flickyoursedin Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The perfect draft would be Liljegren with our pick in the top 5 if Patrick and Hischier are gone and then trade Tanev and the SJ 1rst to Buffalo for their pick around 10th overall (value is probably way off) and take Elias Pettersson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I loved that Jim mentioned picking a true PP QB in his interview today. Really the only thing lacking from our blue line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Wonder if this at all changes what he will target if he's still looking to move a D-man for a forward. As he mentioned, they now have Boeser, Virtanen, Dahlen, and Goldobin projected as scoring wingers and the need now is to get them a playmaking centre. That would likely be more costly in trade than a scoring winger, requiring the ante of a Tanev or more. May come down to where we end up in the lotto and how he projects his expected pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 2 hours ago, TheHockeyNerds said: Matt Sekeres is twisting words again ^^ I listened to the 1040 audio clip and it said true PP defensemen. If anything JB telegraphed who he is looking at. Besides the obvious 1 in Nolan Patrick and Nico Hischier, he is looking at Elias Pettersson, Gabe Vilardi, Casey Mittlestadt as the playmaking centres, and Tim Liljegren and Cale Makar as the puck moving PP specialists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Wonder if this at all changes what he will target if he's still looking to move a D-man for a forward. As he mentioned, they now have Boeser, Virtanen, Dahlen, and Goldobin projected as scoring wingers and the need now is to get them a playmaking centre. That would likely be more costly in trade than a scoring winger, requiring the ante of a Tanev or more. May come down to where we end up in the lotto and how he projects his expected pick. For sure... as it stands we have about 3 10% rolls of the dice to land a Patrick/Nico/Villardi(or whoever you like as the best of the rest). I'd say with the top 2 at least the screaming need for a top6 Centerman is very much reduced. Also, as much as we're in a hurry, I think Tanev has a lot of value in house for at least one more season to steady the defence... the young guys have promise but they're still in over their heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: If anything JB telegraphed who he is looking at. Besides the obvious 1 in Nolan Patrick and Nico Hischier, he is looking at Elias Pettersson, Gabe Vilardi, Casey Mittlestadt as the playmaking centres, and Tim Liljegren and Cale Makar as the puck moving PP specialists. Might be easier to list who he ISN'T looking at 11 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: Also, as much as we're in a hurry, I think Tanev has a lot of value in house for at least one more season to steady the defence... the young guys have promise but they're still in over their heads. He wanted a scoring winger back last summer, but besides that is the matter of Tanev's NTC kicking in shortly. Edler probably wouldn't return the same value, although I think by now he's quite resigned to the fact he won't be around much longer and will waive for the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 23 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: Also, as much as we're in a hurry, I think Tanev has a lot of value in house for at least one more season to steady the defence... the young guys have promise but they're still in over their heads. But that NTC...those injuries... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Might be easier to list who he ISN'T looking at He wanted a scoring winger back last summer, but besides that is the matter of Tanev's NTC kicking in shortly. Edler probably wouldn't return the same value, although I think by now he's quite resigned to the fact he won't be around much longer and will waive for the right place. The NTC does add some gravitas to the situation, I agree. I won't complain if he deals Tanev for a young centerman. That said, his modified NTC says "list 8 teams to which he CANNOT be traded" source: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/christopher-tanev that leaves jimbo with a lot of wiggle room! Edited March 16, 2017 by ilduce39 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 7 hours ago, TGokou said: I'm not sold on Vilardi. Sure he is a hard worker and he has great advanced stats according to the articles but his actual production leaves a lot to be desired. For a big man you would expect his production to be far higher. The fact he is already working his butt off and hasn't produced at a higher level imo limits his ceiling. If your looking for a good third liner then I'm sure Vilardi fits the bill. I'm just not sure he will amount to more than that. As for Liljegren that article has a lot of good points. Everyone makes mistakes so I hope they are not nitpicking but if his decision making is as bad as they say, I feel that for a defenseman, that is the hardest thing to improve because it will only get harder for him as he moves up the ranks and he may lose confidence or receive less playing time before he has time to improve those thought processes. I say pass on him. He is producing at pretty much 1.5 points per game, just as high as any other prospect in this draft and he is one of the youngest players in the draft. He is likely a top 2 center in the NHL given his size and determination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftynifty Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: He is producing at pretty much 1.5 points per game, just as high as any other prospect in this draft and he is one of the youngest players in the draft. He is likely a top 2 center in the NHL given his size and determination. Around 1.3 points per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Shiftynifty said: Around 1.3 points per game. That's not terrible, seeing as almost half of his points are goals and he is not playing as their number one center. Hischier is putting up 1.55pts/gm in the Q and Nolan Patrick is puting up 1.4pts/gm. Other than Hischier no CHL player eligible for this draft is putting up 1.5pts/gm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blömqvist Posted March 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2017 11 hours ago, Odd. said: Cal Foote has as many points but 11 more games played. Foote and Valimaki are way better than Liljegren IMO. Foote would be ideal because he's a right handed shot and he's 6'4 215lbs at 18 years old! He also plays with Kelowna and with they history they have with developing some good defensemans, he could be a really solid player. I'd say Foote is in the NHL next year. 9 hours ago, Warhippy said: I see Foote two, three times a month. Him and his brother have all the potential to be better NHL players than their dad ever was. Cal is such a solid blue liner and his brother Nolan is going top 10 of the draft in 18/19 I'd draft him without question if he was in our range I can imagine that... draft one Foote now, the other Foote later, and then in a few years we'll have... Feet. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHockeyNerds Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 12 hours ago, TGokou said: I'm not sold on Vilardi. Sure he is a hard worker and he has great advanced stats according to the articles but his actual production leaves a lot to be desired. For a big man you would expect his production to be far higher. The fact he is already working his butt off and hasn't produced at a higher level imo limits his ceiling. If your looking for a good third liner then I'm sure Vilardi fits the bill. I'm just not sure he will amount to more than that. As for Liljegren that article has a lot of good points. Everyone makes mistakes so I hope they are not nitpicking but if his decision making is as bad as they say, I feel that for a defenseman, that is the hardest thing to improve because it will only get harder for him as he moves up the ranks and he may lose confidence or receive less playing time before he has time to improve those thought processes. I say pass on him. If Vilardi played a full ohl regular season he would have hit around 90 points. Again this is why scouts are saying it's a sub par draft. Guys like Vilardi, mittlestadt are great prospects but for top 5 guys, have question marks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHockeyNerds Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Is worth mentioning as some have already stated, vilardi was about 4 weeks out from being eligible for next years draft. Very raw potential. His high end ceiling reminds me of MS from the Jets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHockeyNerds Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 If you've watched any highlights on Casey mittlestadt, it's clear he probably has the most overall skill in the draft. Crazy hands and fantastic playmaking ability 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Inside Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 11 hours ago, Warhippy said: I see Foote two, three times a month. Him and his brother have all the potential to be better NHL players than their dad ever was. Cal is such a solid blue liner and his brother Nolan is going top 10 of the draft in 18/19 I'd draft him without question if he was in our range I watch Rockets game alot too and totally agree with your points. I'm actually extremely excited about Nolan... his shot is pretty lethal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftynifty Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said: That's not terrible, seeing as almost half of his points are goals and he is not playing as their number one center. Hischier is putting up 1.55pts/gm in the Q and Nolan Patrick is puting up 1.4pts/gm. Other than Hischier no CHL player eligible for this draft is putting up 1.5pts/gm. Yes, it is actually pretty good. Seems like high-IQ guy from highlights too. I hope we can pick up Vilardi if Nolan/Nico are out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 13 hours ago, TheHockeyNerds said: in terms of offensive dmans we are looking Liljegeren or Makar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 16 hours ago, ilduce39 said: The NTC does add some gravitas to the situation, I agree. I won't complain if he deals Tanev for a young centerman. That said, his modified NTC says "list 8 teams to which he CANNOT be traded" source: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/christopher-tanev that leaves jimbo with a lot of wiggle room! Tanev is a great asset for the team, whether we trade him for a great return (it would have to be) or keep him for a number of years. He is such a smart player, he should be able to have a long career. Honestly Edler is the guy to move IMO. He has been very inconsistent, has some bad injury history and is making more than any other d man. He is on the decline. My vote (like I have one) is to keep Sbisa over Edler at the expansion draft. Sbisa will never equal Edler in his prime, but is on pace to eclipse him at present. Added to that, Sbisa has shown steady improvement, costs less, plays right and left and has a lot more years to give. If JB can move Edler, great, if not expose him. If Tanev gets traded, it needs to be for a huge return. My two cents. EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 6 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: in terms of offensive dmans we are looking Liljegeren or Makar. Makar looks more dynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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