Alflives Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, dpn1 said: Marcus Naslund retired with 1 year left on his contract in NY. He score 25 goals in his last season with NY and was not being sent to the "A" for the final year of his contract. I remember that Glenn Sather wanted him to stay for the final year but he chose to retire and play a season for MODO with Peter Forsberg. That’s the public comment. No Swedish born player (once a star, and with millions) will allow their reputation to be tarnished by even being placed on waivers fir the purpose of assignment to the minors. They retire before that even happens, and then the public propaganda follows. The same scenario will play out with Loui. Matts Sundin retired with 10 million left on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: That’s the public comment. No Swedish born player (once a star, and with millions) will allow their reputation to be tarnished by even being placed on waivers fir the purpose of assignment to the minors. They retire before that even happens, and then the public propaganda follows. The same scenario will play out with Loui. Matts Sundin retired with 10 million left on the table. Man, this is a bit pessimistic don't you think? How does MN go from a 25 goal scorer one year and the next he is supposedly going to the AHL? I can't see it. Naslund isn't the best example Normally we see eye to eye but on this one we will have to just agree to disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 9 hours ago, dpn1 said: I can't be 100% but I think you maybe wrong on this. I do believe other players have done this in the past forcing the team to try and find a trade or he just sits and collects his money. I don't know the details of the CBA and maybe wrong but maybe someone who knows more could comment. If they send Loui to Utica he goes or he breaches his contract at which point the team can take action in accordance with contract law. I believe one remedy would be to dissolve it for breach. I am almost certain Alf is correct on this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Thanks for the clarity. The CBA is a huge document and not always real clear if you don't have a mind for those kind of topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 18 hours ago, Alflives said: That’s the public comment. No Swedish born player (once a star, and with millions) will allow their reputation to be tarnished by even being placed on waivers fir the purpose of assignment to the minors. They retire before that even happens, and then the public propaganda follows. The same scenario will play out with Loui. Matts Sundin retired with 10 million left on the table. Well, with all the $&!# that already hit the fan Loui got nothing to loose in reputation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Timråfan said: Well, with all the $&!# that already hit the fan Loui got nothing to loose in reputation. OK, his rep is garbage. How's his self-respect/professional pride these days? How can he continue to show up for work, produce absolutely nothing, then accept payment as if he's an 'elite' athlete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 58 minutes ago, Fanuck said: OK, his rep is garbage. How's his self-respect/professional pride these days? How can he continue to show up for work, produce absolutely nothing, then accept payment as if he's an 'elite' athlete? The contract reflects the value over time so Loui can't. Luongo etc had very long contract. Do you think it was Luongos fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 On 7/25/2019 at 5:59 AM, Alflives said: Loui can’t refuse to go to Utica. If he refuses assignment, that’s grounds to terminate his contract. He reports, or he’s done. He will retire before any of that happens. On 7/25/2019 at 6:11 AM, dpn1 said: I can't be 100% but I think you maybe wrong on this. I do believe other players have done this in the past forcing the team to try and find a trade or he just sits and collects his money. I don't know the details of the CBA and maybe wrong but maybe someone who knows more could comment. If a player refuses to report his contract remains in place and typically the team simply suspends them without pay until they do report. This doesn't restrict the team in any way as far as trading the player is concerned. https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/14613590/tampa-bay-lightning-suspend-jonathan-drouin-refusing-report-ahl-game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, Baggins said: If a player refuses to report his contract remains in place and typically the team simply suspends them without pay until they do report. This doesn't restrict the team in any way as far as trading the player is concerned. https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/14613590/tampa-bay-lightning-suspend-jonathan-drouin-refusing-report-ahl-game Drouin hD grade value, so terminating the contract would have lost Tbay a valuable asset. Loui, has no value. Terminating his contract is certainly what the Canucks would do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 On 7/25/2019 at 8:11 AM, dpn1 said: I can't be 100% but I think you maybe wrong on this. I do believe other players have done this in the past forcing the team to try and find a trade or he just sits and collects his money. I don't know the details of the CBA and maybe wrong but maybe someone who knows more could comment. If I recall correctly; the team has the option of suspending the player without pay until such time as he lives up to the terms of the contract. In Loui's case, he no longer has a NMC so if the were to try to send him to Utica he would first have to clear waivers. If that happens and it most likely would; he would have two options IMO; he could decide to retire or hold out in the hopes the team reconsiders. Not to sure how his being under suspension would affect the Cap though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: If I recall correctly; the team has the option of suspending the player without pay until such time as he lives up to the terms of the contract. In Loui's case, he no longer has a NMC so if the were to try to send him to Utica he would first have to clear waivers. If that happens and it most likely would; he would have two options IMO; he could decide to retire or hold out in the hopes the team reconsiders. Not to sure how his being under suspension would affect the Cap though. Why would the Canucks suspend him, when they could terminate his contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 On 7/26/2019 at 5:15 AM, Timråfan said: The contract reflects the value over time so Loui can't. Luongo etc had very long contract. Do you think it was Luongos fault? He is one half of the contract, it’s one half his fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, Alflives said: Why would the Canucks suspend him, when they could terminate his contract? I'm not sure if they can terminate him Alf. I tried looking up any previous suspensions / terminations online but did not find anything that fit his circumstances. Likely the best that they could do would be to demote him to the AHL and if he refuses they suspend him. The NHL Rules and regulations are very vague on reasons for termination. Some sections of interest though are: Article 11.10 .... No renegotiation of existing contract other than by extension; Article13.21.... Unconditional waivers for terminating a SPC; Articles 50.10 (c) and 50.11 (c) players who are suspended and termination amount. The last two might apply but I can't think of one case where they have been used in a manner that applies to Loui. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 57 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said: He is one half of the contract, it’s one half his fault. Ok If it's half his problem, where are the thousands negative posts about Benning regarding the contract? It's really skewed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 16 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: I'm not sure if they can terminate him Alf. I tried looking up any previous suspensions / terminations online but did not find anything that fit his circumstances. Likely the best that they could do would be to demote him to the AHL and if he refuses they suspend him. The NHL Rules and regulations are very vague on reasons for termination. Some sections of interest though are: Article 11.10 .... No renegotiation of existing contract other than by extension; Article13.21.... Unconditional waivers for terminating a SPC; Articles 50.10 (c) and 50.11 (c) players who are suspended and termination amount. The last two might apply but I can't think of one case where they have been used in a manner that applies to Loui. If Loui refuses to perform the duties necessary to fulfil his contract, then the Canucks will start the process of termination. It will not get to this stage though. Loui will retire before the Canucks put him on waivers. No Swedish born (once top) player will play in the AHL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 51 minutes ago, Alflives said: If Loui refuses to perform the duties necessary to fulfil his contract, then the Canucks will start the process of termination. It will not get to this stage though. Loui will retire before the Canucks put him on waivers. No Swedish born (once top) player will play in the AHL. Well I hope you are right about him retiring as that would probably be the best case scenario for the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Alflives said: If Loui refuses to perform the duties necessary to fulfil his contract, then the Canucks will start the process of termination. It will not get to this stage though. Loui will retire before the Canucks put him on waivers. No Swedish born (once top) player will play in the AHL. I'd like to believe the bolded. But no way he just walks away from 9 million dollars. I would love it. But just won't happen. Better chance, by far, of JB trading him (hopefully without getting burned too bad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 6:59 PM, dpn1 said: Heard an interview on 1040 today and the discussed a possible trade for LE. To the Ducks L.E., Goldie To the Canucks Ryan Kessler (LTIR) and the Canucks retain $2.5mil of LE's salary for 3 years. What do you think? How does that make any sense for us? - Kesler has an almost $1mil higher cap hit - Eriksson owed $9mil in actual money, Kesler owed $20mil - Eriksson is still playing, Kesler may never play again - PLUS we retain on Eriksson? - PLUS we throw in Goldie? If anyone is sweetening this deal it's Anaheim. Don't think we're even close enough to being capped-out to effectively use the LTIR. Dayal's out to lunch on this one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said: I'm not sure if they can terminate him Alf. I tried looking up any previous suspensions / terminations online but did not find anything that fit his circumstances. Likely the best that they could do would be to demote him to the AHL and if he refuses they suspend him. The NHL Rules and regulations are very vague on reasons for termination. Some sections of interest though are: Article 11.10 .... No renegotiation of existing contract other than by extension; Article13.21.... Unconditional waivers for terminating a SPC; Articles 50.10 (c) and 50.11 (c) players who are suspended and termination amount. The last two might apply but I can't think of one case where they have been used in a manner that applies to Loui. The only ones I recall is the player cleared waivers and refused to report to the AHL and the contract was terminated by mutual agreement. The only contracts I recall a team terminating a player contract without mutual consent have involved a major breach of conduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Baggins said: The only ones I recall is the player cleared waivers and refused to report to the AHL and the contract was terminated by mutual agreement. The only contracts I recall a team terminating a player contract without mutual consent have involved a major breach of conduct. That is pretty much what I came up with as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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