 3 picks ourselves. Just going by Bettmans, (Murphys law), I expect the 4th pick to be ours. Woohoo! Haha I just ran the simulator 15 times and the 2nd best percentage only scored the first and third pick once... lol. TB had a better outcome. This franchise is cursed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I believe some people have said that there's nobody in this year's draft that would displace any of the top 5 in last year's draft. Matthews and Laine are obvious. But I wonder if the Canucks have the top overall pick and the opportunity is there, would they trade it for either Puljujarvi or Pierre Luc Dubois? Imho, I almost think the Canucks would say 'no' to that and not just because Nico and Nolan are both Centers, but because both Puljujarvi and Dubois have lost some of their shine with their production in the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 minute ago, 70seven said: I just ran the simulator 15 times and the 2nd best percentage only scored the first and third pick once... lol. TB had a better outcome. This franchise is cursed. If I see Colorado win one of the top 3 I will be happy, if I see the Canucks win one also I will be happier, unless we take the top spot. But if we don't, I know we get the 4th pick if we see Colorado win one of the top 3 and we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 We could really use Hischier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Personal prediction. he wont stay a center without putting on some major weight, he's far to light to be a producing #1 center in this league. It's much easier for small players to make it as wingers than centers. That's why Marner has only taken 37 draws this year. Giroux is the only center under 190 I can think of off the top of my head but he doesn't have to go up against, Kopitar, Getzlaf Mcdavid, Thornton on a nightly basis. I think any player that can put up 60+ point is first line potential but that doesn't mean they are franchise changing, Kessel and gaborik come to mind, good hockey players that can put up points but not someone you build a team around. I really believe that this year if we win that first or second overall we could trade down, pick up some assets and still end up with a really good player, possibly a better player than the top two. I agree on hischier. For a skilled player who's game is really built on speed and offence, his numbers aren't really all that eye popping, especially considering he plays in the Q. He's not even on par with ehlers and certainly not drouin. I still really like Patrick though. Honestly I think he's the only potential franchise changer in this draft. Still think there's Trevor linden like upside there. I do do respect Craig buttons opinion that he sees zetterberg in hischier. That's worth noting imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Lu1ngo Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said: So now that we are 2nd last in the league, still 2 games remaining, what I noticed in draft simulator is that if all 3 winners are outside the top 4, we drop to 5th overall and if Colorado wins any of the top 3 we select 4th, unless we win one of the coveted top 3 picks ourselves. Just going by Bettmans, (Murphys law), I expect the 4th pick to be ours. Woohoo! Haha but if I see Colorado win I know we at least have the 4th pick unless Vancouver gets one of the picks. If colorado picks 1 we could still pick 2 if it were to end today Edited April 7, 2017 by Bobby_Lu1ngo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 So if Edmonton hadn't ruined the draft, we could have puljujaarvi and hischier asuming we lose back to backs to those same coilers who are stacked with talent. I hate you Edmonton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 33 minutes ago, 70seven said: I agree on hischier. For a skilled player who's game is really built on speed and offence, his numbers aren't really all that eye popping, especially considering he plays in the Q. He's not even on par with ehlers and certainly not drouin. Hischier is the only reason the Mooseheads even made the playoffs; this was supposed to be a rebuild year. Drouin had MacKinnon(1st overall pick), and Ehlers had Drouin(3rd overall pick). Hischier has Fortier (undrafted). If you watched the games you would see how many chances Hischier creates for himself and his teammates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 3 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I really believe that this year if we win that first or second overall we could trade down, pick up some assets and still end up with a really good player, possibly a better player than the top two. Just to clarify... IF the Vancouver Canucks win first overall for the first time in franchise history, 47 years of drafting, you honestly think the Canucks would even consider trading the pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 3 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Personal prediction. he wont stay a center without putting on some major weight, he's far to light to be a producing #1 center in this league. It's much easier for small players to make it as wingers than centers. That's why Marner has only taken 37 draws this year. Giroux is the only center under 190 I can think of off the top of my head but he doesn't have to go up against, Kopitar, Getzlaf Mcdavid, Thornton on a nightly basis. I think any player that can put up 60+ point is first line potential but that doesn't mean they are franchise changing, Kessel and gaborik come to mind, good hockey players that can put up points but not someone you build a team around. I really believe that this year if we win that first or second overall we could trade down, pick up some assets and still end up with a really good player, possibly a better player than the top two. He was listed as 178lbs during top prospects game so only needs to add 12 lbs to get to 190. David Krecji plays at 186, Henrik Sedin is under 190 (183-188 depending on where you look), Kyle Turris is at 190. I think he'll get to 185-195 range in a couple years. Having said that, I do agree that trading down would be best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, funkyfresh said: He was listed as 178lbs during top prospects game so only needs to add 12 lbs to get to 190. David Krecji plays at 186, Henrik Sedin is under 190 (183-188 depending on where you look), Kyle Turris is at 190. I think he'll get to 185-195 range in a couple years. Having said that, I do agree that trading down would be best option. For what exactly? Or even roughly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 20 minutes ago, HomeBrew said: Just to clarify... IF the Vancouver Canucks win first overall for the first time in franchise history, 47 years of drafting, you honestly think the Canucks would even consider trading the pick? I don't want to speak for other people, but it's obvious what he's trying to say. He's not saying what he thinks the Canucks would do with the pick but rather what he thinks they should do (or what he would do in that situation). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Just now, funkyfresh said: I don't want to speak for other people, but it's obvious what he's trying to say. He's not saying what he thinks the Canucks would do with the pick but rather what he thinks they should do (or what he would do in that situation). Well this isn't NHL 17, so what he would do in that regard doesn't matter all that much. There is no chance that the Canucks trade down if they are awarded 1st overall. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 April 29th is the date of the Draft Lottery, from Seravalli: http://www.tsn.ca/talent/addition-of-golden-knights-curbs-appeal-of-tanking-1.695461 Man, I don't want to get too hopeful, but I'm having some faith in landing in the top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Just now, HomeBrew said: Well this isn't NHL 17, so what he would do in that regard doesn't matter all that much. There is no chance that the Canucks trade down if they are awarded 1st overall. None. No one is going to disagree with that statement but this is a discussion forum and he's telling us what he thinks is best option for the team. You can be an arse and state the obvious or let him discuss his opinion with others who are interested in that specific alternative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) Sportsnet Top 4 after we lost tonight vs the Yotes: Patrick Hischier Liljegren Tippett not that I agree with their rankings but it's not a bad list considering they have far more reporters and analysts who scout the players far more than we do. Top 2 is still my top 2 and what I agree with. We're in position to pick Hischier who is a franchise changing player and a game changer every time he is out on the ice. Patrick is your more traditional top pick. Nothing flashy but a great playmaker, solid 2 way game, good 200' game, provides leadership, and a player you can put on the ice like Hischier when you need a clutch game tying/game winning goal. Now Liljegren and Tippett round off the list but it can easily be interchangeable considering team needs, prospect being similar or has just as much upside as either one of the two. I would have Vilardi, Middlestadt possibly in the mix in the top 4 along with Makar, Pettersson but no matter what, we will end up with a good player. If we manage to hang on to 2, Hischier is our man and we basically hit gold picking him with Avs, Vegas, Yotes possibly picking up Patrick. His WJCs performance sold me and he's just so shifty with the puck and sees the ice really well. His defensive game could use some work but having some defensive players in our team will help cover up him up if he doesn't manage to come back into our own zone fast enough. Really hope we have some luck by our side and win the lotto and if not, finishing runner up wouldn't be shabby either Edited April 7, 2017 by Beary Sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, funkyfresh said: No one is going to disagree with that statement but this is a discussion forum and he's telling us what he thinks is best option for the team. You can be an arse and state the obvious or let him discuss his opinion with others who are interested in that specific alternative. Ahaha Alright bud. Sounds like a topic more suited for the proposal / armchair GM section honestly. Otherwise, what is the point of wasting room in this discussion on something that won't ever happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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